ROS VRT What's going on?

znv6i3h7kqf9ys

Just wondering if anybody knows what's going on with VRT on ROS? I've been looking at 320d's across the pond and the VRT keeps going up and up.. 2 weeks ago it was €1060 for a 2003 320d ES with 130k miles. This week it's over €1600 for the same model same details. Should this not be going in the other way? The omsp is also way off.

Viper_JB

Lamar Purple Resistance wrote: »

The omsp is also way off.

Unfortunitly the osmp is set by SIMI a group consisting of irish car dealers, it's not in their interests to set realistic prices for importing cars. It's pretty weird that the price went up though.

Seth Brundle

I recall hearing that the more a specific type of car is checked on the calculator, the more likely the VRT is to go up.

znv6i3h7kqf9ys

kbannon wrote: »

I recall hearing that the more a specific type of car is checked on the calculator, the more likely the VRT is to go up.

where did you hear that?

znv6i3h7kqf9ys

Viper_JB wrote: »

Unfortunitly the osmp is set by SIMI a group consisting of irish car dealers, it's not in their interests to set realistic prices for importing cars. It's pretty weird that the price went up though.

Yeah it is strange alright as the simi dealers are selling them for less than the omsp they are recommending. Corruption in Ireland? Shock fupping horror.

DonJose

kbannon wrote: »

I recall hearing that the more a specific type of car is checked on the calculator, the more likely the VRT is to go up.

I heard they did that on airline websites but surely they can't do it on ROS.

CKurtz

Sorry for jumping in on this thread but I'm just back from the NCT centre to get my car registered/VRT'd. I brought it in from the UK.

Details: BMW 330i SE manual Estate
Year: 2000
Mileage: 130000

Ros VRT = 728
VRT that NCT want me to pay = 2500

I refused to pay as its not worth my while - I'll probably sell it back in the UK. I was told if I did pay I could then initiate an appeals process - but I could only appeal if I pay the amount i.e. no pay no appeal. The idea of going through an appeals process with our public servants is not something I'd have the patience for.

I asked about the inconsistency between the ROS calculation and the actual - I was told "we use a different system to ROS" :rolleyes:.

This is a complete joke - it's a 10 year old 3 litre petrol car with 130k on the clock!! You can pick up a 2000 740i for around 3k.

If anyone has any recommendations I'd appreciate hearing them.

Thanks for reading.

Seth Brundle

Lamar Purple Resistance wrote: »

where did you hear that?

Rumourmill

DonJose wrote: »

I heard they did that on airline websites but surely they can't do it on ROS.

Its the revenue - they can do what they like!

kildare.17hmr

CKurtz wrote: »

Sorry for jumping in on this thread but I'm just back from the NCT centre to get my car registered/VRT'd. I brought it in from the UK.

Details: BMW 330i SE manual Estate
Year: 2000
Mileage: 130000

Ros VRT = 728
VRT that NCT want me to pay = 2500

I refused to pay as its not worth my while - I'll probably sell it back in the UK. I was told if I did pay I could then initiate an appeals process - but I could only appeal if I pay the amount i.e. no pay no appeal. The idea of going through an appeals process with our public servants is not something I'd have the patience for.

I asked about the inconsistency between the ROS calculation and the actual - I was told "we use a different system to ROS" :rolleyes:.

This is a complete joke - it's a 10 year old 3 litre petrol car with 130k on the clock!! You can pick up a 2000 740i for around 3k.

If anyone has any recommendations I'd appreciate hearing them.

Thanks for reading.

What was the open market selling price they had for your car?

Atomic Pineapple

kbannon wrote: »

Rumourmill

Thats been reported a lot of other forums, the more you check a particular car the higher they raise the OMSP as its viewed as being more desirable, crazy.

mullingar

The VRT is simply calculated as the emissions % of the OMSP.

The 330i attracts an emissions VRT of 32%.

