DoneDeal no-hunting/shooting policy - Read mod note #138

kildare.17hmr

No6 wrote: »

its easy enough to manage leaving the word "Lamping" out and to just use the brand name lightforce or whatever, we all know what it is for!!

but the fact that you cant use the word lamping and say what the lamp is for is not right and is sort of saying we are doing something wrong, we all know the score but when joe blogs public reads the T&Cs he may think its illegal and that may cause trouble for someone down the line

No6

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

but the fact that you cant use the word lamping and say what the lamp is for is not right and is sort of saying we are doing something wrong, we all know the score but when joe blogs public reads the T&Cs he may think its illegal and that may cause trouble for someone down the line

How about "excellent for illuminating large areas!!" or "perfect for finding missing pets or livestock!!":D

kildare.17hmr

No6 wrote: »

How about "excellent for illuminating large areas!!" or "perfect for finding missing pets or livestock!!":D

and if your into looking at cuddly foxes at night time, this be your man:D

No6

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

and if your into looking at cuddly foxes at night time, this be your man:D

I am sure lots of people other than hunters use these lamps, wildlife rangers, animal conservationists, ecologists, academic researchers farmers...and people who like looking at cute and cuddly foxes!!!:D

johngalway

There are "marine" versions for boating too.

smokin ace

shock horror done deal wont change some of its policys i knew this would happen so done deal wont be getting my busisness again

4gun

Donna said previously that they have up to 1+1/2 million visitors to their site monthly ...I might add that this would include multiple hits from individual persons ( I visit the site on ave once a day) which is maybe 30+ times /month.
Already several persons from this site have declared a boycott...How many hits does that add up to in a month.....might only a drop in the ocean

Grizzly 45

Yeah,and do you buy somthing each time you visit the site 4gun??Just having hits on a site doesnt mean you are getting money from it.
How many antis wrote into donedeal to spook them.3 or 4?? If we are a drop in the ocean,they are a molecule of hydrogen!
Anywhich way,any site that is advertising dodgy cars and fake brand names is going to come a cropper sooner or later.So maybe in a backhanded way the antis have done us a favour,as maybe once the media discover this trade in illict goods,they wont be able to exclaim in shock and horror that legal GUNS were being sold there too!!

endasmail

thanks for your replies Donna
i hope ya dont mind me saying ,but it must be hard working in an office with people or peoples who are so ignorant to a certain way of life and sport that they can completely dismiss it out of hand

patbundy

lads i had to laugh when i saw this
http://www.biker.ie/forum/showthread.php?t=130991

newmug

They allow gun safes to be sold

smokin ace

patbundy wrote: »

lads i had to laugh when i saw this
http://www.biker.ie/forum/showthread.php?t=130991

to be honest donna is doing her best with all of this and i think its not her fault at least she is trying to find some where lads can sell firearms but i still think the powers that be at done deal are making a big mistake with not allowing the sale of scopes and safes as these dont require any paper work from the law and not relaxing the policys on such words as lamping

DonnaDoneDeal

Hi lads,

Sorry that we weren't able to facilitate you guys better, I would just like to clarify that it is not the owner that is against anything, he also completely understands the views brought up here, actually, all the team do. The licensing laws make it far too difficult for us to update the policy to allow the sale of firearms, specialised sites have the time and resources to focus on policing this, we would not as we are much broader site.

We allow the sale of gun safes, but not scopes or ammunition or silencers.

We have 1.5 unique visitors to the site each month, the site is actually visited over 5 million times a month from people coming back several times.

Our decision was not made from siding with any anti campaign, it was made solely from what we can moderate. I know this is no consolation to you guys and am sorry that we could not see a way to improve this situation for you guys at this time. So for any of you guys that we will loose, I'm very sorry to hear that but wish you the very best of luck with your future advertising.

I have contacted the Gardai in regards to the car ads that were falsely advertising their engine size on our site. We will certainly deal with this matter and any other issues that you have raised here as best we can.
Any ads that you see on our site that you have concerns about, please report them to us by clicking the "Report Ad" link beside the ad.

Again, I'm genuinely sorry that I couldn't have brought you some better news. But do feel free to contact me here, or through DoneDeal if I can ever help you or you have any issue that you think I could help with.

Private Snafu

Donna I'm just curious as to why DD do not allow the sale of scopes (seeing as anyone with or without a firearms licence can purchase them legally)?

smokin ace

donna thanks for coming back to us and everyone here has lots of respect for you for doing that but one question why cant we use the word lamping in the adds seen as lamping is not illegal why do we have to pick our words to place an add

kildare.17hmr

lperrozzi wrote: »

Donna I'm just curious as to why DD do not allow the sale of scopes (seeing as anyone with or without a firearms licence can purchase them legally)?

