Games forum re-merge

Silverfish

Sorry, I should be more clear.

It is the decision of the admins that the Poker forum remains where it is.

We will not be moving the Poker forum. We will not be creating a separate category for every genre of game, be it board, card, computer or whatever.

If you wish to start a thread in the Feedback forum to make the request to the Admin team separately to request that Poker be moved, then please feel free, but there is no further point discussing it within this thread.

PogMoThoin

Silverfish wrote: »

Sorry, I should be more clear.

It is the decision of the admins that the Poker forum remains where it is.

We will not be moving the Poker forum. We will not be creating a separate category for every genre of game, be it board, card, computer or whatever.

If you wish to start a thread in the Feedback forum to make the request to the Admin team separately to request that Poker be moved, then please feel free, but there is no further point discussing it within this thread.

Thats not what He's arguing, if the poker users get to decide upon the future of the poker forum, why cant video gamers decide theirs? What I see is admins and mods lumping all games threads into one forum, upsetting the pc gamers, who have no forum of their own (and no reason given as why they don't)

super_furry

Great news and a long overdue return to a forum that was overly fragmented and stiffled.

quarryman

PogMoThoin wrote: »

Well page 3 the, its still cluttered with shíte in here. Its a huge step backwards for Boards, not forwards. Games forum used be nice with lots of threads about best games, fav games, best cut scenes etc, not specific to any console, say bye bye to these as the forum fills with console games that should be in their own forums

The only thing that is getting cluttered with shíte is this thread with your posts.

PogMoThoin wrote: »

Games forum used be nice with lots of threads about best games,

it still is.

PogMoThoin wrote: »

fav games

Still there.

PogMoThoin wrote: »

best cut scenes etc

This thread has never existed in the Games forum.

PogMoThoin wrote: »

say bye bye to these as the forum fills with console games that should be in their own forums

Please name these "Console Games".

I see Assassin's Creed, Medal of Honor, Fallout : NV, Sonic 4, Dead Rising 2, Red Dead.

ALL of them are multi-platform. There is no reason to have multiple mega-threads for these across console forums.

You keep attempting to paint a doomsday picture with this. Interesting that you gave no suggestions when this thread was first created. Nothing constructive at all.

ntlbell

PogMoThoin wrote: »

Thats not what He's arguing, if the poker users get to decide upon the future of the poker forum, why cant video gamers decide theirs? What I see is admins and mods lumping all games threads into one forum, upsetting the pc gamers, who have no forum of their own (and no reason given as why they don't)

The console forums if they're for tehcnical discussion, and that's the only forum they have then the PC gamers have plenty of forums for technical discussion.

Windows and linux fora for the OS

Tweaking and modding

Building and upgrading

Graphics

etc etc

I think that's enough!

Retr0gamer

To answer your question neokubrickIi don't think having the Poker forum is a hinderence to users of the forum looking for games. I've no interest in poker and therefore I never click on it or even notice it there. The same way I've no interest in the massively multiplayer forum, I don't even notice it there. When I log into boards I go to the drop down menu I open a tab for games and a tab for arcade and retro and then for the console forums. Now the console forums are gone I've only two to tab. I don't see why it's so hard for newbie users to just ignore forums they have no interest in.

quarryman

super_furry wrote: »

Great news and a long overdue return to a forum that was overly fragmented and stiffled.

True. I gotta say its looking much better already. Finally the Games section might get the activity back it used to have. I won't have to click through 4 different threads on the same game to catch all the discussion.

Nice one.

Retr0gamer

PogMoThoin wrote: »

Thats not what He's arguing, if the poker users get to decide upon the future of the poker forum, why cant video gamers decide theirs? What I see is admins and mods lumping all games threads into one forum, upsetting the pc gamers, who have no forum of their own (and no reason given as why they don't)

We did let the users decide what they wanted. This discussion was on going in this thread for ages. You didn't speak up. Also there's no need for a PC technical forum when there'sones already in the tech section. Or are you too elitist to mix with the console gamers?

F1ngers

quarryman wrote: »

True. I gotta say its looking much better already. Finally the Games section might get the activity back it used to have. I won't have to click through 4 different threads on the same game to catch all the discussion.

Nice one.

FYP...

Penn

PogMoThoin wrote: »

Thats not what He's arguing, if the poker users get to decide upon the future of the poker forum, why cant video gamers decide theirs?

