Trap names squad for qualifiers

IRISHSPORTSGUY

Shay Given (Manchester City)
Kieran Westwood (Coventry City)
Joe Murphy (Scunthorpe United)
John O'Shea (Manchester United)
Richard Dunne (Aston Villa)
Sean St Ledger (Preston North End)
Greg Cunningham (Manchester City)
Kevin Foley (Wolves)
Stephen Kelly (Fulham)
Paul McShane (Hull City)
Darren O'Dea (Ipswich Town)
Kevin Kilbane (Hull City)
Keith Andrews (Blackburn Rovers)
Glenn Whelan (Stoke City)
Darron Gibson (Manchester United)
Paul Green (Derby County)
Liam Lawrence (Portsmouth)
Aiden McGeady (Spartak Moscow)
Andy Keogh (Cardiff City)
Damien Duff (Fulham)
Keith Fahey (Birmingham City)
Keith Treacy (Preston North End)
Robbie Keane (Tottenham Hotspur)
Kevin Doyle (Wolves)
Shane Long (Reading)
Cillian Sheridan (CSKA Sofia)

For me, five obvious players being blanked:

Stephen Ward - This is the one the one that baffles me most. Should have started the brand new campaign as first choice left back, never mind left out completely for a youth that has hardly any competitive games under his belt.

James McCarthy - Only 19, but fast becoming a far bigger elephant in the room than Andy Reid. He isn't the 'bash brother' central midfielder that Trap loves, but surely at least an option worth having on the bench if Plan A is failing?

Seamus Coleman - We're pretty well covered at right back, but as a right winger has more attacking cutting edge in his little finger than Andy Keogh who is a striker often introduced out of position for Ireland.

Marc Wilson - McShane. Enough said. :mad:

Anthony Stokes - The thought of an injury to Keane is frightening. Bottom half SPL teams are arguably a lower standard than the Championship, yet he's a player full of confidence, unlike Long.

ctrl-alt-delete

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

Anthony Stokes - The thought of an injury to Keane is frightening. Bottom half SPL teams are arguably a lower standard than the Championship, yet he's a player full of confidence, unlike Long.

He is with Celtic now he should be in ahead of Sheridan for me,

Hopefully Duff can get back to decent fitness, even half fit he is a must for us,

Looking forward to these games

IRISHSPORTSGUY

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

He is with Celtic now he should be in ahead of Sheridan for me,

Hopefully Duff can get back to decent fitness, even half fit he is a must for us,

Looking forward to these games

Was referring to his league opposition.

Dempsey

I'd have Stokes over Sheridan or Keogh.

Raskolnikov

Paul Mc-Fcukin-Shane, again?

The guy is so bad, he has a 9 minute compilation video of some of the most horrific examples of defending that have ever been seen on a football field.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGMuoxihmu4

I watched him play for Hull against Nottingham Forest at the weekend there, he was so awful that a 19 year rookie had to constantly cover for his mistakes. I'm honest enough to admit that our squad isn't the strongest, but surely we have better options than Paul Mc-Fcukin-Shane

Aidric

It's a travesty that he is still being included in Ireland squads. It's not like there isn't good alternatives.

Mr.Nice Guy

Didn't Dunphy suggest on RTE that McCarthy has been blacklisted by Trap for refusing to join some meet-up training camp in the summer? If this is the reason then surely something can be done to sort it out.

whatawaster

Surely no one has gone more out of their way to show they want to play for Ireland than James McCarthy. A joke he's not in the squad.

tolosenc

Paul McShane?! Oh Christ...

bit of a bogey

Trap drives me mad! Theres no justification to some of them selections and omissions!

Kiwi_knock

whatawaster wrote: »

Surely no one has gone more out of their way to show they want to play for Ireland than James McCarthy

I am sure him skipping the summer training camp and friendlies made up Trap's mind.

FlawedGenius

Traps not interested in bringing in youth for the future, hel be gone with all his money in 2012, and be laughing at how bad we are.

Michael Collins

FlawedGenius wrote: »

Traps not interested in bringing in youth for the future, hel be gone with all his money in 2012, and be laughing at how bad we are.

That's so Irish.

whatawaster

Michael Collins wrote: »

That's so Irish.

There's an element of truth to it.

He's done a good job, but i'm tired of people lauding trap and lamenting our lack of talent, when talent like McCarthy, Coleman, Foley etc aren't getting a chance.

We're doing well, we could be doing better. imo

FlawedGenius

Michael Collins wrote: »

That's so Irish.

So true more like, honestly, hes doing a terrible job, what must these young lads do to get a chance, its a disgrace. Kilbane is gona be murdered against Slovakia and Russia, and if we do end up qualifying in 2 years you can be sure Trap will stick to what got us there and pick Kilbane again.:rolleyes:
Its the Irish mentality settling for the sh*te we have had with Trap, thiking hes great for getting us 2nd to Italy in the group and scraping draws and the odd 1 nil win.:( Were better than that.

Vurnon San Benito

Very very harsh on Wilson.
He's a very good player, and nothing like Paul McShane.

Obviously someone is commenting on a player who they haven't watched much.

IRISHSPORTSGUY

Doocey wrote: »

Very very harsh on Wilson.
He's a very good player, and nothing like Paul McShane.

Obviously someone is commenting on a player who they haven't watched much.

Erm, you've totally misinterpreted me. I was bemoaning the inclusion of the Kilpedder Cannavaro instead of him, not comparing.

Vurnon San Benito

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

Erm, you've totally misinterpreted me. I was bemoaning the inclusion of the Kilpedder Cannavaro instead of him, not comparing.

Indeed I did.
Apologies!

