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Irelands a total bargain at the moment compared to Germany and Holland
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You can't compare car ownership in Holland to Ireland. Holland has 16million people compared to 4 million here.
The reason for high car ownership costs in Holland are to stop millions of cars roaming a country just over half the size of Ireland.
Same analogy for property. High population density results in high property costs in Holland. Unlike us who have one of the lowest population densities.
Dutch hotels are notoriously expensive near any major city due to demand. Irish hotels can be cheaper for example in Dublin but they are not cheap in Kilkenny!
And yes, Holland consumer prices are indeed high for alot of items.
Maybe you should of compared Finland to us instead of Holland
Irelands even more of a Bargain compared to Finland.
Cigarettes are cheaper in Finland though ..0 -
keithclancy wrote: »Irelands even more of a Bargain compared to Finland.
Cigarettes are cheaper in Finland though ..
Maybe Portugal then? :P
Guess its down to purchasing power of each country to find out is it really a bargain to live in 0 -
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keithclancy wrote: »The amount of times i've just missed the last metro from Heinrich Heine Allee.. nope, s-bahn finished for me 12.00, didnt stay many weekends as I was commuting every week.
That just isn't true. During the week the last metro leaves at 1.20am, not at 12, and on the weekends it runs non-stop. So when you say that you're forced to get a taxi because the metros and trams stop at 11.30/12, that's a lie, even when you're talking about a Tuesday, which is probably not what most people have in mind when they talk about going out late at night.
And even then you still have the busses, so unless you're planning to stay out until 3am on a Sunday night, you won't ever need a taxi.
It's not like you can only get cheap fares 3 weeks in advance. Here, this is for next Monday:lol .. its FROM 19 euros each way. Thats fantastic if you see a cheap fare 3 weeks in advance, I don't think my boss would be cool with it though.
This is about the cheapest I'd get (looking through my mails)
and thats with a Railplus (25% off International Trains) and Voordeeleuren card (40% off Dutch Trains), which I pay a subscription for it. (Germany you have the bahncard)
The full fare with no Bahncard, no subscription, no discount whatsoever is 52.70€. So when you say
that's obviously not true either.ICE, Cheapest one way ticket from The Hague - Duesseldorf with a Voordeelurenabonnement + Railplus (i.e. booking 3 weeks in advance) is 50 euros (if your lucky) .Claims...., I've lived in the Netherlands for 3 years and worked in Germany for 2. I see whats going out of my Bank account every month.
Well, that may be, but you're still playing loose with the facts.0 -
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I'm living in Eindhoven and must say although the taxes are a rip off. I'm getting great value for my money compared to at home. I was home last weekend and spent a fortune getting down to Arklow from the airport. I could cover the same distance over here for 3 quid! With my OV card I can get from my home north of eindhoven into work on time every day for 1.60. If I leave after 9 i can get a day pass which is unlimited travel all day. The trains are 40% cheaper too. Eindhoven to Amsterdam, 10.60. Irish rail you'd be laughing if you got that. 15 quid a mate paid last year from Carlow to Kildare.
The Netherlands is a high tax economy but you get what you pay for. Great transport, great services (got my bsn number and card within in 4 days and the people were very helpful). Health Insurance at first sounded a pain but was well justified when one of the lads ended up needing dental work last week. It was quick and easy and totally covered by his health insurance. Compare that to this time last year, sitting in a hospital for 14 hours waiting for my mother to have an xray on her arm. Joke..
Ireland is most certainly not a bargain compared to The Netherlands(dont no about Germany). Outside of Dublin everything is a joke in Ireland. I couldn't get a bus between Arklow and Carlow when I was in college only way was bus to dublin then dublin to carlow at a ripoff price. Students travelling home to Cork/Leitrim/Donegal from Dublin and the like on Irish transport would be easier taking a plane. Most of them dont have a choice but to try buy a car or just not go home at all.
Lots of things are better in Ireland but most of the public service is ****e!! Bunch of overpaid useless people. My best friend got a summer job in one of these areas, his job was answer the phone, surf the net for the day, maybe print a document or two. If he worked after 4 (only started at half 9) and only took an hour break he was entitled to time off and overtime. He was there temp and getting 500 a week. He was laughing!! No wonder nothing gets done in Ireland.
By the sounds of it you are not happy in Netherlands/Germany, why don't you move home and enjoy all the bargains?
Funny that .. I live in Eindhoven too, that Dag-Kaart is a Brabant thing, really cheap, doesn't exist in the Randstad and fab value if your traveling around brabant all day, cheaper to use your ov card if just doing a return trip.
I never said I didnt like it here, I said Ireland is cheaper for alot of stuff. I travel back to Ireland to buy clothes, or the UK, its cheaper. People here import cars from the UK/Ireland even with the steering wheel on the wrong side, because its cheaper (even when you pay the BPM)
Dont get me wrong, I love it here, I never said I didn't.
