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MedGal

Anyone with a 57 hoping for a place?

EugeneOnegin

MedGal wrote: »

Anyone with a 57 hoping for a place?

I don't want to jinx things, but I would imagine with 57 you're in a happy place and are very likely UL-bound

In my very very very humble opinion I would expect that UL could end up being about 55*. That's something of a "guestimation" however, which I'm basing upon what I could infer from talking to UL Med school staff and the decreased no. of applicants.

Though as has been said on previous threads, those applying with UK Gamsat scores may buck the trend a bit- take any speculation with a pinch of salt though!

watawaster

If you think about it logically, UL Med school is only four years old, and they had the opportunity to create whatever medical school they liked really because they were starting from scratch. So ask yourself this, why didn't they choose the traditional route? Is it because it's out-dated? Is it because it has been proven to be perhaps NOT the best way to learn? Is it because there are newer, more innovative and involved ways to teach that are more relevant to a clinical career?

I agree but I cant help having a niggling feeling that the low cost of the PBL approach (and no anatomy labs) may have also played a factor...:(

MrsStuffings

i think PBL is actually more expensive. I mean think about it. Having to get ten tutors to teach twice a week to ten groups, as opposed to getting 3/4 lecturers to teach to the entire class a few times a week.

plus, apparently the anatomy down there the same anatomy class is taught about six times a week. as in the class is split up into their tutorial groups and then they are taught the same class by the lecturer instead of the whole class being taught as a whole group.

to me that is actually both time and cost deficient, it would be much faster to teach to the whole class in one group once.

so i'm not sure how right it is to say theyre trying to save money.

also i think the government decided that this was the new medical course to be taught, and then the schools tendered for it. i dont think UL decided to do PBL. i think the government decided to offer a pbl degree and then the colleges competed to be awarded it.

nonetheless, they're defo skimping on money in some places.
no biochemistry classes or lecturer and no pharmacology classes or lecturer. no microbiology being taught either.
welcome to the 21st century, where students learn medicine from wikipedia and colouring books.

Yillan

MrsStuffings wrote: »

welcome to the 21st century, where students learn medicine from wikipedia and colouring books.

Little bit tired now

Sid_Justice

MrsStuffings wrote: »

plus, apparently the anatomy down there the same anatomy class is taught about six times a week. as in the class is split up into their tutorial groups and then they are taught the same class by the lecturer instead of the whole class being taught as a whole group.

The anatomy is taught by tutorial not by lecture. There are 3 tutors each specialize in slightly different things. Each tutorial lasts 30 minutes, with a group of 10 you will be asked about 3 questions. If the tutorials had a larger size you'd get less individual questions. If you made the tutorials larger and longer they would be less manageable for the tutors.

What's your undergrad in MrsStuffings? General Science UCD?

MrsStuffings

pharmacy from trinity actually Sid.

ya thats what i meant. if theres a hundred in the class, and you're in groups of ten, does that mean the same tutorial is ran ten times?

ljg1

MrsStuffings wrote: »

also i think the government decided that this was the new medical course to be taught, and then the schools tendered for it. i dont think UL decided to do PBL. i think the government decided to offer a pbl degree and then the colleges competed to be awarded it.

Once again you are completely wrong, and I'd like to use this as an opportunity to point out that most of what you say is utterly unfounded with no research whatsoever. You talk about people doing their "research" before they chose UL. Let me tell you, no person with half an ounce of intelligence would pick UL without doing their research. The PBL approach is really not for everyone,
Firstly, UL was chosen, and then the curriculum was approved afterwards.

http://www.independent.ie/education/latest-news/universities-outraged-over-medical-school-in-limerick-50583.html


Secondly, if you HAD actually done your research, you would know that learning is NOT a receptive process. Learning is an active process whereby the learner creates schemas based on actively participating in the learning process, so therefore cognitive psychological learning theories and research firmly stand behind the PBL approach. You might want to look that one up on Wikipedia? You will be doing at least a little PBL no matter which course you choose. Doctors are supposed to integrate scientific knowledge with expertise and experience to solve the patient's dilemma. That's what PBL teaches you to do. It prepares you for a life of teaching yourself new things and integrating your knowledge. And that's why no matter where you go, you will have to solve problems at SOME stage before you hit the wards, so I'd rather get used to it early on...

