Pope UK visit mega discussion thread.

MrStuffins

prinz wrote: »

What case would this refer to?

You are unaware that The Pope, as head of the Catholic Church, is responsible for covering up Child Rape! For, in some cases, paying off families and convincing them, using their own Catholic beliefs against them in doing so, that these monsters would be dealt with internally in the Church instead of Criminally.

And are you aware that these monsters were allowed go to different towns and start the whole cycle again?

You don't think that Herr Ratzinger is criminally responsible for harbouring child rapists?

Surely you're not as ignorant as you are letting on?

prinz

elviscostello wrote: »

Sure, the world wont collapse if a couple of paedophiles lose their jobs. So, you think there are a lot more with skeletons in their closets? Why do you continue to defend them if you think that?

I don't 'defend' anyone convicted of child abuse. It's only common sense that if you are sacking one person for x issue, you make sure the person you replace them with is different.

Biggins

prinz wrote: »

Lost credibility here. Membership was automatic and compulsory. It was not some 'zealous wing of the Nazi party'.

For all that I have posted, that is the best you can come back with?
That the Hitler Youth was not a wing of the Nazi party?

Please, stop now and re-read your own words.

MrStuffins

Biggins wrote: »

For all that I have posted, that is the best you can come back with?
That the Hitler Youth was not a wing of the Nazi party?

Please, stop now and re-read your own words.

No, wait for the Ninja Edit!

prinz

MrStuffins wrote: »

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Again, what cases are you referring to?

prinz

Biggins wrote: »

For all that I have posted, that is the best you can come back with? That the Hitler Youth was not a wing of the Nazi party?
Please, stop now and re-read your own words.

It was not made up of zealous Nazis. It was made up primarily of kids who didn't know any better. I thought you were smarter than this. It's amazing how between what I said and how you responded the word ZEALOUS got dropped. Remarkably like how the word EXTREMIST got redacted from the Pope's words to paint it in a different light. Consistent at least.

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prinz wrote: »

I don't 'defend' anyone convicted of child abuse. It's only common sense that if you are sacking one person for x issue, you make sure the person you replace them with is different.

Nobody is getting sacked. Do you think Benny is going to sack people? That's good news, because I thought he wouldn't accept their resignation.

Offering resignation, they admit they were part of the child abuse. By not accepting the resignations, Benny is asking them to continue to be part of his circus church.

You're on here defending Benny. So yes, you are indirectly defending child abuse.

MrStuffins

prinz wrote: »

Again, what cases are you referring to?

So you really ARE this ignorant? Wow!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scW90Q6Z_OM

DOC09UNAM

MrStuffins wrote: »

I was asked and i provided. What's your problem?

I don't understand if it was the brilliant part, or the fact I thanked your post, but what, in the name of all that is hitlery, made you think I had a problem :pac:

Renn

Nice post on page 16 Biggins.

MrStuffins

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

I don't understand if it was the brilliant part, or the fact I thanked your post, but what, in the name of all that is hitlery, made you think I had a problem :pac:

I think my Sarcasometer is on the blink

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DOC09UNAM wrote: »

I don't understand if it was the brilliant part, or the fact I thanked your post, but what, in the name of all that is hitlery, made you think I had a problem :pac:

MrStuffins wrote: »

I think my Sarcasometer is on the blink

God bless you both.

prinz

elviscostello wrote: »

You're on here defending Benny. So yes, you are indirectly defending child abuse.

Nonsensical jump. I am on here highlighting hypocrisy, double standards and idiocy. Doesn't matter who made the speech, it could have been Hugo Chavez for all I care.

Anything after that became nonsense, that anyone with a couple of braincells to rub together should distance themselves from.

prinz

MrStuffins wrote: »

So you really ARE this ignorant? Wow!

This is almost as good as your 'proof' of Hitler "sometimes attending mass" as a good little Catholic. Seriously, just outline the cases and I can comment on them.

SuperInfinity

As an atheist myself, I do think it's over the top.

The pope is the head of a major corperation and is entitled to live and go about as he chooses. There are many people who have been/are the heads of major coorperations who have done despicable things, caused torture and death, and they're never gone after like this.

