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"The Origin of Specious Nonsense"
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Meeting? I said "first hand experience", amongst which I count dealing with your excellent self over the last six/seven years, various friends, several creationist outlets + conferences I've visited, various churches, many videos, vast amounts of reading. In fact, I would imagine that I'm significantly better informed about the creationist movement and how it works than you are.your experience of meeting Creationists has to be very limited indeed
As I said before, the "attacks" are neither unfounded, nor are they generalizations. They are highly specific comments, each one backed up with evidence that a child could understand, and each one directed not at an amorphous group, but specifically at the clowns who run creationism world wide.unfounded attacks and generalisations in relation to the personal integrity of any religious group is just old-fashioned bigotry!!!
BTW, lest you forget, Harun Yahya (the turkish creationist) has been jailed at least once, and possible more than that, for corruption and multiple threats of physical violence. Kent Hovind ("Dr Dino") has been jailed for massive tax fraud as well as maintaining an armoury of illegally-held weapons including a semi-automatic rifle. And a few years back, you may remember when (diploma-mill-doctor) Ham was embroiled in a hilarious bust-up with his then-colleagues in Australia, a bust-up that went embarassingly public with accusations of fraud, theft, witchcraft, heresy and -- my favourite allegation -- necrophilia!
Charming people, I'm sure you agree
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... so just because a few Evolutionists refuse to pay tax or have a dispute with another Evolutionist means that we should ban the teaching of Evolution in schools and sack any Evolutionist that we can identify???Meeting? I said "first hand experience", amongst which I count dealing with your excellent self over the last six/seven years, various friends, several creationist outlets + conferences I've visited, various churches, many videos, vast amounts of reading. In fact, I would imagine that I'm significantly better informed about the creationist movement and how it works than you are.As I said before, the "attacks" are neither unfounded, nor are they generalizations. They are highly specific comments, each one backed up with evidence that a child could understand, and each one directed not at an amorphous group, but specifically at the clowns who run creationism world wide.
BTW, lest you forget, Harun Yahya (the turkish creationist) has been jailed at least once, and possible more than that, for corruption and multiple threats of physical violence. Kent Hovind ("Dr Dino") has been jailed for massive tax fraud as well as maintaining an armoury of illegally-held weapons including a semi-automatic rifle. And a few years back, you may remember when (diploma-mill-doctor) Ham was embroiled in a hilarious bust-up with his then-colleagues in Australia, a bust-up that went embarassingly public with accusations of fraud, theft, witchcraft, heresy and -- my favourite allegation -- necrophilia!
Charming people, I'm sure you agree
... pull the other one, Robin ... and stop behaving like a bigot ... and extend the hand of friendship and respect to people of all faiths and none ... just like I do!!!!0 -
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...and that's why I haven't done it. Haven't you read or remembered any of the many posts above in which I explicitly distinguished between the dishonest thugs at the top of the creationist food chain, and the gullible and uninformed at the bottom?The point that I am making is that labelling all members of any faith community with the sins of the few is clearly wrong ...
It's a weird "hand of friendship and respect" that refers to another poster as a bigot[...] and the 'stock in trade' of every bigot down the years!!!! and extend the hand of friendship and respect to people of all faiths and none ... just like I do!!! 0 -
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I don't think it matters how many time you say it... la la la la la la I can't hear you
...Yes, it doesn't matter how many time you say it.... CSFI is a mathematical impossibility...
Seriously though, why would an 'Intelligent Designer' choose such fragile materials with which to construct life?
He could have made it so that humans could be super-human. Why didn't He?
No, an intelligent designer would have given us titanium skin and a metabolism that works on fission power; one glass of water provides ten thousand years of power. Now, that would be cool. Why wasn't God a little more ambitious with His design.
If I was God, I would have made flying humans - that would have been cool too. Maybe heat-ray vision as well.0 -
So you accept that, just like Evolutionists, practically all Creation Scientists are people of integrity and ability and you don't advocate job discrimination against them because of their beliefs....and that's why I haven't done it. Haven't you read or remembered any of the many posts above in which I explicitly distinguished between the dishonest thugs at the top of the creationist food chain, and the gullible and uninformed at the bottom?