And finally, what in God's name are you gaining from this? You havent considered the people who a) really want to come to UL and strongly believe in the approach because of the actual (not hearsay like yourself) research they've done or b) the people that didn't have a choice because of financial or familial reasons. A few people in UL have families in Limerick. How bad do you think you are making them feel by posting your unresearched bull?You of all people should know the agony of sitting Gamsat, and that some people dont have the money or time that you had to become the "serial Gamsatter" that you are. By the way, you need to have EMPATHY to become a doctor...another wikipedia check for you perhaps?

You have NO IDEA what you're talking about, so do us a favour and please stop posting here.

Sid_Justice

MrsStuffings wrote: »

pharmacy from trinity actually Sid.

ya thats what i meant. if theres a hundred in the class, and you're in groups of ten, does that mean the same tutorial is ran ten times?

~15 in a class and 6 times. Sure why are you concerned about pharm teaching if you know it all already?

watawaster

Jese ljg1 take a chill pill.

I spoke to a few UL first years in october last, and they were the first raise the low cost argument with me. They felt that their fees were funding the new medical school, while they taught themselves medicine.

All the same, I still think it is a cool way to learn.

MrsStuffings

Sid_Justice wrote: »

~15 in a class and 6 times. Sure why are you concerned about pharm teaching if you know it all already?

i'm not concerned about my knowledge of pharm, im concerned about pharm teaching in UL in general and the doctors being produced; i'm concerned about the standard of doctors being released onto the wards who have ''NO IDEA'' what they're doing. people who have taught themselves medicine off the internet, or from picture books, or off some pirated kaplan dvds. i wouldnt expect you to agree with me sid, nor would i expect anyone from UL to agree with me. doesnt mean my points arent valid.

i apologise if i've come across as hostile in my posts. perhaps my 68 in the gamsat has made me come across that bit smug, and i apologise. i look forward to seeing some of you in september.

ljg1

MrsStuffings wrote: »

i'm not concerned about my knowledge of pharm, im concerned about pharm teaching in UL in general and the doctors being produced; i'm concerned about the standard of doctors being released onto the wards who have ''NO IDEA'' what they're doing. people who have taught themselves medicine off the internet, or from picture books, or off some pirated kaplan dvds. i wouldnt expect you to agree with me sid, nor would i expect anyone from UL to agree with me. doesnt mean my points arent valid.

i apologise if i've come across as hostile in my posts. perhaps my 68 in the gamsat has made me come across that bit smug, and i apologise. i look forward to seeing some of you in september.

As has been pointed out to you in the other thread more than once, UL students have to complete the exact same rotations as other colleges in the clinical years. Finals are based on clinical and written exams and examined by externs who are doctors. These students wouldn't be "released" if they didn't know their stuff.

The reason your points couldn't possibly be valid is because validity is based on sound evidence and you did not go here nor did you complete the two clinical years in hospitals, so you couldn't possibly know whether the doctors produced here are competent or not. I don't know why you keep trying to labour these points when everyone has already showed you how wrong you are. If you're not going to UL or even considering it, then why do you keep on posting?

SpiderP

I'm really having a hard time trying to understand how someone who's not actually in a medical school at the minute has become so opinionated on the matter and is so devoted to putting down a medical school she's never actually attended. Long and short, MrsStuffings get a hold of yourself and actually listen to the tripe you're come out with.

I've worked with a lot of junior doctors during my time as a hospital pharmacist (Ireland and UK) and have come to the conclusion that the university a doctor has attended doesn't determine whether or not they make a good one or not. One of the worst I have ever worked with was a Cambridge graduate, and needless to say I think it's safe to say Cambridge is not a substandard medical school. From what I've seen, the best ones were those who were good at dealing with people, good at getting jobs done, were approachable and clearly got on with those around them.