I'm sorry, but what do you think this thread was about? Almost 20 pages worth of posts to determine if some sort of action needed to be taken to increase the level of posting, expand a gaming community and try and reduce the areas where threads can be posted so people don't miss out on news or threads they might be interested in. Basically, to increase discussion. A lot of people were in favour of some sort of change, so some changes are being tried out.

PogMoThoin wrote: »

What I see is admins and mods lumping all games threads into one forum, upsetting the pc gamers, who have no forum of their own (and no reason given as why they don't)

As far as I know, the Games forum will be for discussing games, whether they be multiformat/PC/PS3 etc. Games will be for discussion of the games. The Console-specific forums will become forums where people can just discuss the consoles themselves. Trouble getting online, matchmaking, can't connect to XBL etc. As for a PC one, maybe there should be one, for PC gaming related issues or discussions (about the PCs, not games).

However, the measures implemented today are just one step, to see if it improves things which a lot of people felt needed to be improved. It would have been impossible if a load of new forums were made, merged or deleted in one go. So if you think there should be a PC subforum, suggest one, and it'll be taken into consideration.

humanji

NeoKubrick wrote: »

It isn't the 'Computer Games' section; otherwise all the other 'Computer Games' forum and sub-forums would be included. Unless your argument is that Fighting Games and Arcade & Retro and the dozen other forums don't revolve one or more 'Computer Games', there isn't a unified category.

Seriously, you're just desperately trying to be obtuse. There is a games section of this site. Within that section there is a subforum called "games". This is for computer games. It's quite simple. Renaming it "Computer Games" isn't necessary because people can figure it out quite easily and anyone who doesn't can be helkpfully guided to the forum they're looking for.

Then there are other sub-forums that are dedicated to certain genres and specific games. This is what the main problem is. It's bulky and a bit of housekeeping would make it nice and tidy.

What are also sub-forums are various non-computer games. They are still games and as such, have a place in the "Games" category. There's no point sendign them off elsewhere as they belong in the games section. It doesn't matter if computer games are more popular. Poker is more popular than all the other game fora put together, so should the rest of them be moved off to the Rec category?

It's not rocket science. And if you're desperate for an answer to a question that really means nothing here, moving the Poker forum would be a hinderence.

TouchingVirus

Time for me to jump back into this thread to applaud the mods & admins for actually making a decision instead of pussyfooting around the issue. Jump in the whole way and we'll see how it goes but in my mind this is one where the community spoke up and actively sought out opinions for changes that worked for the Games category and community.

I think it's the right decision myself, but I guess time will tell for the naysayers. I will re-read the thread when I get a chance to see what was actually decided upon apart from the Games discussion the Games forum

PogMoThoin

Retr0gamer wrote: »

We did let the users decide what they wanted. This discussion was on going in this thread for ages. You didn't speak up. Also there's no need for a PC technical forum when there'sones already in the tech section. Or are you too elitist to mix with the console gamers?

I did contribute, but I realize I'm in the minority here. I'm not at all elitist, I've lots of consoles, just not a modern one as my pc does much more. I've no problems with games threads being bundled here, many are multiplatform. Its just lots of other threads are console specific and shouldn't be here. Here's the threads on the first page of games that shouldn't be in here;

Microsoft Spending Half a Billion on Kinect Launch......belongs in xbox, xbox related
And Yet It Moves Competition [WiiWare]......belongs in Nintendo, wii related
Professor Leyton v Phoenix Wright.........belongs in Nintendo, Nds related but Ok its game related
Ninty 3DS hype? Where is it boards.........belongs in Nintendo, Nds related
GT 5.............Ps3 ecclusive, belongs in Playstation
pc graphics card.............shouldn't have been closed, should've been moved, lazy modding

Retr0gamer

PogMoThoin wrote: »

Microsoft Spending Half a Billion on Kinect Launch......belongs in xbox, xbox related
And Yet It Moves Competition [WiiWare]......belongs in Nintendo, wii related
Professor Leyton v Phoenix Wright.........belongs in Nintendo, Nds related but Ok its game related
Ninty 3DS hype? Where is it boards.........belongs in Nintendo, Nds related
GT 5.............Ps3 ecclusive, belongs in Playstation
pc graphics card.............shouldn't have been closed, should've been moved, lazy modding

Well the console forums don't exist anymore like they used to. Try it out for a while see if it works. It used to. Gaming discussion belongs in the gaming forum. So far it's been exceeding my expectations with how manageable it's been.

