"The Origin of Specious Nonsense"

himnextdoor

GO_Bear wrote: »

Like a person who omits their D+ in pass French from their academic CV !

But I am still waiting for J C to address the point that God cannot be all powerful and all loving

No doubt he has receded to Answersingenesis.org in search of a retort

To be honest, I think J C is beginning to realise that he doesn't know the Bible as well as he thought he did.

Sarky

I think you're grossly underestimating J C's mental gymnastics abilities. I've never seen anyone put so much effort into ignoring what was right in front of them, with all the difficult bits highlighted and explained in great detail. He'll be back, completely ignoring any and all demonstrations of how utterly, completely wrong he's gotten it.

himnextdoor

Sarky wrote: »

I think you're grossly underestimating J C's mental gymnastics abilities. I've never seen anyone put so much effort into ignoring what was right in front of them, with all the difficult bits highlighted and explained in great detail. He'll be back, completely ignoring any and all demonstrations of how utterly, completely wrong he's gotten it.

I think he just needs to be sure. Some things are hard to let go of but I feel his willingness to accept the truth.

He just needs to know that he is a very effective weapon but he is in the wrong hands at the moment.

He'll come through in the end, like 'The Wongs' did in 'The Wanderers'. He's a good man and will fulfil his destiny.

J C

wrote:

Originally Posted by Mistress 69
Is this stuff for real or are you taking the mickey?

Originally Posted by Sarky
Boards.ie wouldn't give me a forum for The Esoteric Order of Dagon if it weren't real, would they?

Mistress 69
I Should have wiki'd it first.. everybody is entiled to play around with funny little fictitous cults :pac:

I wouldn't play around with this particular 'funny little fictitious cult' ... The Esoteric Order of Dagon has very deep occult roots indeed ... and traces its origins right back through Aleister Crowley to the mystery cults of ancient Egypt, Babylon and Sumeria. It also claims to be informed by the workings of the Illuminati, Rosicrucians, Knights Templar, Hermetics, Alchemists, and Gnostics.

http://www.esotericorderofdagon.org/
http://www.esotericorderofdagon.org/E.%27.O.%27.D.%27.%20Introduction.pdf

What is very interesting is the number of occultists that call themselves 'Atheists' ... when they know that God exists ... because the spirits that they commune with, know that He exists.
They should more accurately call themselves 'Anti-Theists' i.e. they know that God exists ... but they oppose Him.

J C

robindch wrote: »

He (John May) dropped by the World Atheist Conference a few weeks back. Said hello to him and said I'd enjoyed the book (The Origin of Specious Nonesense),

Can I quote you on that?:):eek::D

Which chapter did you enjoy the most, Robin?

Delirium

J C wrote: »

Can I quote you on that?:):eek::D

you just did :P:pac:

Sarky

J C wrote: »

I wouldn't play around with this particular 'funny little fictitious cult' ... the Order of Dagon has very deep occult roots indeed ... and traces its origins right back through Aleister Crowley to the mystery cults of ancient Egypt and Sumeria.

http://www.esotericorderofdagon.org/

Oh deary, deary me.

J C

Sarky wrote: »

Oh deary, deary me.

Indeed!!!

I implore you to be Saved from the occult powers that you are stirring up.

Jesus Christ loves you ... and He is the only name in Heaven and on Earth that can Save you.

GO_Bear

J C wrote: »

Jesus Christ loves you ... and He is the only name in Heaven and Earth that can defend and Save you.

In his great omnipotence he creates people who are doomed for eternal torture

You still have to admit that the idea of omnipotence and omni-benevolence cannot both be true

Sarky

I think you misunderstand me. In fairness, you're very good at that.

I was simply expressing dismay at the fact that you actually believe in occult magic because a bunch of stories written by a depressed 20th century pulp-writer make vague references to ancient religions and omnipotent god-things. Only slight dismay, mind you. The other ridiculous things you claim to believe soften the blow, as it were.

J C

Sarky wrote: »

I think you misunderstand me. In fairness, you're very good at that.

I was simply expressing dismay at the fact that you actually believe in occult magic because a bunch of stories written by a depressed 20th century pulp-writer make vague references to ancient religions and omnipotent god-things. Only slight dismay, mind you. The other ridiculous things you claim to believe soften the blow, as it were.

So are you saying that The Esoteric Order of Dagon doesn't exist?

... and were you lying when you said that you were a Dagon Priest here? ...
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=72857256&postcount=4525

... Why are you a moderator of the 'Esoteric Order of Dagon' on Boards.ie if it doesn't exist? ... and why is it a restricted forum, if it is the 'fun club' that it is suggested that it is?
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=826

magicbastarder

someday this thread may evolve into something intelligent.
however, evolution is a long and gradual process.

J C

GO_Bear wrote: »

In his great omnipotence he creates people who are doomed for eternal torture

You still have to admit that the idea of omnipotence and omni-benevolence cannot both be true

In His great omnipotence and omniscience God Created Mankind (and Angelic Beings) knowing that some would love Him and spend eternity with Him ... and others would reject Him ... and spend an eternity with themselves.