No one relies on junior doctors "expertise" in any particular area for one very good reason - they have none. And these are the people who've actually been through a medical degree. On a ward, other staff (nurses, physios, pharmacists, dieticians, social workers etc) don't care where you went. They only care about one thing, getting the job done. Specifically, getting the job you want them to do, done. UL graduates, like students of all other medical schools, will only prove themselves as individuals once they step onto the wards. There'll be bad ones, there'll be good ones, like everything else in life. So spare us please of your judgements MrsStuffings, they're clearly worthless.

Sid_Justice

MrsStuffings wrote: »

i'm not concerned about my knowledge of pharm, im concerned about pharm teaching in UL in general and the doctors being produced; i'm concerned about the standard of doctors being released onto the wards who have ''NO IDEA'' what they're doing. people who have taught themselves medicine off the internet, or from picture books, or off some pirated kaplan dvds. i wouldnt expect you to agree with me sid, nor would i expect anyone from UL to agree with me. doesnt mean my points arent valid.

i apologise if i've come across as hostile in my posts. perhaps my 68 in the gamsat has made me come across that bit smug, and i apologise. i look forward to seeing some of you in september.

Agree with you about what? That I am learning medicine 'from the internet' that I have 'no idea' about anything or that all UL graduates will have 'no idea' what they're doing. Do you actually have any idea what is taught in a Medical course? There are about 20 'core' text books, the big 6 are Guyton's Medical Physiology, Ross and Pawlina's Histology, Kumar and Clark's Clinical Medicine (most north American's use Harrison's though), Robin and Coltran's Pathology, and Rang and Dale's Pharmacology and Moore and Daley's Clinically Oriented Anatomy. There are many other Atlases of Human anatomy used on occasion (picture books?). All the fundamental basic sciences of the clinical years are in these books more or less. We do a lot of Embryology using Langman's, and then from week to week use the relevant Biochemistry / Genetics / Micro books as they come up. Acland's anatomy videos are also very good.

I think I'm gaining a better insight on your point of view now. It seems to chiefly dwell around the teaching mechanism of anatomy and the fact we don't have didactic lectures and cadaver dissections. Your rational seems to be that when we're on the wards doing rounds and the consultant is showing us a patient with focal neurological deficits due to a Stroke we won't be able to appreciate the pathophysiology, clinical features or treatments because 4 years previously we didn't dissect a brain.

The reason your points aren't 'valid' is because you're speaking from a position of ignorance. Your understanding of medicine and its teaching is naive. Your knowledge of the UL course is based on what your pal told you. In fairness you do know a fair bit about the course and the observations you've made are quite valid while your interpretations seem to be further off the mark. I think your definitely right ,carrying your type of attitude into this course would be a massive hindrance and you're right to go to RCSI. Why gamble on somewhere like UL when RCSI have been around for over a hundred years producing high calibre graduates.

I'd imagine SpiderP's experiences are very close to the truth, a lot of Junior Doctor quality comes down to individual traits.

Scientist1

Can Mrs Stuffings please be kicked off of Boards? Every time I am genuinely looking for info I keep coming across the same stupid useless argument. And in relation to your smugness, did you not have to sit the exam THREE times to obtain that score!!!!

Anyway, I am wondering If anyone is else freaking about the lateness of the CAO offers? I'm working full-time (long hours, shift-work) and I've signed a contract which states that I will give at least 4 weeks notice If leaving...If you are offered a late place, does that mean you can start a bit later???Is there a cut-off date for registration? Is there a cut-off date for loan applications and how long does the loan take???

Surely, people can't accept an offer, finish work, pack up, move, find somewhere to live, apply for loan etc etc in a week or two???

TC80

SpiderP wrote: »

I'm really having a hard time trying to understand how someone who's not actually in a medical school at the minute has become so opinionated on the matter and is so devoted to putting down a medical school she's never actually attended. Long and short, MrsStuffings get a hold of yourself and actually listen to the tripe you're come out with.

I've worked with a lot of junior doctors during my time as a hospital pharmacist (Ireland and UK) and have come to the conclusion that the university a doctor has attended doesn't determine whether or not they make a good one or not. One of the worst I have ever worked with was a Cambridge graduate, and needless to say I think it's safe to say Cambridge is not a substandard medical school. From what I've seen, the best ones were those who were good at dealing with people, good at getting jobs done, were approachable and clearly got on with those around them.

