"The Origin of Specious Nonsense"

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There is a forum for theories like faked moon landings...

You were saying about evolution?

J C

magicbastarder wrote: »

there's a moon landing conspiracy theorist in work. he maintains they went into earth orbit, but went no further. he reckons he's extremely well read on the topic, and said to me 'there is nothing - absolutely nothing - about the "landings" that cannot be explained by the earth-orbit hypothesis'.

'how can you explain the radio signals being beamed back to the earth being relatively stationary relative to the moon?'

'how do you mean?'

'well, if they were in earth orbit, the russians would have known, because the radio source would have zipped across the sky in minutes. instead it was close to stationary relative to the background stars'

'oh, i never thought of that'.

As I recall at the time, the TV signals could only be received somewhere in the Australian outback ... and they were relayed directly to 'mission control' in Houston from there ... somewhat surprising that they couldn't be received anywhere else on Earth where the Moon was directly visible!!!

Fluffybums

J C wrote: »

As I recall at the time the radio signals could only be received somewhere in the Austraian outback ... and were relayed directly to 'mission control' in Houston from there ... somewhat surprising that they couldn't be received anywhere on Earth where the Moon was visible!!!

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh Bless.

J C

sponsoredwalk wrote: »

There is a forum for theories like faked moon landings...

You were saying about evolution?

Point taken ... but Robin was the guy who introduced Buzz Aldrin into the debate ... with a bang!!!!
... or should I say a whack in the jaw!!!!:)

J C

magicbastarder wrote: »

i vaguely remember reading that the CIA have a rule of thumb that the chances of a secret becoming public are proportional to the square of the number of people who know it.
the moon landings (hoax or not) involved thousands upon thousands of people who would be in a position to cry foul, but none have, that i am aware. and i'm also not aware of any great 'they're being killed off' conspiracy theory.

... perhaps it has 'leaked' that it was a hoax???...
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread486737/pg1

5uspect

mmmmmmh, midnight trolling.

Ciaran500

J C wrote: »

As I recall at the time, the TV signals could only be received somewhere in the Australian outback

Two in Australia, one in Spain and one in the Mojave desert.

J C wrote: »

and they were relayed directly to 'mission control' in Houston from there ... somewhat surprising that they couldn't be received anywhere on Earth where the Moon was visible!!!

They could be with the right equipment :rolleyes:

J C

5uspect wrote: »

mmmmmmh, midnight trolling.

... your unfounded (repeated) allegations of trolling against me is trolling on your part.

Your (repeated) statements that I have not answered questions that I already have answered is just that ... repeated invalid statements about answers that you don't like ... even though they are the truth.

... it destroys your credibility ... and that of evolution ... so please feel free to continue, if you want!!!;)

smokingman

I really have to wonder if Johnnys six kids know about his porn career...maybe I should take a placard of protest outside his house, whatcha think?

"DOWN WITH THIS SORT OF THING!!" :pac:

J C

Ciaran500 wrote: »

Two in Australia, one in Spain and one in the Mojave desert.

... I now understand that there were three TV reception points :-
CSIRO's Parkes Radio Telescope outside Sydney, the Honeysuckle Creek tracking station outside Canberra, and NASA's Goldstone station in California ... and they were all under the direct or indirect control of NASA.

Ciaran500 wrote: »

They could be with the right equipment :rolleyes:

... how very convenient????:rolleyes:

BTW it only took 8 years from JFK's 1961 speech to suposedly put a Man on the moon in 1969, starting effectively from scratch.
George Bush announced in 2004 that the US would revisit the moon in 2020 ... which was a time-horizon of 16 years ... double the time supposedly taken to put the first man on the moon ... and presumably building on existing (and vastly improved) technology and knowhow to the 1960's.
... and finally Barack Obama has now cancelled even this apparently modest ambition (if the Moon Landings actually happened in 1969 and the early 70's).

I'm in agreement with Dr Brian Todd O'Leary, NASA astronaut & Apollo programme adviser on this one:-
"I can't be 100% sure that man actually walked on the Moon. It's possible that NASA could have covered it up, just in order to cut corners, and to be the first to allegedly go to the Moon."