I think thats the big question, we all accept the not selling firearms as they require paperwork ect but scopes, silencers and other gun accesories can be sold to anyone of any age without restriction, some people who enjoy looking at birds and other wildlife use rifle scopes!

smokin ace

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

I think thats the big question, we all accept the not selling firearms as they require paperwork ect but scopes, silencers and other gun accesories can be sold to anyone of any age without restriction, some people who enjoy looking at birds and other wildlife use rifle scopes!

i would have to pick you up on the silencer thing you need a permit off the guards to hold and use a silencer

kildare.17hmr

smokin ace wrote: »

i would have to pick you up on the silencer thing you need a permit off the guards to hold and use a silencer

licence to use not to buy, my 16 yr old brother could walk in and buy one and he has no FAC

pedroeibar1

DonnaDoneDeal wrote: »

Hi lads,

Sorry that we weren't able to facilitate you guys better, I would just like to clarify that it is not the owner that is against anything, he also completely understands the views brought up here, actually, all the team do. The licensing laws make it far too difficult for us to update the policy to allow the sale of firearms, specialised sites have the time and resources to focus on policing this, we would not as we are much broader site.

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I have contacted the Gardai in regards to the car ads that were falsely advertising their engine size on our site.
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Personally I don't care whether DD carries shooting adverts or not. What I do find intriguing is the complete lack of morality in the principles shown by DD's management. The Road Traffic Acts too are complex, but it is very easy to understand that advertising a 1.6 turbo as a 1.3 is a means of evading tax and insurance regulations. That however does not stop DD from posting those ads.. If there was any ethical judgement being shown by DD, those adverts would have been taken down, as would those for the counterfeit goods. It is easy to do.

Telling the Gardai about the cars is a cop-out. Clearly DD's greasy fingers are more interested in the till, the $ is more important than any basic standard of commercial morality. Shame on DD!
P.

Dusty87

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

The Road Traffic Acts too are complex, but it is very easy to understand that advertising a 1.6 turbo as a 1.3 is a means of evading tax and insurance regulations.

Also allows a 17yr old to insure it on a provisional licence when more than likely if the real engine size and bhp was known it would more than likely be 21yrs (if not 25, depending on car), no claims, an full licence!!

Gun Shy

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

Personally I don't care whether DD carries shooting adverts or not. What I do find intriguing is the complete lack of morality in the principles shown by DD's management. The Road Traffic Acts too are complex, but it is very easy to understand that advertising a 1.6 turbo as a 1.3 is a means of evading tax and insurance regulations. That however does not stop DD from posting those ads.. If there was any ethical judgement being shown by DD, those adverts would have been taken down, as would those for the counterfeit goods. It is easy to do.

Shame on DD!
P.

Donna thanks for getting back to us on the questions posed, I appreciate that it is not your decision to make however I am really disapointed on the outcome however not too supprised if I'm being honest.

Speaking for myself only I would have hoped that some sense of fair play and backbone would have been shown in some respects on this matter.

Your notices in relation to Dogs/Puppies and copyright DVD's and CD's could equally be applied in relation to Firearms and their accessories. Indeed I would go so far as to say that DD's policy appears to be to include a disclaimer and reserve the right to remove items from listings should they fall outside your rules and Regs etc. ie you have to specify "NOT COPIES" in relation to DVD's etc.

A logical step should then be applied to firearms etc. and the same or similar T&C applying. After all were talking about Legal items here and not illegal activity so a statement could be included in the add "this item requires a licence etc etc etc.
What extra paperwork is involved Do you inspect each logbook check that the NCT is in date. Do you inspect the papers for the dogs/puppies the list is endless.
There is no legal reason why firearms cant le advertised on DD (granted a disclaimer as mentioned above may be required) I wold love to see a decision taken on the facts as presented for once.
BTW I for one will continue to use DD despite all this carry on

"DOWN WITH THIS SORT OF THING"

rrpc

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

licence to use not to buy, my 16 yr old brother could walk in and buy one and he has no FAC

Under the firearms act, a sliencer is considered to be a firearm; possession of which, without a licence/authorisation is an offence.

Dusty87

rrpc, i think he means you can buy one without showing any authorisation for one. such as the 's' on licence

kildare.17hmr

rrpc wrote: »

Under the firearms act, a sliencer is considered to be a firearm; possession of which, without a licence/authorisation is an offence.

if thats the case i may tell my local RFD who told me otherwise. his exact words, "you dont need a licence to buy one but if you put it on your gun you will need a licence for it"

Tackleberrywho

rrpc wrote: »

Under the firearms act, a sliencer is considered to be a firearm; possession of which, without a licence/authorisation is an offence.