No one relies on junior doctors "expertise" in any particular area for one very good reason - they have none. And these are the people who've actually been through a medical degree. On a ward, other staff (nurses, physios, pharmacists, dieticians, social workers etc) don't care where you went. They only care about one thing, getting the job done. Specifically, getting the job you want them to do, done. UL graduates, like students of all other medical schools, will only prove themselves as individuals once they step onto the wards. There'll be bad ones, there'll be good ones, like everything else in life. So spare us please of your judgements MrsStuffings, they're clearly worthless.

I would agree with every word of this post apart from that highlighted in bold which is deeply misguided and quite frankly patronising. "junior doctors" practice about 90% of the acute in-patient medicine and I would estimate about 50% of specialist out-patient medicine in this country. I personally have 9 years postgraduate experience, clocking up tens of thousands of hours of clinical experience including 2 higher degrees. While I am still learning (and will be learning until the day I retire), I do bring a degree of expertise to my job which is relied on in an interdependent manner with the other members of my clinical unit and the wider multidisciplinary team. I think this comment lets down your excellent post

In response to Mrs Stuffings crowings about RCSI vs UL: When I was a student graduates of RCSI were frequently subjected to unfair prejudices based on where they went to med school I find it ironic that you are now looking down on UL. I can only assume you do not represent the vast majority of your peers. To imagine otherwise would be depressing.

MrsStuffings

ljg1 wrote: »

As has been pointed out to you in the other thread more than once, UL students have to complete the exact same rotations as other colleges in the clinical years. Finals are based on clinical and written exams and examined by externs who are doctors. These students wouldn't be "released" if they didn't know their stuff.

The reason your points couldn't possibly be valid is because validity is based on sound evidence and you did not go here nor did you complete the two clinical years in hospitals, so you couldn't possibly know whether the doctors produced here are competent or not. I don't know why you keep trying to labour these points when everyone has already showed you how wrong you are. If you're not going to UL or even considering it, then why do you keep on posting?

please, correct my ignorance so and enlighten me so my dear about the amount of pharmacology and biochemistry you learned this year.

how many lectures did you get in each?

is it not well documented in medical circles that there is next to no pharmacology being taught in UL, as clearly evinced by the 3rd and 4th years who are currently on placement. its no secret that they didnt have a clue when they stepped on the wards. id be interested to know how UL have rectified this, you seem to know more so please enlighten me.

i'm continuing to post because i'm fully entitled to offer my opinion; you on the other hand have some indignant high and mighty attitude about you that inhibits you from acknowledging or admitting the flaws in your medical education.

at least sid has the decency to admit that i'm right in what i've said, you however appear to be blinded to the fact.

chanste

I'm just wrapping up 2nd year in UL at the moment and just thought I'd mention that the medical school was quite open about some of its weaknesses when the faculty discussed things with our class. But please bear in mind the first graduates of the school are only finishing up now so anything people have heard about people from UL on the wards are referring to students.

Pharmacology was identified as falling short and it is being addressed by being incorporated into our anatomy cases/sessions and having them appoint a new professor in pharmacology. We were also warned to place more emphasis on it in our self directed learning because it would be examined at a very high standard. I personally feel I'm ok at it and could compete with anyone at the same level in another medical school.

Pharmacology aside though I really would like to plug UL as an excellent medical school. I find the faculty are very eager to make improvements, I genuinely can't imagine another person I've ever learned more from than our anatomy professor, and they are very aware that in the early days they are having to set high standards through exams etc because people are waiting to judge us... many with pre-formed judgements.

The PBL curriculum is excellent though not for everyone, I personally find it is a bit of a kick in the ass to get you on top of things because you do not want to be the guy who shows up having not completed learning objectives as you'll be spotted very quickly.