... ye can read all of the 'pros' and the 'cons' in relation to the moon hoax idea here on wikispooks:-
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Moon_Landings_Hoax#cite_note-475
There is plenty of stuff there for all the skeptics on this forum to get their teeth into!!!!

robindch

J C wrote: »

5uspect wrote: »

mmmmmmh, midnight trolling.

... your unfounded allegations of trolling is trolling on your part.

5uspect and others are correct to point out that you are trolling, since you violate Rule 3 of the forum charter in almost every post you make in this forum.

While this does lower the forum tone -- something that the forum moderators are acutely aware of -- we also believe that, on balance, you're doing a service to the wider cause of atheism and agnosticism by showing what fundamentalist religion is like.

J C

Robin, as a matter of interest, do you still believe 100% that Buzz made it to the Moon?

... and what point were you trying to make by posting the Buzz Aldrin video on this thread?

smokingman

J C wrote: »

Are you saying that he is still selling porn???

If not ... let he who is without sin ... and all that !!!!

Nah, just that he's going to hell or whatever imaginary place you people concoct for hypocrites of the highest order.

J C

smokingman wrote: »

Nah, just that he's going to hell or whatever imaginary place you people concoct for hypocrites of the highest order.

Hell unfortunately is very real ... as many un-saved persons who have had 'near death' experience can confirm.
Here is what happened to an Atheist ... who was Saved at the point of death ... and was resuscitated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVi1GAHrILI

The only issue in relation to somebody's eternal destination is whether they are Saved or not.
If the sin of hypocracy was the yardstick ... then everybody would be 'going down'!!!!

housetypeb

Jc, you don't believe in the moon landings despite the evidence-and yet believe in hell,for which there is no evidence,except claims from some religions.

robindch

J C wrote: »

Robin, as a matter of interest, do you still believe 100% that Buzz made it to the Moon?

Yes, for four reasons.

Firstly, because I've been working as an engineer for over twenty years and have looked at the theory of, the practice of and people involved with, spaceflight many times - what I have read and understood is universally intelligent, honest, credible, straightforward and convincing. Secondly, I do not believe that it is remotely possible to spend ~$200 billion, develop a wide range of entirely new technologies, employ ~500,000 people over ten years in ~fifty countries and fool an entire planet, including their sworn enemies, during the most closely-watched television event in human history. Thirdly, the reasons put forward by moon-hoaxers are not just silly, they are stunningly moronic. And finally, as above, the people involved in propagating the moon-hoax appear to be as disgraceful and dishonorable as the moral and intellectual derelicts who run the creationist movement.

J C wrote: »

... and what point were you trying to make by posting the Buzz Aldrin video on this thread?

The point is exactly what I said in the original post.

J C

housetypeb wrote: »

Jc, you don't believe in the moon landings despite the evidence-and yet believe in hell,for which there is no evidence,except claims from some religions.

I have an open mind (with significant questions) on the veracity of the Moon Landings.

... here is another testimony on a near death experience of an Atheist medical doctor ... who chose to be Saved as a result.

J C

robindch wrote: »

Yes, for four reasons.

Firstly, because I've been working as an engineer for over twenty years and have looked at the theory of, the practice of and people involved with, spaceflight many times - what I have read and understood is universally intelligent, honest, credible, straightforward and convincing.
There certainly came a lot of technology 'spin-offs' from the Apollo Programme ... and the people involved seem to be honourable and hard-working.
Indeed the chief rocket scientist was a Creationist himself.

Secondly, I do not believe that it is remotely possible to spend ~$200 billion, develop a wide range of entirely new technologies, employ ~500,000 people over ten years in ~fifty countries and fool an entire planet, including their sworn enemies, during the most closely-watched television event in human history.
That is indeed a very significant rebuttal of the hoax idea. However, if they genuinely set out to put a man on the moon and spent this enormous amount of money ... but then found that they simply couldn't do it and/or the risks of the astronauts dying in the effort would have been too great ... a 'fake' might then be a very understandable out-turn!!!

Thirdly, the reasons put forward by moon-hoaxers are not just silly, they are stunningly moronic.
That simply is not true ... of course there are some 'whaco ideas' ... and these have been easily and successfully de-bunked ...
... but there are also very valid and serious questions over various aspect of the issue that haven't been debunked.