As for the lazy modding, I pointed the user where to post instead of sending the post off to a forum where the user wouldn't find it again.

NeoKubrick

humanji wrote: »

Seriously, you're just desperately trying to be obtuse. There is a games section of this site. Within that section there is a subforum called "games". This is for computer games. It's quite simple. Renaming it "Computer Games" isn't necessary because people can figure it out quite easily and anyone who doesn't can be helkpfully guided to the forum they're looking for.

Then there are other sub-forums that are dedicated to certain genres and specific games. This is what the main problem is. It's bulky and a bit of housekeeping would make it nice and tidy.

What are also sub-forums are various non-computer games. They are still games and as such, have a place in the "Games" category. There's no point sendign them off elsewhere as they belong in the games section. It doesn't matter if computer games are more popular. Poker is more popular than all the other game fora put together, so should the rest of them be moved off to the Rec category?

It's not rocket science. And if you're desperate for an answer to a question that really means nothing here, moving the Poker forum would be a hinderence.

There isn't a 'Computer Game' category on this site. I scarcely understand why you want to convince yourself, let alone others, of that. A rough guess-estimate of the combined posts of all 'Computer Games' forums is over one million posts, and the Poker forum has over 600,000. There is no point bringing up incorrect information: either your point can stand on its own or it cannot. Moving the Poker may be a hindrance to the webmasters of this site, but it would not be a hindrance to any 'Computer Game' user and that's the crux of this discussion (should, not 'can', it be moved).

Retr0gamer wrote: »

To answer your question neokubrickIi don't think having the Poker forum is a hinderence to users of the forum looking for games. I've no interest in poker and therefore I never click on it or even notice it there. The same way I've no interest in the massively multiplayer forum, I don't even notice it there. When I log into boards I go to the drop down menu I open a tab for games and a tab for arcade and retro and then for the console forums. Now the console forums are gone I've only two to tab. I don't see why it's so hard for newbie users to just ignore forums they have no interest in.

You can't speak for the general experience of 'users' and then qualify it with your personal experience. The facts are that forums incongruous to 'Computer Games' take space on the main category page and unnecessarily add space to the category page for 'Computer Game' users. That effects every 'Computer Game' user who browses the Games category. It doesn't effect you as much, because you have an interest in only two forums, but scale up interest and you cannot periodically check ten forums all the time. I ignore a lot of forums on Boards, because they are conveniently separated. That's what should be the case, here, and that is the whole point.

Silverfish wrote: »

Sorry, I should be more clear.

It is the decision of the admins that the Poker forum remains where it is.

We will not be moving the Poker forum. We will not be creating a separate category for every genre of game, be it board, card, computer or whatever.

If you wish to start a thread in the Feedback forum to make the request to the Admin team separately to request that Poker be moved, then please feel free, but there is no further point discussing it within this thread.

So, it's the decision of the admins that Poker forum remains, and that the admins will not be moving the Poker forum and will not be creating a separate category for 'Computer Games'. If that's the case, why are you asking me to futilely post a request in the Feedback section? Honestly, you should create the thread, because you have so far failed to logically respond to any of my points and you should search for answers as to why that's the case. I'm sure that other users are interested, too.

johnny_ultimate

I am fully behind this move for one simple reasons: because I love discussing video games. Now, if I want to discuss the merits of a particular title, I know exactly where to go There have been loads of times even in the last week where I've struggled to find the place to discuss something. I was playing Castlevania Lords of Shadow. The two format specific forums had a thread on it (I think, definitely PS), as well as one in the main game forum. I chose that one, as it seemed busiest. Now, all the people who were discussing that game - and the core game, bar a post or two about miniscule format differences, is identical on both consoles - can discuss it together. Isn't one thread with all the users playing it participating a good idea, as opposed to three discussions splitting said group on a fairly irrelevant division? While a 'issue with game saves in Castlevania' was a PS3 specific problem, that probably deserves a technical thread in the dedicated forum. But discussions on the combat system, story etc... shall hopefully now be centralised.

I don't agree with tags, because I'm not really sure what problem (if there even is one) it would be solving. I would only read a multiformat game magazine, as the format specific ones tend to stifle discussion. They usually don't spend reams of paper discussing technical differences between versions, they just discuss the game in depth. If there are a few posts like 'what console do I get this on' in this new mega games forum, sure they're easily skippable! None of us are forcing you to click on a thread you don't like, just move on if you don't want to discuss Metroid: Other M.