Also in case anyone thinks there is no one in UL who also got high GAMSAT scores they are very wrong, the points are low because it has about 100 places when other med schools have significantly less, but for most people in the West UL and Cork are going to be every bit as popular as UCD and RCSI are for people from Dublin. Most will make their choice based on geography IMO.

ljg1

MrsStuffings wrote: »

please, correct my ignorance so and enlighten me so my dear about the amount of pharmacology and biochemistry you learned this year.

how many lectures did you get in each?

is it not well documented in medical circles that there is next to no pharmacology being taught in UL, as clearly evinced by the 3rd and 4th years who are currently on placement. its no secret that they didnt have a clue when they stepped on the wards. id be interested to know how UL have rectified this, you seem to know more so please enlighten me.

i'm continuing to post because i'm fully entitled to offer my opinion; you on the other hand have some indignant high and mighty attitude about you that inhibits you from acknowledging or admitting the flaws in your medical education.

at least sid has the decency to admit that i'm right in what i've said, you however appear to be blinded to the fact.

If you care so much, why don't you come down to Limerick and speak directly to the Dean of Education?

Why do you keep going on about whats being "taught"? This isn't a didactic course, its PBL based. You will not be spoon fed on the wards, nor as a doctor who engages in lifelong learning and research. This is a new course. It was inevitable that there were going to be teething problems. I never said it was perfect. If you think that other courses are without flaws then thats fine but its not realistic. At least the UL Medical School take on board suggestions and adapt the course each year to improve it.

The college was made aware of the weaknesses and is compensating for that by changing the official learning objectives list to include alot of pharm.
We are constantly being told that the first two years of the course didn't know their pharmacology well enough but when they got to the wards they had to know it. This meant they had to sit down and teach themselves it during their placement. Yes that was extremely unfair, but this has changed now. They wouldn't have passed their exams if they didn't know it. Afterall its external examiners who examine them.

We use Rang and Dale, Goodman and Gilman, Lippincott, Pharm at a Glance, Firstaid for USMLE and most importantly UpToDate just like anyone else. We are given a class of drugs or more to learn each week. We are asked questions about the MISCI, pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics of all drugs in minicases given by our anatomy/physiology lecturer which are examined on Mondays. The pharmacology of specific drugs is part of our official learning objective list for example we will be told to "Describe the pharmacology of anticoagulant drugs". You get out your books and you put that info in your brain and then you come to PBL and discuss it. Just like when any new drug comes out (I'm not quite sure but I think this happens oh every day), I'll know how and where to look for information and teach myself.

Sure, I sometimes wish someone would just tell me how a drug works, but I personally won't remember that, so this method suits me better.

I completely understand people having reservations about a new course. I think UL are very honest about it on the open evening. The head of the college specifically said "If you aren't self-motivated this course is not for you". Did you attend?

I cant offer you anymore enlightenment on this. So please, please give it a rest. If you dont like how things are done in UL then just please stop posting your negativity. I know for a fact you're not helping anyone, even if you think you are. I'm not an advocate of didactic learning techniques but I dont go around blasting every college and university for using them, I just know that they dont suit me.

watawaster

I take back my previous comment.

Shut the fu*k up Mrs Stuffings, you're like a bad smell that won't go away...

gem2010

MrsStuffings wrote: »

please, correct my ignorance so and enlighten me so my dear about the amount of pharmacology and biochemistry you learned this year.

how many lectures did you get in each?

is it not well documented in medical circles that there is next to no pharmacology being taught in UL, as clearly evinced by the 3rd and 4th years who are currently on placement. its no secret that they didnt have a clue when they stepped on the wards. id be interested to know how UL have rectified this, you seem to know more so please enlighten me.

i'm continuing to post because i'm fully entitled to offer my opinion; you on the other hand have some indignant high and mighty attitude about you that inhibits you from acknowledging or admitting the flaws in your medical education.

at least sid has the decency to admit that i'm right in what i've said, you however appear to be blinded to the fact.

