"The Origin of Specious Nonsense"

robindch

J C wrote: »

The rest is up to you ... and Jesus Christ

He's dead. Get over it.

liamw

robindch wrote: »

He's dead. Get over it.

No he's not, I asked Jesus to blow a lightbulb, and low and behold a few days later the bulb blew.

robindch

liamw wrote: »

I asked Jesus to blow a lightbulb [...]

Lightbulb porn? Heard it all now.

himnextdoor

J C wrote: »

It was 'The Fall' ... many people seem to genuinely believe the big myth that they are glorified 'pondkind' ... with nothing added but billions of years ... and billions of mistakes!!!:)

One of the main problems that I have with your position is demonstrated thusly:

Suppose that evolutionary-science achieved the technology to be able to assemble simple organisms, atom by atom, molecule by molecule, building an exact copy of a living example which is unintrusively scanned for data describing its structures.

Now suppose that no matter how accurately they built these organisms, let's assume that we are talking of a simple unicellular life-form, they were all always dead.

The technology becomes more and more refined, the 'synthesised' copies become more and more accurate but the results never change; the replicated copies of living cells are always, without exception, lifeless.

Under these circumstances it might be reasonable to conclude that there is a missing unknown ingredient which the replicators cannot take into account but which is vital to the process of life. Experiment would have shown that there is more to life than the chemicals of which it is composed and this might be regarded as evidence in support of a supernatural force.

I think that this situation represents a 'best case scenario', a scientific cul-de-sac, that appears to support Intelligent Design whilst undermining Evolutionism.

The thing is though, since the knowledge was gained by Evolutionists, then it is they who will have the first opportunity to present their findings (in a fair world) and it is they, evolutionary-science) who can capitolise on that. They could claim that they are on the verge of discovering God and apply for huge research grants and that they have traced life's origin to a 'singularity' and science would set off on a voyage into the supernatural realm.

Science would have led the way to a new age of enlightenment; surely the corrupt administrators of modern science could profit from this. Wouldn't science then appeal to the religiously disposed people and thence reduce the income of the church whilst making science richer?

It is not in the interest of religion to prove God. Religion is payed to keep reassuring us that God does exist and if God was proven to exist then religion would be redundant. Whereas science has nothing to lose by proving the existence of God but gains a new area of research.

So, prove that God exists; science wins, religion loses and prove that God does not exist; science wins, religion loses.

Evolutionism is right; science wins, religion loses. Evolutionism is wrong; science wins, religion lives to fight another day.

J C, science is not on the defensive here, religion is running scared; science cannot lose and the best that religion can hope for is the benefit of the doubt in only one scenario: They need Evolutionism to be wrong. Desperately.

The origin of life is religion's last stand.

Turtwig

This thread almost went a month without posting, we were so close.

sponsoredwalk

Thinking back on all the essay's I wrote JC in this thread & how useless
it was because of how selective the answers I received were I think I am
in a position to judge that this:

himnextdoor wrote: »

Under these circumstances it might be reasonable to conclude that there is a missing unknown ingredient which the replicators cannot take into account but which is vital to the process of life. Experiment wouldhave shown that there is more to life than the chemicals of which it is composed and this might be regarded as evidence in support of a supernatural force.

I think that this situation represents a 'best case scenario', a scientific cul-de-sac, that appears to support Intelligent Design whilst undermining Evolutionism.

The thing is though, since the knowledge was gained by Evolutionists, then it is they who will have the first opportunity to present their findings (in a fair world) and it is they, evolutionary-science) who can capitolise on that. They could claim that they are on the verge of discovering God and apply for huge research grants and that they have traced life's origin to a 'singularity' and science would set off on a voyageinto the supernatural realm.

Science would have led the way to a new age of enlightenment; surely the corrupt administrators of modern science could profit from this. Wouldn't science then appeal to the religiously disposed people and thence reduce the income of the church whilst making science richer?

It is not in the interest of religion to prove God. Religion is payed to keep reassuring us that God does exist and if God was proven to exist then religion would be redundant. Whereas science has nothing to lose by proving the existence of God but gains a new area of research.

So, prove that God exists; science wins, religion loses and prove that God does not exist; science wins, religion loses.

Evolutionism is right; science wins, religion loses. Evolutionism is wrong; science wins, religion lives to fight another day.

J C, science is not on the defensive here,religion is running scared; science cannot lose and the best that religion can hope for is the benefit of the doubt in only one scenario: They needEvolutionism to be wrong. Desperately.

The origin of life is religion's last stand.

is all he's likely going to take in from that post

himnextdoor

sponsoredwalk wrote: »

Thinking back on all the essay's I wrote JC in this thread & how useless
it was because of how selective the answers I received were I think I am
in a position to judge that this:



is all he's likely going to take in from that post

Brilliant. LMAO.

J C

robindch wrote: »

He's dead. Get over it.

Jesus is alive and He loves you!!!

AhSureTisGrand

Why did Jesus cross he road?