I also mod the film forum, because I love discussing film. I'd be annoyed if suddenly everything was divided into tags like [cinema] or [DVD] or [download]. OK, that's not the same thing really, but in a film thread about Inception we're discussing Inception as a movie, the qualities of which aren't going to change based on the medium you watched it in (although everyone knows the cinema is best :pac:). That's what I want from this games forum - simply to discuss games, and now hopefully minus some of the ultimately unnecessary nitpicking . Once you get past the occasional "PC haz better graphics" or "mouse and keyboard ftw", in all fairness we're all going to be playing what is pretty much the same version of Fallout: New Vegas - the atmosphere, missions, game design etc... are all going to be the same, especially these days when (barring the input method each gamer has chosen) games differ very little indeed between consoles.

It's vital to remember that threads like 'looking for FIFA players on PS3' are still welcome in the format specific ones: in fact, I'm sure most people will welcome the main discussion not being disrupted by that kind of topic. And the few truly specialist and 'clique' forums (Arcade and Retro and Fighting Games, for example, were never on the cards for deletion) are going to remain. But the key change is that now the pointlessness of having three or more threads on one game based on a often unnecessary distinction is gone. A handful of you might be clicking into a different forum now, granted. But there'll be more people there, the format distinction is still there for when it really is necessary, and we can all just get on discussing this wonderful hobby of ours in some sort of unison. To that I say huzzah!

Retr0gamer

I fail to see how having the Poker forum in the games drop down menu would negatively affect anyone using the site other than people with a poker phobia.

RolandIRL

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I fail to how having the Poker forum in the games drop down menu would negatively affect anyone using the site other than people with a poker phobia.

You don't even have to scroll past it from the drop-down menu to get to the Games forum :pac:

johnny_ultimate

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I fail to see how having the Poker forum in the games drop down menu would negatively affect anyone using the site other than people with a poker phobia.

You could accidentally click into it when looking to post about Wolfenstein and become a gambling addict.

Silverfish

NeoKubrick wrote: »

So, it's the decision of the admins that Poker forum remains, and that the admins will not be moving the Poker forum and will not be creating a separate category for 'Computer Games'. If that's the case, why are you asking me to futilely post a request in the Feedback section? Honestly, you should create the thread, because you have so far failed to logically respond to any of my points and you should search for answers as to why that's the case. I'm sure that other users are interested, too.

I'll admit I can't possibly make any sense out of how the Poker forum being listed in the dropdown menu has any impact on anyone using any of the other games forums.
If you can explain exactly why a strip a few millimetres high is bothering you so much, I might be able to present it to the admin team in such a way that it be taken on board.
I just thought that rather than you tell me, then me relaying it in the Feedback forum on your behalf, and then you having to answer any further questions asked, that you might like to present it yourself.

It doesn't hinder me in any way from accessing any of the games forums in the dropdown menu, so I'm not really able to argue this on your behalf.

humanji

NeoKubrick wrote: »

There isn't a 'Computer Game' category on this site. I scarcely understand why you want to convince yourself, let alone others, of that.

Ah you've got to be taking the piss. Right, we'll ask the mods.

Can any games mod tell us whether or not the games sub-forum is where computer games are discussed?

NeoKubrick wrote: »

A rough guess-estimate of the combined posts of all 'Computer Games' forums is over one million posts, and the Poker forum has over 600,000. There is no point bringing up incorrect information: either your point can stand on its own or it cannot.

I said it was the most popular forum, and it is. Plain and simple. I don't even know why you'd bother arguing the point, take a look in there.

Moving the Poker may be a hindrance to the webmasters of this site, but it would not be a hindrance to any 'Computer Game' user and that's the crux of this discussion (should, not 'can', it be moved).

It'll be a hinderence to the regular poker users who now have to go to a different place to find their forum, to the not so regular poker users who won't know where their forum has gone, to outside sources who won't know where it's gone and to users of the Games forum who will have to get used to an altered list of sub-forums.

As opposed to...letting it stay there because it's a game and this is a games forum.

A-Trak

I for one think this merge is bloody brilliant.
Well played.

honru

I likes this development, might see myself actually use the Games forum regularly again.

Retr0gamer

Haven't seen you around in ages

Jazzy

Wheres the section on attention seeking girls that only play video games to get attention off boys neokubrick?
how about you stop trying to be far cleverer then you actually are and stop taking over threads with head --> desk posts & opinions and look at the forum in a more practical way. im not too big on this change but fuk it, ill give it a go

Grayditch

We should get some fun stuff...