Mrs stuffings, I can see why people are getting pissed off at you, but let me try and explain why. The point about PBL is that you are the director of your own learning. You go through the motions of a hypothetical case, meet a whole lot of **** you don't know, make learning objectives from them, go off to the library, look up the MISCI of the drug in question/physiology of whatever etc, and teach yourself. Teach yourself HARD because then the next PBL, you pick a number from a hat and you get up and presesnt that learning objective to your group. THAT'S how you learn pharm, as well as physiology and everything else. You learn from books and you learn from each other, and the tutor guides you in the right direction. Then, at the end of teh case, a list of official learning objectives goes up and you check off what you did, and catch up on what you missed, then get a new case. That's PBL, and the tutors are getting paid a MASSIVE amount to be there, so it's certainly not cheap. We get the lectures from relevant teachers - doctors from hospitals etc. A cardiologist teaches us cardiololgy etc. We don't have a pharm lecturer, but it does get somewhat covered in our 'anatomy' = jack of all trades tutorials. I believe UL have since signed on a pharm lecturer to start in septermber (someone correct me if I'm wrong). I think that a microbiologist would be no harm either, so hopefully they're working on that. Anyway, if you don't understand the system, don't criticise it. Question it sure, but don't criticise it because you just end up making yourself look arrogant and idiotic.

ORLY?

MrsStuffings,

Let's apply some critical thinking to your assertion that UL graduates will have "no idea" what they are doing on the wards and that the medical education there is "second rate".

Your evidence for supporting this position consists of your interpretation of several stories you have heard from several unspecified sources.

Let's look at the evidence for the counter position.

1) As in all other degrees all exams are vetted by an independent external examiner, this is where the similarities with other degrees will likely end.

2) You won't know how things work in clinical years yet but clinical exams are marked by independent doctors (a pair) who have no teaching position at the school and who know nothing of the student (usually, rarely one of the doctors may know the student). The only basis they have for awarding a mark is their own judgement as to the level of skill and knowledge the student should have based on the stage they are at in the course.

3) In UL, each student receives a grade for each clinical placement they attend from the consultant (or GP for the GP rotation) leading the team.

4) The facilities, teaching and examination process all come under the scrutiny of the Irish Medical Council whose duty is to ensure the protection of patients, and who are responsible for the accreditation of a medical school.

So for your position to be true, the external examiners, the consultants asked to carry out the clinical exams, the consultants and GPs marking students on their rotations, and the Irish Medical Council must have ALL got it wrong? Or are they wilfully enabling doctors with "no idea" of what they are doing to enter the workforce?

Now, to address your issues about "picture books" and "learning off the internet".

What do you mean by picture books? Anatomy atlases? If so, I can assure absolutely that their use is sufficiently widespread as to warrant their mass publication. The class at UL is not quite large enough on its own to provide a profitable market for them. I personally have found them quite useful as I'm sure many thousands and thousands of anatomy and medicine students have throughout the world.

As for "learning off the internet", well let me assure there too that you will need to consult the internet in medical school and even more so after you graduate. You don't know why yet, you won't be able to understand why because you are not yet studying medicine. Essentially you are never going to be able to learn everything you need to know from a lecture or a book because everything is always changing, always, if you look at an oxford handbook from as recent as 2008 you will see that much of what is in it is now flat out wrong. The only way to keep pace with certain developments is by reading the latest guidelines and studies on the internet.

Finally (apologies if quoting from another thread isn't allowed but the topic being discussed in this thread and the "Good luck in the GAMSAT thread" has been the same)

MrsStuffings wrote:

im concerned about pharm teaching in UL in general and the doctors being produced; i'm concerned about the standard of doctors being released onto the wards who have ''NO IDEA'' what they're doing.

MrsStuffings wrote:

bottom line, UL medicine is a second rate medical education, anyone who tells you otherwise is just trying to convince themselves that they've not be taken for a fool.

MrsStuffings wrote: »

is it not well documented in medical circles that there is next to no pharmacology being taught in UL, as clearly evinced by the 3rd and 4th years who are currently on placement. its no secret that they didnt have a clue when they stepped on the wards

This, is libel, I would argue malicious to boot too, and this UL student who has just finished their 3rd year placements and who had far more than just a clue as to what they were doing doesn't appreciate it.

gem2010

ORLY? wrote: »

MrsStuffings,

Let's apply some critical thinking to your assertion that UL graduates will have "no idea" what they are doing on the wards and that the medical education there is "second rate".