Nobody is doomed to perdition ... unless they die unSaved.
Jesus came to Save sinners ... and

The key issue is reconciling God's perfect Justice and His perfect Mercy ... and these are exercised depending upon the choice that each individual freely makes ... to subject themselves to His Mercy, by being Saved ... or to His Justice, by not being Saved;

GO_Bear

J C wrote: »

In His great omnipotence and omniscience God Created Mankind (and Angelic Beings)

Ok so you by your own words he is all-powerful and all-knowing

J C wrote: »

knowing that some would love Him and spend eternity with Him

Ok

J C wrote: »

... and others would reject Him ... and spend an eternity with themselves.

And by themselves don't you mean burning in eternal torment ?

Revelation 14:11 “the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever and they have no rest day and night”

So if he is all-knowing, he knew at creation some would be doomed to this faith, and if he is all-powerful he did nothing to stop it

J C wrote: »

The key issue is reconciling God's perfect justice and His perfect Mercy.

No, no it isn't, there would be no need for justice or mercy had "he" not wanted it there in the first place.


All of this of course on the premise that any of that god **** is real

Sarky

J C wrote: »

So are you saying that The Esoteric Order of Dagon doesn't exist?

Pretty much, yes. Well maybe there's a handful of Esoteric Orders that operate out of the basement of a 40 year old virgin's parents' basement, but they're not terribly scary beyond the image of a 40 year old virgin living in his parents' basement. Being scared of them would be as silly as believing that Dungeons & Dragons spells actually work. You wouldn't duck if someone in a cape shouted "LIGHTNING BOLT!" at you, would you?

... and were you lying when you said that you were a Dagon Priest here? ...
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=72857256&postcount=4525

Yup. Bald-faced lie. I was pretty shocked to see you actually swallow it. But what the hell, I thought, I'll see how far this thing can run before we all get bored. Lo and behold, here it is weeks later, and you still didn't do any actual research. Even a quick google of "Cthulhu fhtagn" would have shown you I was talking bollocks.

... Why are you a moderator of the 'Esoteric Order of Dagon' on Boards.ie if it doesn't exist? ... and why is it a restricted forum, if it is the 'fun club' that it is suggested that it is?
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=826

Because the title in my profile looks freaking awesome. And because past poster/moderator Karl Hungus and myself are fans of H.P. Lovecraft. He's one of the most influential horror writers of the 20th century. Not the best writer in the world by a long shot, he's far too wordy and has a great big architectural stiffy for describing houses. But his stories were extremely entertaining once you get past that.

It was made private to make it look mysterious. Well, partly. It was mostly to make sure that if someone posted Great Old One themed porn only a select few people would have to gouge their own eyes out while cleaning up the tentacle-fuelled mess.


Why, did you think I was some kind of insane demon-worshipping wizard? Come on, dude, that stuff isn't real! You are so credulous it's not even funny any more. I couldn't in good secular conscience let you keep worrying about evil cults that practice black magic that you seem to think actually works and will be used to send the whole world to Hell. Even someone like you deserves a chance to be able to tell the difference between reality and fantasy.

Undergod

Sarky wrote: »

You wouldn't duck if someone in a cape shouted "LIGHTNING BOLT!" at you, would you?

At 1d6 damage/level I'm taking no chances.

robindch

J C wrote: »

Can I quote you on that? Which chapter did you enjoy the most, Robin?

Only read part of the first chapter and bits and pieces from further on in the "book".

On the one hand I was convulsed with laughter that, pace Poe, an adult could write such appalling, insane and misspelled prose. And on the other, I was very sad for the same reason.

himnextdoor

Sarky wrote: »

Pretty much, yes. Well maybe there's a handful of Esoteric Orders that operate out of the basement of a 40 year old virgin's parents' basement, but they're not terribly scary beyond the image of a 40 year old virgin living in his parents' basement. Being scared of them would be as silly as believing that Dungeons & Dragons spells actually work. You wouldn't duck if someone in a cape shouted "LIGHTNING BOLT!" at you, would you?



Yup. Bald-faced lie. I was pretty shocked to see you actually swallow it. But what the hell, I thought, I'll see how far this thing can run before we all get bored. Lo and behold, here it is weeks later, and you still didn't do any actual research. Even a quick google of "Cthulhu fhtagn" would have shown you I was talking bollocks.



Because the title in my profile looks freaking awesome. And because past poster/moderator Karl Hungus and myself are fans of H.P. Lovecraft. He's one of the most influential horror writers of the 20th century. Not the best writer in the world by a long shot, he's far too wordy and has a great big architectural stiffy for describing houses. But his stories were extremely entertaining once you get past that.

It was made private to make it look mysterious. Well, partly. It was mostly to make sure that if someone posted Great Old One themed porn only a select few people would have to gouge their own eyes out while cleaning up the tentacle-fuelled mess.