Because he was nailed to the chicken lololol

Stercus Accidit

The funny thing is Jesus was a carpenter and was killed with wood and nails.

dlofnep

J C wrote: »

Jesus is alive and He loves you!!!

He's dead, and therefore incapable of expressing emotion. I'm not sure if you understand the permanent nature of death.

Robert ninja

J C wrote: »

Jesus is alive and He loves you!!!

J C

himnextdoor wrote: »

One of the main problems that I have with your position is demonstrated thusly:

Suppose that evolutionary-science achieved the technology to be able to assemble simple organisms, atom by atom, molecule by molecule, building an exact copy of a living example which is unintrusively scanned for data describing its structures.
dream on ... it's impossible ... and will never happen!!!

Now suppose that no matter how accurately they built these organisms, let's assume that we are talking of a simple unicellular life-form, they were all always dead.

The technology becomes more and more refined, the 'synthesised' copies become more and more accurate but the results never change; the replicated copies of living cells are always, without exception, lifeless.
dream on ... this is also impossible ... and it will never happen!!!

Under these circumstances it might be reasonable to conclude that there is a missing unknown ingredient which the replicators cannot take into account but which is vital to the process of life. Experiment would have shown that there is more to life than the chemicals of which it is composed and this might be regarded as evidence in support of a supernatural force.

I think that this situation represents a 'best case scenario', a scientific cul-de-sac, that appears to support Intelligent Design whilst undermining Evolutionism.
It would actually be a best case for materialism ... and would be a dream come true for Atheists ... at present they have to content themselves with endless stories and speculations about the mythical powers of millions of (nonexistent) years and cumulative mistakes to turn muck into man!!!


The thing is though, since the knowledge was gained by Evolutionists, then it is they who will have the first opportunity to present their findings (in a fair world) and it is they, evolutionary-science) who can capitolise on that. They could claim that they are on the verge of discovering God and apply for huge research grants and that they have traced life's origin to a 'singularity' and science would set off on a voyage into the supernatural realm.

Science would have led the way to a new age of enlightenment; surely the corrupt administrators of modern science could profit from this. Wouldn't science then appeal to the religiously disposed people and thence reduce the income of the church whilst making science richer?
Practically all 'administrators of modern science' are honourable people ... they are simply mistaken in their belief that they are a 'monkeys cousin'.:)

It is not in the interest of religion to prove God. Religion is payed to keep reassuring us that God does exist and if God was proven to exist then religion would be redundant. Whereas science has nothing to lose by proving the existence of God but gains a new area of research.
It all depends which religion you are talking about ... for example the basis of the religion of Atheistic Humanism is the belief that God doesn't exist ... and the basis of Christianity is that He does exist.
Scientifically proving that God exists therefore completely undermines the religion of Atheistic Humanism ... and validates the Christian Faith!!!

So, prove that God exists; science wins, religion loses and prove that God does not exist; science wins, religion loses.
If you prove that God exists; Creation science wins, Atheistic Humanism religion loses and if you prove that God does not exist; Materialistic science wins and Christianity loses

Evolutionism is right; science wins, religion loses. Evolutionism is wrong; science wins, religion lives to fight another day.

J C, science is not on the defensive here, religion is running scared; science cannot lose and the best that religion can hope for is the benefit of the doubt in only one scenario: They need Evolutionism to be wrong. Desperately.

The origin of life is religion's last stand.

I genuinely find that it is Atheism that is running scared ... from both Creation Science and God!!!:)

J C

dlofnep wrote: »

He's dead, and therefore incapable of expressing emotion. I'm not sure if you understand the permanent nature of death.

... strong words from somebody who believes that dead chemicals spontaneously burst into life ... with nothing added but (massive amounts of) time and the fertile imaginations of Materialists !!!!:D

Turtwig

J C wrote: »

... strong words from somebody who believes that dead chemicals spontaneously burst into life ... with nothing added but (massive amounts of) time and the fertile imaginations of Materialists !!!!:D

Can you define what exactly a dead chemical is?

himnextdoor

J C wrote: »

I genuinely find that it is Atheism that is running scared ... from both Creation Science and God!!!:)

How very unscientific of you; how does proving the existence of God invalidate Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism?

If God were proven to exist, all the Christian leaderships would be quaking in their boots knowing that they were in big trouble for breaking the first commandment and then indoctrinating a third of humanity to do the same.

In fact, when the sixth trumpet is blown after the seventh seal is opened, it is writted that a third of mankind will be destroyed. Shouldn't Christians be nervous now in the same way that turkies should be nervous at the beginning of December?

J C

himnextdoor wrote: »

If God were proven to exist, all the Christian leaderships would be quaking in their boots knowing that they were in big trouble for breaking the first commandment and then indoctrinating a third of humanity to do the same.

You could have a point here ... but only if they were heretics/weren't Saved themselves.

himnextdoor wrote: »

In fact, when the sixth trumpet is blown after the seventh seal is opened, it is writted that a third of mankind will be destroyed. Shouldn't Christians be nervous now in the same way that turkies should be nervous at the beginning of December?