PS3 User

How do I climb down?

Xbox 360 User

Press X

PS3 User

I just jumped to my death, cheers

PC User

I just closed my game window, thanks a lot

Overheal

I think those issues can be overcome easily. Users will get quickly familiar with discussing the games in a cross-platform thread.

NeoKubrick

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I fail to see how having the Poker forum in the games drop down menu would negatively affect anyone using the site other than people with a poker phobia.

Silverfish wrote: »

I'll admit I can't possibly make any sense out of how the Poker forum being listed in the dropdown menu has any impact on anyone using any of the other games forums.
If you can explain exactly why a strip a few millimetres high is bothering you so much, I might be able to present it to the admin team in such a way that it be taken on board.
I just thought that rather than you tell me, then me relaying it in the Feedback forum on your behalf, and then you having to answer any further questions asked, that you might like to present it yourself.

It doesn't hinder me in any way from accessing any of the games forums in the dropdown menu, so I'm not really able to argue this on your behalf.

There has been absolutely no mention of the dropdown box by anyone other than yourselves. The discussion has been on the main Games category page. Hence, it is a hindrance to a 'Computer Game' user to have Poker, Miniature Gaming, Toys & Boardgames positioned on the main category page. It means taking the position of a more relevant forum to 'Computer Game' interests and it means extra scrolling to the many 'Computer Game' sub-forums on the bottom of the page. I'm sure you agree that if you cannot keep up with a discussion, there's little point participating in it.

Silverfish, you haven't resolved how if it's the decision of the admins that the Poker forum remains, and that the admins will not be moving the Poker forum and will not be creating a separate category for 'Computer Games', I or anyone else is to create a feedback thread with the aim of convincing a group that will not cede to logic or reason. You haven't, and expressly said so on behalf of the admins.

humanji wrote: »

Ah you've got to be taking the piss. Right, we'll ask the mods.

Can any games mod tell us whether or not the games sub-forum is where computer games are discussed?
I said it was the most popular forum, and it is. Plain and simple. I don't even know why you'd bother arguing the point, take a look in there.

It'll be a hinderence to the regular poker users who now have to go to a different place to find their forum, to the not so regular poker users who won't know where their forum has gone, to outside sources who won't know where it's gone and to users of the Games forum who will have to get used to an altered list of sub-forums.

As opposed to...letting it stay there because it's a game and this is a games forum.

I used the term 'Computer Games' and enclosed it in quote marks to encompass all the Game forums excluding Poker, Toys, Miniature et cetera which what would be deemed as the 'Computer Game' category. This was for clarity. Obviously, you misunderstood this, and you were attempting to convince everyone that there already exists such category with all the necessary other 'Computer Game' forums (Retro, Fighting, Strategy, Competitive etc.).

You also said that Poker had a bigger total of posts than all of the other game forums combined, which was incorrect, and on the basis of this incorrect information, you made the point that all the game forums should be moved to the Rec category. Therefore, I pointed out to you your wrong information and thus your invalid point. Again, 'plain and simple' isn't dressing your argument up with wrong information.

No one said it wouldn't be a hindrance to the Poker users, but it's substantially more of a hindrance to 'Computer Game' users. All of those cited hindrances you list would be brief and quickly adjusted to; the same cannot be said of the other.

Jazzy wrote: »

Wheres the section on attention seeking girls that only play video games to get attention off boys neokubrick?
how about you stop trying to be far cleverer then you actually are and stop taking over threads with head --> desk posts & opinions and look at the forum in a more practical way. im not too big on this change but fuk it, ill give it a go

Presumably, in the section on attention-seekers, and sadly, you've become quite the expert. I don't lower my standards of debate to the level that certain people only feel comfortable with, Jazzy. Anyway, this isn't the thread for you to embarrass me with calls to take back what I said about your Quake. You used to be one of the top posters here - boards own Johnny Giles, but ever since that cringe-worthy post in the United forum, you've lost your way like Dunphy looking for car insurance in an AA meeting.

Jazzy

hitting me in the Quake. low blow man

Retr0gamer

Can't you just say you want games changed to something like computer games and leave it that simple. I've been dealing with this crap all day on top of trying to write a phd thesis. I hope that the posters here can put two and two together and realise that the games forum in the games category is for computer games when they visits these forums so probably not a need. It's a bit of a non-issue I feel.