Glad we have got that settled!!!
... I extend the hand of friendship to everyone ... including bigots!!!:)...It's a weird "hand of friendship and respect" that refers to another poster as a bigot0 -
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The speed of light does seem to have slowed down as measured in classic experiments over the past few hundred years!!!himnextdoor wrote: »So will you address the speed of light problem?
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The phrase "creation scientist" is a contradiction in terms -- "creation scientists" do not exist, as you can see from the complete lack of any published research!So you accept that, just like Evolutionists, practically all Creation Scientists are people of integrity and ability
If I were on the board of a university, I certainly would not hire a creationist, any more than I would hire geologist who thought the earth was flat, an astronomer who thought the moon was made of green cheese, a mathematician who couldn't add, or a Holocaust-denying historian -- these kinds of individuals would discredit the institution for their lack of ethical or intellectual standards. Though I do appreciate that concerns like those don't apply to places which sermonize on creationism!and you don't advocate job discrimination against them because of their beliefs.
You also mentioned "respect", though I see you've removed that from your requote. Anyhow, I was much tempted to card you for continuing your "bigot" tirade, but it would probably play into your belief that you and your ridiculous views are being "persecuted". And that's your church's job, not mine.... I extend the hand of friendship to everyone ... including bigots!!!
So, no, please continue -- you're doing wonders for our side of the debate! 0 -
... here we go again with the Catch 22 in which Evolutionists won't publish Creation Science papers in their Journals ... and they then criticise Creation Scientists for not having published Creation Science papers in Evolutionist Journals ... the image of a cat 'playing' with a mouse comes to mind!!!The phrase "creation scientist" is a contradiction in terms -- "creation scientists" do not exist, as you can see from the complete lack of any published research!
Anyway, Creation Scientists (who are, after all, conventionally qualified scientists themselves) have overcome this particular little Evolutionist 'Catch 22' by peer reviewing their own science papers.
.. a more blatant example of job discrimination on the basis of religion you are unlikely to meet!!!If I were on the board of a university, I certainly would not hire a creationist, any more than I would hire geologist who thought the earth was flat, an astronomer who thought the moon was made of green cheese, a mathematician who couldn't add, or a Holocaust-denying historian -- these kinds of individuals would discredit the institution for their lack of ethical or intellectual standards.
... Could I point out that honurable eminent Creation Scientists (many of whom are operating at the highest levels within Evolutionist Science ... but keeping their heads down for very obvious reasons) are being 'lumped in' by you with Holocaust Deniers.
It is outrageous to compare any group to Holocaust Deniers ... but it is even more outrageous to compare Creationists to Holocaust Deniers ... when many Creationists are Jews and Born Again Christians ... whose immediate ancestors were vicims of the Holocaust!!!!!!:(:(
You are correct, that I don't respect bigotry in any of it's forms!!!You also mentioned "respect", though I see you've removed that from your requote. Anyhow, I was much tempted to card you for continuing your "bigot" tirade, but it would probably play into your belief that you and your ridiculous views are being "persecuted". And that's your church's job, not mine.
So, no, please continue -- you're doing wonders for our side of the debate!
I almost forgot that when the going gets tough ... that because you are a Mod, you can 'card' me when you have no answer to the points I raise!!!
You have honourably refrained from doing so up to now (although you have already censored me by 'confining' me to this thread on your forum).
Because of the normal social pressure that usually descends on bigots, they tend to privately discriminate and privately express their bigotry against the objects of their displeasure.
You, on the other hand, don't fit this pattern ... you are quite prepared to publicly proclaim your prejudicial views on Creationists ... and the fact that if it was up to you, they would never be employed within their chosen professions.
The fact that nobody, except myself, has 'pulled you up' on this means that the last (and only) object of socially-acceptable unfettered discrimination seems to Creationists ... and they now occupy a position in society similar to the Jews after the passing of the Nuremberg Laws in Germany ... with apparently no social pressure against job discrimination being directed against them.
The fact that some Creationists are Jews makes this all the more poignant!!!:(0 -
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