LeeroyJones

I too disagree with some of Traps selections but what's more important is that I do trust his judgement.
He plays football the way he wants to play it and he doesn't allow external forces, media or fans, alter his decision making. This for me is heartening, I would be concerned if we had a manager who bowed to the crys made.

The Rooster

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

Stephen Ward - This is the one the one that baffles me most. Should have started the brand new campaign as first choice left back, never mind left out completely for a youth that has hardly any competitive games under his belt.

Ward was directly at fault for the 2 goals Wolves conceded at the weekend. Probably didnt impact Trap's thinking, but bad timing nonetheless.

tomred1

Is Rory Delap retired from International Football? He would be a better choice than Green.

PCros

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Didn't Dunphy suggest on RTE that McCarthy has been blacklisted by Trap for refusing to join some meet-up training camp in the summer? If this is the reason then surely something can be done to sort it out.

Well then Trap is right, hes not going to bother with players who dont want to apply themselves.

event

Its becoming obvious that trap will not call up new players, that he hasnt seen at his end of season training camps. During a campaing, he only plays players from this pool and wont look at others. It doesnt really matter what sort of form you are in, if you werent picked/didnt go he wont pick you.

He sticks with his tried and trusted players and will not move from them at all.

DB10

Marc Wilson is a better CM player than anyone in our squad.

FFS Stoke signed him there and play him first choice, while Whelan sits on the bench.

Is it so much to ask for the best players to be picked and rubbish to be removed?

DB10

event wrote: »

Its becoming obvious that trap will not call up new players, that he hasnt seen at his end of season training camps. During a campaing, he only plays players from this pool and wont look at others. It doesnt really matter what sort of form you are in, if you werent picked/didnt go he wont pick you.

He sticks with his tried and trusted players and will not move from them at all.

Agreed, it is pathetic.

He won't drop players who never play for their clubs, he won't pick in form players.

I like Sheridan, but I would be fairly sure he's not keeping up to date with his progress in Bulgaria.

gustavo

DB10 wrote: »

Marc Wilson is a better CM player than anyone in our squad.

FFS Stoke signed him there and play him first choice, while Whelan sits on the bench.

Is it so much to ask for the best players to be picked and rubbish to be removed?

Whelan has done nothing wrong at international level that suggests he needs to be removed from the squad

Mr.Nice Guy

The funny thing is Sheridan has been in poor form for CSKA Sofia. He was taken off at half-time in the last game where they were beaten 1-0 in a derby.

If you're in good form and playing games but not in 'the pool' you don't get in. It stinks but it's the way it is. Most Irish fans won't complain about it because they remember the results and forget the dross of the performances.

It's a bit like a college kid that doesn't do the study and buy the right books but still gets the grades. The parents won't kick off until he actually fails. Likewise most Irish fans will spout statistics about how we have six points from six, we're a useless team and Trap is making wine from water etc. I just don't buy this. We're not Brazil or Spain and aren't going to be any time soon but we can maximise the talent we have and actually give it our best shot.

We have had close shaves in the past, especially the last campaign, where we were totally outclassed by teams at times and bailed out by last ditch Richard Dunne tackles (vs Cyprus, Bulgaria) and had fortunate refereeing decisions go our way (away to Italy, home to Georgia).

I have a real fear that we could soon flunk our tests against Russia and Slovakia, and only then will the inquisition properly begin.

IRISHSPORTSGUY

DB10 wrote: »

Marc Wilson is a better CM player than anyone in our squad.

FFS Stoke signed him there and play him first choice, while Whelan sits on the bench.

Is it so much to ask for the best players to be picked and rubbish to be removed?

He has too much of an eye for a pass for Trap's liking to play him from what I saw against Villa. Saying that, Wilson is a very versatile player who can also play full back and centre half so it's a bit of a puzzle why the likes of McShane and O'Dea are preferred.

Personally I'm not confident at all going into the double header. Playing old man ZZ Kilbane who can't even get a game for Hull in the Championship these days against Russia is a recipe for disaster. It's like a car crash everyone except the driver is anticipating to happen.

I doff my hat to Trap if we get 4-6 pts from the next two games, however there's a hell of a lot of ammo against him if we get next to nothing.

Whelan has done nothing wrong at international level that suggests he needs to be removed from the squad.

I think the 'rubbish' comment was aimed more at Green tbh.

killwill

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Didn't Dunphy suggest on RTE that McCarthy has been blacklisted by Trap for refusing to join some meet-up training camp in the summer? If this is the reason then surely something can be done to sort it out.

Vaguely remember soething about that, hopefully this is not another Andy Reid scenario. McCarthy IMO should be starting.
And Cillian Sheridan? Ahead of Anthony Stokes? Madness.

killwill

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

He has too much of an eye for a pass for Trap's liking to play him from what I saw against Villa. Saying that, Wilson is a very versatile player who can also play full back and centre half so it's a bit of a puzzle why the likes of McShane and O'Dea are preferred.

Personally I'm not confident at all going into the double header. Playing old man ZZ Kilbane who can't even get a game for Hull in the Championship these days against Russia is a recipe for disaster. It's like a car crash everyone except the driver is anticipating to happen.

I doff my hat to Trap if we get 4-6 pts from the next two games, however there's a hell of a lot of ammo against him if we get next to nothing.



I think the 'rubbish' comment was aimed more at Green tbh.

While I agree about Kilbane, Russia are a spent force and I am expecting at
least a draw. They are no great shakes these days.

The Rooster

DB10 wrote: »

Marc Wilson is a better CM player than anyone in our squad.

FFS Stoke signed him there and play him first choice, while Whelan sits on the bench.

Is it so much to ask for the best players to be picked and rubbish to be removed?

Nah, Wilson was dropped by Stoke at the weekend too (had been taken off in the previous game). And unlike Whelan didnt get to come on as sub.