A .3" Mod will handle many types of rounds from .17 up to .300 Win Mag.

However, until it is on a rifle, it is just a paper weight.
The "S" is for using the Mod as you are altering a physical characteristic of your rifle ie:sound

A moderator is only a moderator when on a rifle, it could be used as a baffle for any equipment.

The FO said I could not "use" the Mod until I had the "S" on the licence.
However i could own/posess it.

rrpc

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

A .3" Mod will handle many types of rounds from .17 up to .300 Win Mag.

However, until it is on a rifle, it is just a paper weight.
The "S" is for using the Mod as you are altering a physical characteristic of your rifle ie:sound

A moderator is only a moderator when on a rifle, it could be used as a baffle for any equipment.

The FO said I could not "use" the Mod until I had the "S" on the licence.
However i could own/posess it.

Tack, you need to stop believing what you hear over what you read :rolleyes:. It's in black and white in the firearms act (Section 1). The very fact that you have to get a licence for it, should be proof enough for you. Under your logic, you can have a rifle without a licence so long as you don't use it.

A silencer is a firearm, it's defined as such under the firearms acts and follows all rules associated with firearms.

Tackleberrywho

rrpc wrote: »

Tack, you need to stop believing what you hear over what you read :rolleyes:. It's in black and white in the firearms act (Section 1). The very fact that you have to get a licence for it, should be proof enough for you. Under your logic, you can have a rifle without a licence so long as you don't use it.

A sliencer is a firearm, it's defined as such under the firearms acts and follows all rules associated with firearms.

I'm not a big reader RRPC, I don't have time. I cut to the chase and ask questions.

In the Principal Act and this Act, "firearm" shall include an airgun (which expression includes an air rifle and an air pistol) and any other weapon incorporating a barrel from which metal or other slugs can be discharged and a prohibited weapon.

A silencer has no barrel, action or is not a "weapon".
It is a moderator/supressor/damper/silencer or what ever you want to call it (call me anything you want, just don't call me in the mornings )!

It is a gas trap.
However USING one just like using NF on a Rifle is restricted, and you need permission to use, hence magic "S"

anyone can buy NV (ref Lidl), however if you adapt it to work on a rifle you are on the wrong side of the law


What this has got to do with donedeal beats me??

I see Lurchers advertised on it yet you can't buy a scope??

Sparks

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

licence to use not to buy, my 16 yr old brother could walk in and buy one and he has no FAC

You need a licence to pick one up kildare. So yes, he could buy it without a permit, but the moment he picked it up in his hands, he'd be breaking the law.

edit: Beaten to it!

rrpc

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

I'm not a big reader RRPC, I don't have time. I cut to the chase and ask questions.

In the Principal Act and this Act, "firearm" shall include an airgun (which expression includes an air rifle and an air pistol) and any other weapon incorporating a barrel from which metal or other slugs can be discharged and a prohibited weapon.

You needed to read down a bit more:

(ii) a silencer designed to be fitted to a firearm specified in paragraph (a), (b) or (e), and

And it was updated in the 2006 act, but originally added by the 1990 act.

anyone can buy NV (ref Lidl), however if you adapt it to work on a rifle you are on the wrong side of the law

And that's covered by this bit:

(i) telescope sights with a light beam, or telescope sights with an electronic light amplification device or an infra-red device, designed to be fitted to a firearm specified in paragraph (a), (b), (c) or (e),

What this has got to do with donedeal beats me??

Because the suggestion was made that they could be advertised freely as: "they're not firearms", please keep up

Sparks

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

I'm not a big reader RRPC, I don't have time. I cut to the chase and ask questions.

That's fine Tack, but listen to the answers every so often, would you?

In the Principal Act and this Act, "firearm" shall include an airgun (which expression includes an air rifle and an air pistol) and any other weapon incorporating a barrel from which metal or other slugs can be discharged and a prohibited weapon.

Keep reading:

(g) except where the context otherwise requires, any component part of any article referred to in any of the foregoing paragraphs and, without prejudice to the generality of the foregoing, the following articles shall be deemed to be such component parts:
(i) telescope sights with a light beam, or telescope sights with an electronic light amplification device or an infra-red device, designed to be fitted to a firearm specified in paragraph (a), (b), (c) or (e),
(ii) a silencer designed to be fitted to a firearm specified in paragraph (a), (b) or (e), and
(iii) any object—
(I) manufactured for use as a component in connection with the operation of a firearm, and
(II) without which it could not function as originally designed,