So according to that VRT price quoted, they reckon the OMSP is €7812. :eek::eek:

Edit:

VRT online has the OMSP @ 2276, VRT = € 728. Stat code:41985301

LOL, The NCT VRT quote is CHEAPER than the Revenue's OMSP of the car


Edit 2:

The appeals can be done in 6 weeks max. I know, I did during the boom last year. I got €600 back once it went to the stage 2 appeal. If you need more info on my successful appeal let me know

znv6i3h7kqf9ys

draffodx wrote: »

Thats been reported a lot of other forums, the more you check a particular car the higher they raise the OMSP as its viewed as being more desirable, crazy.

I'm gonna start looking at old Skoda fabias so. With any luck you should be able to get one for less than 20k when I'm done.

CKurtz

Thanks for the replies.

Re OMSP: on the Declaration form they give you to sign there is no reference to the OMSP - just the VRT amount - which is a bit suspicious. I didn't ask at the time as I was in too much of a state of shock.

I presume all is calculated based on how Mullingar outlines it.

Also on the Declaration form there is no mention of the age of the car ... just model, mileage etc. Again very suspicious (it's as if the year of the car is not taken into consideration).

Guy:Incognito

I'd say the guy misread the OMSP as the VRT amount and either didnt notice or didnt want to admit his mistake so just rode it out.

znv6i3h7kqf9ys

From the NCT website. (This should go into the scam thread)

You may be able to obtain an estimate of the VRT due from the Vehicle Registration on-line Enquiry System. While Revenue maintains an accurate valuation for all vehicles on its database, because of the variety of makes, models and versions available, the vehicle presented for registration at an NCT centre may differ significantly from a similar one on Revenue’s database resulting in a significant difference in the VRT charged to the amount you expected.

homer90

Lamar Purple Resistance wrote: »

From the NCT website. (This should go into the scam thread)

You may be able to obtain an estimate of the VRT due from the Vehicle Registration on-line Enquiry System. While Revenue maintains an accurate valuation for all vehicles on its database, because of the variety of makes, models and versions available, the vehicle presented for registration at an NCT centre may differ significantly from a similar one on Revenue’s database resulting in a significant difference in the VRT charged to the amount you expected.

While Revenue maintains an accurate valuation for all vehicles on its database.....

.... the vehicle presented for registration at an NCT centre may differ significantly from a similar one on Revenue’s database

:rolleyes:

So, you wont have a clue what VRT is gonna be, until the car is presented an an NCT centre.....

FFS

Stevie Dakota

Lamar Purple Resistance wrote: »

From the NCT website. (This should go into the scam thread)

You may be able to obtain an estimate of the VRT due from the Vehicle Registration on-line Enquiry System. While Revenue maintains an accurate valuation for all vehicles on its database, because of the variety of makes, models and versions available, the vehicle presented for registration at an NCT centre may differ significantly from a similar one on Revenue’s database resulting in a significant difference in the VRT charged to the amount you expected.

That's outrageous, so is the ROS site not worth a damn anymore?

Seth Brundle

It never really was!

Anan1

Stevie Dakota wrote: »

That's outrageous, so is the ROS site not worth a damn anymore?

Of course it is - a figure for a specific model on the ROS website should allow you to extrapolate a relatively accurate figure for a slightly different specification.

CKurtz

Anan1 wrote: »

Of course it is - a figure for a specific model on the ROS website should allow you to extrapolate a relatively accurate figure for a slightly different specification.

You'd want serious powers of extrapolation to come up with an actual rate of €2500 from a ROS quoted €728. Particularly when mine is a standard SE model i.e. it doesn't have sunroof, electric seats etc.

znv6i3h7kqf9ys

CKurtz wrote: »

You'd want serious powers of extrapolation to come up with an actual rate of €2500 from a ROS quoted €728. Particularly when mine is a standard SE model i.e. it doesn't have sunroof, electric seats etc.