And finally, as above, the people involved in propagating the moon-hoax appear to be as disgraceful and dishonorable as the moral and intellectual derelicts who run the creationist movement.
Arguing that everybody on one side or the other are moral scoundrels doesn't have much validity ... and is simply ad hominism.
It would be far better to address the evidence in favour of evolution or the moon landings (and debunk the nay-sayers) than to merely engage in ad hominem attacks on the people involved.

.
A rapid return visit to the moon ... accompanied by CNN ... and Charlie Bird ... would settle the issue once and for all.:D

King Mob

Guys, I'm honestly disappointed that you're even engaging with any sort of effort with this troll.
You guys are just wasting your effort and time.

We all know well he doesn't actually believe the bollocks he's spouting.

sponsoredwalk

I'm inclined to agree with the opinions expressed in the deleted post

robindch

J C wrote: »

A rapid return visit to the moon

Can I suggest that the USA's religious industries pool their financial resources for, say, ten years, and rather than spending on themselves the ~$1,200 billion dollars that they'd turnover in this period, that they finance instead a massive spaceshot to deliver all the world's creationists to, say, Pluto?

I'm sure there's an unsaved rock there somewhere that they could try to convert.

Morbert

Wow JC I've read your posts and I think you are right.

Let's all agree with JC about the moon landing, evolution, near-death experiences etc. and never post in this thread again.

smokingman

J C wrote: »

If the sin of hypocracy was the yardstick ... then everybody would be 'going down'!!!!

That is ****in hilarious that is - if you're pretending to be a christian, at least try!

According to that book, EVERY living "christian" is condemned but they choose to believe that "sure, it's grand, they didn't mean those bits that I find unreasonable, I'll still go to heaven".....you'd know this if you were a christian Johnny, but you're not, you're just a troll...and a very sad one at that.

J C

robindch wrote: »

Can I suggest that the USA's religious industries pool their financial resources for, say, ten years, and rather than spending on themselves the ~$1,200 billion dollars that they'd turnover in this period, that they finance instead a massive spaceshot to deliver all the world's creationists to, say, Pluto?

I'm sure there's an unsaved rock there somewhere that they could try to convert.

Robin, why do you direct such negativity towards people who don't share your worldview?

I would never dream of suggesting that any harm should befall Atheists ... I love them all and only want to save them ... while you want to wipe me and my fellow Christians from the face of the Earth!!!

Live and let live ... I say!!!

J C

smokingman wrote: »

That is ****in hilarious that is - if you're pretending to be a christian, at least try!

According to that book, EVERY living "christian" is condemned but they choose to believe that "sure, it's grand, they didn't mean those bits that I find unreasonable, I'll still go to heaven".....you'd know this if you were a christian Johnny, but you're not, you're just a troll...and a very sad one at that.

What are you talking about???
... and who is this 'Johnny' you keep referring to???

smokingman

J C wrote: »

What are you talking about???
... and who is this 'Johnny' you keep referring to???

Don't be playing games now Johnny
We both know who you are. We both know what you've done in the past to get where you are today, we both know why you really do this

darjeeling

King Mob wrote: »

Guys, I'm honestly disappointed that you're even engaging with any sort of effort with this troll.
You guys are just wasting your effort and time.

We all know well he doesn't actually believe the bollocks he's spouting.

Unfortunately, replying to trolls seems as addictive as smoking. Everyone knows they shouldn't do it, and most people will give it up in the end (look at the list of people who were once hooked on the creationism thread, and probably now wish they'd never touched it), but there's always that temptation to write just one more reply. God, make me good - but not yet!

Zillah

darjeeling wrote: »

Unfortunately, replying to trolls seems as addictive as smoking. Everyone knows they shouldn't do it, and most people will give it up in the end (look at the list of people who were once hooked on the creationism thread, and probably now wish they'd never touched it), but there's always that temptation to write just one more reply. God, make me good - but not yet!

I have quit both

The Mad Hatter

Zillah wrote: »

I have quit both

I went for a more unusual approach - quit both, except for occasional cigar-smoking and troll-poking.

darjeeling

The Mad Hatter wrote: »

I went for a more unusual approach - quit both, except for occasional cigar-smoking and troll-poking.

Are those hand-rolled Cuban trolls you have there? Go on, twist my arm.