The people destroyed in the Seal Judgements will not be Christians ... these will be judgements of God on those who have rejected Him.

himnextdoor

J C wrote: »

You could have a point here ... but only if they were heretics/weren't Saved themselves.

The people destroyed in the Seal Judgements will not be Christians ... these will be judgements of God on those who have rejected Him.

The lizard people from planet Nibiru will be delighted when they see all the Christians clamoring to get into their cargo holds.

Honestly J C, I think you are going to be very disappointed when you meet your maker.

J C

himnextdoor wrote: »

The lizard people from planet Nibiru ...

Is that where they told you they're from???:)

They're lying to you!!!

himnextdoor wrote: »

Honestly J C, I think you are going to be very disappointed when you meet your maker.

I don't know about you ... but there certainly will be no disappointment for me.
1 Corinthians 2:9 (King James Version)

But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

J C

himnextdoor wrote: »

The lizard people from planet Nibiru will be delighted when they see all the Christians clamoring to get into their cargo holds.

I know that they exist ... but it is the 'lizard people' who will be doing all the clamoring.:)

Zombrex

How is not being a Christian going JC?

himnextdoor

J C wrote: »

... strong words from somebody who believes that dead chemicals spontaneously burst into life ... with nothing added but (massive amounts of) time and the fertile imaginations of Materialists !!!!:D

Check out this article on The Spontaneous Production of the Meccano of Life. :cool:

Zombrex

himnextdoor wrote: »

Check out this article on The Spontaneous Production of the Meccano of Life. :cool:

I'm going to go out on a limb and say he won't check that out

himnextdoor

Wicknight wrote: »

I'm going to go out on a limb and say he won't check that out

He'll have to; I think it's 4-0 now.

robindch

himnextdoor wrote: »

He'll have to; I think it's 4-0 now.

Four-nil? Four-nil?

Have you not see the years-long drubbing that JC's been receiving in The Beast over the fence?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=316566

J C

himnextdoor wrote: »

Check out this article on The Spontaneous Production of the Meccano of Life. :cool:

Miller used the wrong conditions (no oxygen) and the wrong simulation (artificially capturing the products) and got the wrong result (mostly tars) ... please educate yourself here ... I give you the great Dr Jonathan Wells:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpIPHkh1OvE

J C

robindch wrote: »

Four-nil? Four-nil?

Have you not see the years-long drubbing that JC's been receiving in The Beast over the fence?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=316566

You mean the thread where over 100 evolutionists presented their best evidence for their defunct theory ... and I, step by step and point by point, showed them just how wrong and illogical they were.

It got so bad that even the Theistic Evolutionists couldn't take it any more ... and banned me from posting for a period of time, as they tried to regain their composure ... in a vain attempt to convince themselves that the Atheists are right about the Evolution of life!!!:eek:

... similarly on this forum, you have confined me to this thread to stop me destroying the entire gamut of materialism on this forum, by the sheer force and logic of my arguments ... thereby destroying any pretensions by the so-called 'skeptics' to being 'open-minded'.

... so materialism only retains any credibility on this forum by gagging me ... and on the other forum it has lost all credibility!!!:)

Isn't it amazing what one person indwelt by the Holy Spirit can do ... but such is the power of our Almighty God!!!

strobe

J C wrote: »

You mean the thread where over 100 evolutionists presented their best evidence for their defunct theory ... and I, step by step and point by point, showed them just how wrong and illogical they were.

It got so bad that even the Theistic Evolutionists couldn't take it any more ... and banned me from posting for a period of time, as they tried to regain their composure ... in a vain attempt to convince themselves that the Atheists are right about the Evolution of life!!!:eek:

... similarly on this forum, you have confined me to this thread to stop me destroying the entire gamut of materialism on this forum, by the sheer force and logic of my arguments ... thereby destroying any pretensions by the so-called 'skeptics' to being 'open-minded'.

... so materialism only retains any credibility on this forum by gagging me ... and on the other forum it has lost all credibility!!!:)

Isn't it amazing what one person indwelt by the Holy Spirit can do ... but such is the power of our Almighty God!!!

Sh1t... no one ever put it like that before...

I need to go away and think about this. It's all a lie, I think.

The lamp is a lie is a lie.

Thank you JC, you have given me a lot to think about man.

J C

strobe wrote: »

Sh1t... no one ever put it like that before...

I need to go away and think about this. It's all a lie, I think.

The lamp is a lie is a lie.

Thank you JC, you have given me a lot to think about man.

Good to see somebody using their God-given brain to think.:)

Now it's your turn, to follow Strobe ... Robin ... and start thinking about the really important things in life ... like your relationship with your Creator!!!:D

AhSureTisGrand

JC I just scanned through all your posts. In the 6 years since you joined Boards, I could find only one post from you that did not concern evolution/creationism. Couldn't even find any other Christian stuff. Do you actually believe in God or is this just one of the longest-running trolls ever?