I'm sick of these people to be honest. You'd think the papal himself had done the abuse. If the pope doesn't talk about child abuse all the time these people say "the silence of the pope to the suffering of these people", if the pope says something about it they say "he wouldn't even apologise", if he apologises no matter how strongly they say: "the apology was a disgrace, it didn't go far enough." No matter what he does... these people will just shout about what a disgrace he is, it's ridiculous.

They say that pope should meet with them, but the pope is a free man and doesn't have to meet with anyone he doesn't want to. If they're really turned away from the church then why would they want to meet with him anyway? Meeting with him would be a waste of time.

I think atheists who give out the pope are kind of missing the point and perhaps secretly agnostic. A true atheist couldn't give two ****s about the pope. He is entitled to be the head of his corperation and go about and spew nonsense as he chooses... if he has to face criminal charges then they have to go through the proper avenues.

I think in fact that he should sue for slander and harassment, he shouldn't have to put up with that. Let the people who are against him explode, get some good PR in, and don't mind how the mainstream press might react at first as after a while they'll see it makes sense.

Dr Strange

Biggins wrote: »

Really?

In 1943, at 16, Joseph Ratzinger was transferred to the elite Maximillian Grinner School in Munich, where he worked in an arms factory. From the age of 14 he was a member of the Hitler Youth movement, the zealous schoolboy wing of the Nazi Party. These facts are not secret — they are in the Cardinal’s autobiography Milestones — Memoirs 1927-77 — but they raise questions that cannot be easily answered........etc pp!

Now I first thought you actually wrote that by yourself but then I found this here:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article383551.ece

The rhetoric is as expected quite agitated "zealous schoolboy wing", "stamped with nazi emblems", "subjects such as biology and history which were taught by the nazis"...etc.

Of course every subject was taught by national socialists (mostly) as the school system had been taken over. That happened to all schools and thinking you had to be a particularly devout juvenile nazi to join a particular nazi school is incorrect but seems to be implied by the article. Same for the "emblems", every official paper and that meant documents, passports, school certificates, sport club logbooks etc would have swastika and eagles and other items such as runes printed on them. Again, these were the officially state introduced signes and symbols.

I don't care about Ratzinger etc. but using his Hitler Youth membership as a justification for his responisbility or lack of responisbility as a church member and now head of his church doesn't hold any water.

Biggins

prinz wrote: »

It was not made up of zealous Nazis. It was made up primarily of kids who didn't know any better...

Kids that were indoctrinated with Nazi ideology and he wasn't the youngest of the kids by the way, he was 2/3 years away from being a legal adult!
In fact the pope revelled in Nazi theory, history and practise so much, that he excelled in his exams at it! Its all on record.

Yet suspiciously, suddenly when it became very quickly obvious that the German NAZI party and its members were to be defeated and held accountable, suddenly there was a "change of heart" - nice timing!

He joined the NAZI party, He joined the Army.
He was tutored by one of Germany's top church Nazi's. He excelled in the areas involved - but when it became clear in '45 that Nazi's was on the losing side, coincidently he had a change of heart.

Sorry, you might and do disagree with me and many but some of us see it as the records stand - and that included his own church, biographer and himself that say he "joined" - only later after the war to be spun as "he was forced" by Rome!
I wonder why?

MrStuffins

prinz wrote: »

This is almost as good as your proof of Hitler "sometimes attending mass" as a good little Catholic.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

So you are now DENYING that the Catholic Church covered up Child Rape?

Oh my word!

I can't believe i've been arguing with you for the past couple of hours. if i'd have known what i do now i wouldn't have bothered!

You're definately a troll!

Tristram

Do you think the criticism of the pope is over the top? Yes, and, no.

Biggins

Preusse wrote: »

Now I first thought you actually wrote that by yourself but then I found this here:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article383551.ece

Indeed. Its partly summarised - and goes further to show what on official record.
So for all the spin put on it by many, many facts still stand.

veritable

elviscostello wrote: »

Nobody is getting sacked. Do you think Benny is going to sack people? That's good news, because I thought he wouldn't accept their resignation.

Offering resignation, they admit they were part of the child abuse. By not accepting the resignations, Benny is asking them to continue to be part of his circus church.

You're on here defending Benny. So yes, you are indirectly defending child abuse.

The church F*cked up. Everybody knows that.

But why are there no aggressive attacks on the Gardai, health services and govt ministers who were all aware of the abuse??????

Where is the consistency?

AnonoBoy

That sounds like Pope Lover talk to me boy.