I'm merely saying that Ireland is a bargain at the moment, that doesn't make it any less f*cked than it actually is as a country.
Your living in a nice part of the country, Eindhoven is great
Generally I buy
Beer in Germany,
Cigarettes in Holland
Cheese in Ireland
Clothes in Ireland (Irish women really hate shopping in Holland) if stuck then we go to Germany.
Car in Ireland and import it.. far far cheaper.
In never said it was a ripoff either, I'm merely pointing out that Ireland isn't as much of a ripoff as people make out.
Health insurance with 90% Dental is around 128 a month last time I looked. Delta-Lloyd are doing about the best package.0 -
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keithclancy wrote: »Funny that .. I live in Eindhoven too, that Dag-Kaart is a Brabant thing, really cheap, doesn't exist in the Randstad and fab value if your traveling around brabant all day, cheaper to use your ov card if just doing a return trip.
I never said I didnt like it here, I said Ireland is cheaper for alot of stuff. I travel back to Ireland to buy clothes, or the UK, its cheaper. People here import cars from the UK/Ireland even with the steering wheel on the wrong side, because its cheaper (even when you pay the BPM)
Dont get me wrong, I love it here, I never said I didn't.
I'm merely saying that Ireland is a bargain at the moment, that doesn't make it any less f*cked than it actually is as a country.
Your living in a nice part of the country, Eindhoven is great
Generally I buy
Beer in Germany,
Cigarettes in Holland
Cheese in Ireland
Clothes in Ireland (Irish women really hate shopping in Holland) if stuck then we go to Germany.
Car in Ireland and import it.. far far cheaper.
In never said it was a ripoff either, I'm merely pointing out that Ireland isn't as much of a ripoff as people make out.
Health insurance with 90% Dental is around 128 a month last time I looked. Delta-Lloyd are doing about the best package.
Yeah its a great place alright, my health insurance incl dental is just under that and almost 90% cover.. I'd have no interest in a car over here, my bike gets me everywhere and helps keep my beer belly in shape. Quality of beer is great over here. Aint had a hangover yet. Lots of Irish over here at the moment.
I still don't think Ireland is a bargain though. I got clothes last week for less than i'd pay at home. I find food shopping grand but i'm only shopping for one so maybe its different for a family. When I refer to Ireland as a ripoff (i never actually do cause I love the place) but the things that p**s me off are the public service end of things. So expensive and badly run.
Funny you mention the cheese, we were just laughing about that on lunch how the boys bring over their own cheese. The stuff over here is muck and expensive so Ireland is a bargain in the cheese market.0 -
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That just isn't true. During the week the last metro leaves at 1.20am, not at 12, and on the weekends it runs non-stop. So when you say that you're forced to get a taxi because the metros and trams stop at 11.30/12, that's a lie, even when you're talking about a Tuesday, which is probably not what most people have in mind when they talk about going out late at night.
And even then you still have the busses, so unless you're planning to stay out until 3am on a Sunday night, you won't ever need a taxi.
It's not like you can only get cheap fares 3 weeks in advance. Here, this is for next Monday:
The full fare with no Bahncard, no subscription, no discount whatsoever is 52.70€. So when you say
that's obviously not true either.
Well, that may be, but you're still playing loose with the facts.
Having been on the ICE a few times, there is no comparison between it and Irish trains. It could do Cork-Dublin in an hour easy (assuming we had tracks to accommodate it). I would pay a premium for that - and considering Cork - Dublin return is € 73 the ICE is a bargain.0 -
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I lived in Veldhoven for 13 years before moving here! Funnily enough there was a huge influx of Irish people into Eindhoven (i.e. Philips) back in the 80's, most of whom have since left. This time though it was a dearth of suitably qualified people in the Netherlands and Philips and some other companies, including the one I ended up working for, actually came over to the UK and Ireland to visit the universities on recruitment drives.
Cheese wise, I loved the Dutch cheese, but you have to go for the more mature stuff. Go to a proper cheese shop (not Albert Heijn) and try some extra belegen boerenkaas, lovely stuff.
Personally I'd move back there tomorrow if the opportunity arose.
And then Ryanair started doing Dublin -> Eindhoven.
Can't get rid of us now
Seriously though, meeting alot of Irish around the place, either over as a cheap alternative to Amsterdam to smoke weed. Or indeed to just get the train there via Eindhoven station.
More turning up for work as well with ASML, Rehab, Philips and all those other companies in the technology campus.
The big Strijp-S complex is being turned into a new town center now, they blew up one of the buildings a few months back !
Veldhoven is a nice spot as well, nice little town center, very spread out though, Old Veldhoven is much nicer than the new one.
I dont care what you say about the cheese though, Caherconall beats the living pants out of Old Amsterdam !0 -
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