What a scam. So let me get this straight. You do your budget, figure out you'll go for the SE lets say over the sport because of the vrt ROS quote you for both. You present your se spec at the nct center and get hit for a grand over budget? What will you do with the car? Bring it back to England? This is a scam. It also states that you have to provide a dated invoice. So what about private sales then?

CKurtz

Scam - it's a complete racket.

"get hit for a grand over budget?" - I'm getting hit for nearly two grand over budget (€1772 to be precise).

Invoice: It was a private sale - so you just sign a piece of paper saying how much you paid for the car. I was being honest and said I paid 4K for the car.

I'm not going to bring it in now - I'll sell it back in the UK. Which is a shame as it's absolutely beautiful (it's an SE with AC Schnitzer suspension -something the VRT people would not have known) - I was looking for over 6 months for it as the 330i manual estate with sports suspension is quite rare.

It's a complete scam - they are just trying to create uncertainty in the VRT process so that people will be less likely to import cars from the UK. As in, would I import a car again? - Not a hope. Would I recommend to someone to import a car? - Not a hope.

znv6i3h7kqf9ys

CKurtz wrote: »

Scam - it's a complete racket.

"get hit for a grand over budget?" - I'm getting hit for nearly two grand over budget (€1772 to be precise).

Invoice: It was a private sale - so you just sign a piece of paper saying how much you paid for the car. I was being honest and said I paid 4K for the car.

I'm not going to bring it in now - I'll sell it back in the UK. Which is a shame as it's absolutely beautiful (it's an SE with AC Schnitzer suspension -something the VRT people would not have known) - I was looking for over 6 months for it as the 330i manual estate with sports suspension is quite rare.

It's a complete scam - they are just trying to create uncertainty in the VRT process so that people will be less likely to import cars from the UK. As in, would I import a car again? - Not a hope. Would I recommend to someone to import a car? - Not a hope.

Yeah you are correct there about their intentions. Call Joe Duffy

Anan1

CKurtz wrote: »

You'd want serious powers of extrapolation to come up with an actual rate of €2500 from a ROS quoted €728. Particularly when mine is a standard SE model i.e. it doesn't have sunroof, electric seats etc.

That is well off. Is this current? If so, can you post the exact car details? Not saying you did, but i've heard lots of stories of people inadvertently entering the wrong details on the ROS website - E36 instead of E46, that sort of thing.

Tigger

i just entered it and got very close figures

i reckon he read out the omsp not the vrt

Tigger

kbannon wrote: »

It never really was!

i've imported about 6 time sand always paid nearly or acually exactly what the vrt calculator gave me

so i dont know what you mean

Seth Brundle

I don't believe that the VRT calculator accurately reflects the Irish prices of cars and for that reason, I don't think its worth a damn.

CKurtz

Anan1 wrote: »

That is well off. Is this current? If so, can you post the exact car details? Not saying you did, but i've heard lots of stories of people inadvertently entering the wrong details on the ROS website - E36 instead of E46, that sort of thing.

BMW e46 330i SE
Year:2000 (July)
manual
estate
petrol
130000 miles

I thought the girl in the NCT had made a mistake ... but she just shook her head and said "no mistake". Anyway it would be fairly difficult to mix up the VRT and the OMSP because on the "Declaration" form printout the OMSP is suspiciously absent. It seems to be all done on the VIN number.

They basically take the VIN number, slice and dice it to see what the car has. Which is a joke on a 10 year old car because the VIN number is not going to tell you what shape the suspension is in, tyre condition, if the gear box is hanging off the thing, whether its been Cat D'd etc.

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark - I tell you.

Voodoomelon

This new system stinks to high heaven. Having said that, do 90% of appeals for VRT overcharging get overturned?

CJhaughey

SIMI lobbying must have worked then!

Tigger

kbannon wrote: »

I don't believe that the VRT calculator accurately reflects the Irish prices of cars and for that reason, I don't think its worth a damn.

no but at least it used to tell you how much vasaline to bring