*plucks banjo*

ancapailldorcha

No. Maybe add a poll?

DOC09UNAM

elviscostello wrote: »

God bless you both.

The G word is forbidden here.

But may Hitler bless you too.

Kasabian

Prepare for the wrath of the Atheists and Jakkass

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Tea and Toasted sandwich anyone ?


I have no idea what this post is about

MrStuffins

veritable wrote: »

The church F*cked up. Everybody knows that.

Prinz doesn't!

You'd call this a "**** up"?

so, someone is raping your child and your brother knows about it. Not only does he not tell you, but he protects this rapist and facilitates his escape from you and the law.

Would you say: "Ah it's alright, you just ****ed up is all!"

TheZohanS

SuperInfinity wrote: »

Do you think the criticism of the pope is over the top?

He's the CEO of the Catholic Church, should have been fired ages ago.

Morlar

Biggins wrote: »

From the age of 14 he was a member of the Hitler Youth movement,

This was compulsory.

Biggins wrote: »

His report card, marked “Air Force Assistant Report” and stamped with Nazi emblems,

Every shred of official documentation from that period was 'stamped with nazi emblems'. Even postage stamps were stamped with nazi emblems. Farmers journal magazine, sheet metalworkers magazine you name it and it and it was ominously 'stamped with nazi symbols'.

Biggins wrote: »

The transfer to Maximillian — then, as now, one of the best schools in Germany — probably came under the wing of his mentor, the Archbishop of Munich, Cardinal Michael Faulhaber.
Note that name that was tutoring him!

What do you mean 'probably' ?

Biggins wrote: »

Cardinal Faulhaber was ambiguous. In 1936 he met Hitler and Rudolf Hess in Obersalzberg.

He met the national leader. Big whooooo..

Biggins wrote: »

Hitler spoke about the Bolshevik threat to Faulhaber, to the Church and the Nazis.

If you look at how the christian church was persecuted in communist Russia I see no problem with that being a natural topic of discussion in that context.

Biggins wrote: »

The Cardinal agreed and criticised “atheistic” Jews for funding communism.

Perhaps you can post the quote ? He would not have been alone in 1936 concluding a disproportionate jewish influence within bolshevism.Winston Churchill also wrote a famous article reaching the very same conclusion.

Biggins wrote: »

He then asked Hitler to stop criticising the Catholic Church.

And this proves they were in alignment somehow ? There fore this 'alignment' somehow transferred to the pupil who 70+ yrs later is the pope ?

Biggins wrote: »

Cardinal Faulhaber made other anti-Semitic remarks, openly supported the Second World War and condemned the 1944 plot on Hitler’s life.

Why not post a few of the quotes for these 3 statements ?

Even so you are grasping. One of the popes tutors allegedly made anti-semitic remarks, 'supported' the second world war & condemned the 1944 stauffenberg plot (for some unknown reason).

Biggins wrote: »

This was thee man that was tutoring the present pope while the young man was in the party/army which by the way on a report stamped by the Nazi's says that he was industrious and exceptional in the afore mentioned subjects of biology and history.
The boy showed all signs that he revelled in what he was involved in.

This is drivel and not the sort of post I would expect from you.

Biggins wrote: »

When the time came that German and the Party was on its last legs, then came this sudden change of heart by many it seems.

You would prefer he had deserted earlier in the war to be rounded up by the gestapo and put in a camp (if he was lucky) ? If it's a choice between that and deserting later in the war then if I was going to desert I know which I'd have chosen.

admiralofthefleet

so the animal is calling itself a nazi

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prinz wrote: »

Nonsensical jump. I am on here highlighting hypocrisy, double standards and idiocy. Doesn't matter who made the speech, it could have been Hugo Chavez for all I care.

Anything after that became nonsense, that anyone with a couple of braincells to rub together should distance themselves from.

Why are you dismissing what I am saying as nonsensical? You have been defending him here. You are like inspector fúcking morse here asking for evidence for everything and you wont answer a simple question.

If the thread was about most other people or institutions, child abuse would never have been brought up.

You never answered my question about him sacking people. Is he sacking people? I hadn't heard anything about it.

veritable wrote: »

The church F*cked up. Everybody knows that.

But why are there no aggressive attacks on the Gardai, health services and govt ministers who were all aware of the abuse??????

Where is the consistency?

Because this thread is about Pope Benny.