Why, did you think I was some kind of insane demon-worshipping wizard? Come on, dude, that stuff isn't real!

So, J C , why can;t you do that?

Genghiz Cohen

Now that you're back JC, what about the list of Kinds?

GO_Bear

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

Now that you're back JC, what about the list of Kinds?

No he has to answer me first >:|

himnextdoor

GO_Bear wrote: »

No he has to answer me first >:|

I think he should answer the most important questiion first; where are my keys?

GO_Bear

himnextdoor wrote: »

I think he should answer the most important questiion first; where are my keys?

Why don't you join Senator Rick Perry, and pray for your keys to be found, in Heuston Texas ?

Genghiz Cohen

GO_Bear wrote: »

Why don't you join Senator Rick Perry, and pray for your keys to be found, in Heuston Texas ?

Why don't you join...
YOUR MOM!!!
and...
SHUT UP!

GO_Bear

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

Why don't you join...
YOUR MOM!!!
and...

Retire ?

himnextdoor

GO_Bear wrote: »

Why don't you join Senator Rick Perry, and pray for your keys to be found, in Heuston Texas ?

Because God only helps those who help themselves; God will only help me find my keys if I look for them and then He'll just pretend to find them at the same time as me.

I bet Rick Perry still had to look for his keys.

J C

GO_Bear wrote: »

Ok so you by your own words he is all-powerful and all-knowing

Ok

And by themselves don't you mean burning in eternal torment ?

Revelation 14:11 “the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever and they have no rest day and night”

They seem to torment each other both physically and spiritually ... and their tormented fate is in dramatic contrast to the eternal bliss which exists between the Saved amongst themselves and with their God.

GO_Bear wrote: »

So if he is all-knowing, he knew at creation some would be doomed to this faith, and if he is all-powerful he did nothing to stop it



No, no it isn't, there would be no need for justice or mercy had "he" not wanted it there in the first place.

When people are given free will, they may do evil or good ... and Justice is required to punish evil ... and mercy to forgive sin.
That's just the way it is.

J C

The latest results from Stanford University is supporting the idea that Neutrino flux can cause radioactive decay rates to vary ... and this places a major question mark over the apparent ages of biotic material.

The paper below confirms this and states in its summary:-
A surge in neutrino flux would have two effects:
• It would cause excess decays of the 14C isotopes in all dead biota (via the Jenkins-Fischbach effect), thus increasing their apparent ages as indicated by their “14C ages".
• It would produce excess atmospheric 14C for a brief period, thus causing the biotic matter formed during the surge to look anomalously young—perhaps by very large amounts (which may have led to unwarranted discarding of good data).
These two effects together mean that the 14C calibration curve may constitute a “neutrinocardiogram” giving a time history of the “heartbeat of the Sun.”

... and whatever about the “neutrinocardiogram” ... it certainly makes all radio-carbon dating tentative, at best ...
... but then, we scientists have known this all along ...
Creation Scientists have always used a 'health warning' when using radiocarbon dating ... and Evolutionists have also been circumspect about it ... see the statement, highlighted by me, in the above quote, about discarding radiometric data that didn't fit the known facts.

http://arxiv.org/abs/0808.3986

The Jenkins-Fischbach effect mean that decay rates aren't constant ... and so, nuclear half-lives aren't definitive either.

It is a case of something which supposedly doesn't interact with anything (Neutrinos) causing changes in something which supposedly doesn't change (the rate of radioactive decay of an isotope).:D:eek:

... and thus another great 'foundation block' of Evolution (the supposed accuracy of the ages attributed to material by radio-nuclear dating) 'bites the dust.':eek:

Genghiz Cohen

J C wrote: »

... and whatever about the “neutrinocardiogram” ... it certainly makes all radio-carbon dating tentative, at best ...
... but then, we scientists have known this all along ...
Creation Scientists have always used a 'health warning' when using radiocarbon dating ... and Evolutionists have also been circumspect about it ... see the statement, highlighted by me, in the above quote, about discarding radiometric data that didn't fit the known facts.

http://arxiv.org/abs/0808.3986

Well I guess it's a good thing that we don't solely rely on 14C for dating then.

Now, back to that list of Kinds you were going to show me.

GO_Bear

J C wrote: »

When people are given free will, they may do evil or good ... and Justice is required to punish evil ... and mercy to forgive sin.
That's just the way it is.

The need to punish would not be there had it not been implemented,

Knowing he would have to punish his own creations and still implementing it only displays malevolence

Sarky

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

Well I guess it's a good thing that we don't solely rely on 14C for dating then.

Now, back to that list of Kinds you were going to show me.

Not to mention all the 14C dating for stuff that was alive when the sun wasn't spewing out extra neutrinos. I don't know, J C keeps claiming that he was/is a scientist, how are these massive holes in his arguments getting by him? It's almost as if he's not actually a scientist. But that would make him an out-and-out liar, so that can't POSSIBLY be true.

But yes, let's see this list of kinds. I've been doing stuff based on molecular evolution all month, I could use a chortle.