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  • 14-09-2010 6:41pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 509 ✭✭✭


    have any luck with my footer bets this evening,is the only way to get the bad luck out of the way is to knock it on the head for a bit??

    Not one bet has come in for me for about 6 months.i do all the usual,doubles,trebles,accs,blah blah blah.

    Advice from the pros would be great.......:)


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  • Moderators Posts: 8,728 ✭✭✭x PyRo


    aflib wrote: »
    Not one bet has come in for me for about 6 months.

    I do all the usual,doubles,trebles,accs.

    There's your problem.

    Do singles.

    If that doesn't work you're just not good at judging things.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 509 ✭✭✭aflib


    i was kind of hoping you would reply.....

    f all value in the singles most of the time tho.


  • Moderators Posts: 8,728 ✭✭✭x PyRo


    There is a lot more value in singles than multiples, you've no edge with multiples and the bookie has complete control.

    I used to do a lot of multiples and now I don't do 10% of what I once did. They're a waste of time in my opinion and there's plenty of value to find in singles, in my experience anyways. I used to love trying to hit the jackpot with doubles, trebles and so on but it's pointless and tough to win and I used to lose quite a bit on them, now it's singles 9 times out of 10 and never with horses. At least with singles you may have an edge on the bookie and find something they haven't factored into the price.

    Try just backing singles for a few weeks and slow roll your money instead of looking for the big one. Maybe start a log and put reasoning to why you think the selection should win and I'm 100% sure it'll increase your chances of doing a lot better. I used to always lose money until I started posting every bet I do online, now I don't. Although the football has been hard to call this season so far but I'm waiting for it to settle down a bit before going in again as it has been a tough start for me.

    Put aside a bank of whatever you can afford to lose and just use a small percentage of it per bet and slowly build it up if you can, with single bets! You might be able to have an edge with them, and you've certainly a better chance of doing well with singles in comparison to multiples which keep the bookies in business. No harm in doing the odd one but I think they're a waste of time. Even if you started with 100 points and could add 5% per week consistently then you'll make a nice return in the long run.

    Slow and steady wins the race.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 509 ✭✭✭aflib


    top man.ta


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,335 ✭✭✭✭UrbanSea


    After all,multiples are just singles rolling on to each other,except say you wouldn't have to go and put 50k on a final bet if you had it in a multiple.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    To answer your original question though, Yes stop gambling if yoour are constantly losing in a lean streak. Don't stop looking at prices though, do whats called Paper Trading - where you make fake bets and when your fake bets start winning again you can start backing your selections with real money.

    A lot of it is about confidence. Paper trading takes the pressure off your decisions when your gambling and allows you to approach your betting with a more open mind. And it will make you less poor too :P


  • Registered Users Posts: 561 ✭✭✭minty16


    I'd like to weigh in on this one if I may. I was a fairly successful gambler , gambling small (ish) stakes , and being unemployed I would make a few extra quid out of it. I don't have specific types of bets, but bet on pretty much anything I think is value. I would consider myself to have a very good knowledge of horse racing/football/american football, and also a very good knowledge of the betting industry. However, I am VERY indisciplined, and even have often blown winnings in a half hour of madness, be it in the bookies on a few dogs I know nothing about , or even in online casino's. I know that doing this is wrong, and it wastes all the hard work I put in sniffing out value on whatever it may be, But I do it say, 40 percent of the time.
    The big problem however is that at the start of August I got a windfall of money, not from gambling, and it got out of hand. I lost one quarter of this money in a day, but won it back in a week of focused gambling. Then, gradually, as if I always felt I could win it all back as I had done previously, I continued to lose until now, when pretty much all of the money is gone. It is a despairing feeling to know that it is pretty much impossible for me to win this money back, but I have a genuine love of betting, horses, and sports. I am in a huge dilemma, as I fear the enjoyment that I have gotten for years out of putting ie 10/20 quid on a horse will never be the same again. I'm genuinely sad. All my sportsbook online accounts are profitable over the last 4 years, yet I have blown a serious some of money, just out of what seems to be a compulsion, not even an enjoyment. (ie) I dont enjoy the things I have lost the money on. When losing these large sums, it was usually chasing losses off bets that I felt would win, out of being pissed off, or just annoyed.
    Anybody who doesnt know me well, would probably consider me a very successful punter, as I've given countless winning tips, and I always have a smile on my face.
    Has anybody out there got any advice ?
    I dont mind somebody looking in and telling me to stop flat out. Some of the happiest moments in my life have come from gambling. I remember at 15/16 having a tenner on Kicking King to win the Gold Cup and I will never forget that day. Has it really gotten that bad that I need to stop gambling all together? I even have a succesful tipping book that is profitable for the year to 1pt stakes on horses. The thing is I feel like if i had some sort of proper structure to my gambling instead of randomly backing things for 'fun' or even boredom as i am unemployed, that I could be successful at it. But I will never have that sort of bankroll again, at least for a while, and it's always going to be on my mind. Am I deluded, or what? Has anybody had similar problems?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,335 ✭✭✭✭UrbanSea


    If you have a successful tipping book,stick to it,use 1 or 2 pt stakes. Don't even bother looking at other sports. It doesn't sound as if you're trying to make a living from gambling,so 10 or 20 quid (1 or 2 pts) would be fine. Once a winner comes in,accept that and leave the bookies(or the website)with a smile on your face,and wait for tomorrow's seclection. If it doesn't win,forget it,wait until the next day again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    @ Minty16

    If you can look yourself in the mirror and honestly say to yourself that you can control your betting, only then should you gamble. Otherwise don't.

    Also, being unemployed puts added pressure on you to make your bets pay because if your not making money your losing it and when your unemployed that means your flat broke.

    From your post though it appears you have many of the traits of a problem gambler. NEVER bet on something you cannot justify, i.e. dogs if you don't know a thing about greyhound racing and casinos.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 870 ✭✭✭scopper


    Pyro is right. Singles are where you should be going - at least to begin with. I must admit I love doubles/trebles but they are about 10% of my overall betting and I expect them to lose. They are the fun 'ah feck it' bit and not to be considered the 'money making' bit. If you find yourself chasing some mad super win you are a bookie's dream.

    Try this kind of betting:
    1-2 Single bets on horses you have studied/followed/feel there is value in.
    The rest of the horses you are not sure about put all of them together into your tiny fun bet and make sure it costs you nothing but shillings.

    If the second bet comes up sure you'll be rich but if it don't you'll have lost the price of a bottle of coke.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 870 ✭✭✭scopper


    I should add that you get the same buzz following tiny multiply bets anyway and it can actually be more fun to win when the stakes are so low (and less stressful!).


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