Your evidence for supporting this position consists of your interpretation of several stories you have heard from several unspecified sources.

Let's look at the evidence for the counter position.

1) As in all other degrees all exams are vetted by an independent external examiner, this is where the similarities with other degrees will likely end.

2) You won't know how things work in clinical years yet but clinical exams are marked by independent doctors (a pair) who have no teaching position at the school and who know nothing of the student (usually, rarely one of the doctors may know the student). The only basis they have for awarding a mark is their own judgement as to the level of skill and knowledge the student should have based on the stage they are at in the course.

3) In UL, each student receives a grade for each clinical placement they attend from the consultant (or GP for the GP rotation) leading the team.

4) The facilities, teaching and examination process all come under the scrutiny of the Irish Medical Council whose duty is to ensure the protection of patients, and who are responsible for the accreditation of a medical school.

So for your position to be true, the external examiners, the consultants asked to carry out the clinical exams, the consultants and GPs marking students on their rotations, and the Irish Medical Council must have ALL got it wrong? Or are they wilfully enabling doctors with "no idea" of what they are doing to enter the workforce?

Now, to address your issues about "picture books" and "learning off the internet".

What do you mean by picture books? Anatomy atlases? If so, I can assure absolutely that their use is sufficiently widespread as to warrant their mass publication. The class at UL is not quite large enough on its own to provide a profitable market for them. I personally have found them quite useful as I'm sure many thousands and thousands of anatomy and medicine students have throughout the world.

As for "learning off the internet", well let me assure there too that you will need to consult the internet in medical school and even more so after you graduate. You don't know why yet, you won't be able to understand why because you are not yet studying medicine. Essentially you are never going to be able to learn everything you need to know from a lecture or a book because everything is always changing, always, if you look at an oxford handbook from as recent as 2008 you will see that much of what is in it is now flat out wrong. The only way to keep pace with certain developments is by reading the latest guidelines and studies on the internet.

Finally (apologies if quoting from another thread isn't allowed but the topic being discussed in this thread and the "Good luck in the GAMSAT thread" has been the same)







This, is libel, I would argue malicious to boot too, and this UL student who has just finished their 3rd year placements and who had far more than just a clue as to what they were doing doesn't appreciate it.

Very well said ORLY. I think this person is not worth the amount of attention they are getting, although it's the 'outlayers' (saunders would like that) like them that tend to sway public opinion for some reason!

Sid_Justice

someone scored highly on section 2 of gamsat

hurdygurdy85

gem2010 wrote: »

Very well said ORLY. I think this person is not worth the amount of attention they are getting, although it's the 'outlayers' (saunders would like that) like them that tend to sway public opinion for some reason!

I agree. While everyone is entitled to their own opinion, when someone expresses it in such an arrogant and nasty manner, no-one should give it the attention it so obviously screams out for.

Enough said.

sam34

mrsstuffings, you already received a warning about your posting style. as you have not heeded that warning and continue to troll and are nothing but a wind up merchant, you are now banned. if, when your ban is lifted, you post in the same manner, the next ban will be permanent.

Dr Galen

Guys just as an add on to what Sam34 has said above.

There is an age old saying on the internet, "Don't feed the troll"

Generally people exhibiting trolly behaviour are only doing it for the attention, once you ignore them and starve them of the oxygen of attention, they will fade away back to whatever corner they came from. As Mods we'll always act to take these types of people out of a discussion, but for your sanity, its often better to just place the person on ignore.

Cheers

DrG

drspock

All together now, HIP HIP HURRAYYYYY! And to counter the bellicose dribble coming from that mindless clown, I don't believe him for a second. I have heard from multiple doctors, who dealt with them in the south west, that the ul students are excellent!

sam34 wrote: »

mrsstuffings, you already received a warning about your posting style. as you have not heeded that warning and continue to troll and are nothing but a wind up merchant, you are now banned. if, when your ban is lifted, you post in the same manner, the next ban will be permanent.

hurdygurdy85

Ding-dong the witch is dead....

Choco99

Scientist1 wrote: »

Can Mrs Stuffings please be kicked off of Boards? Every time I am genuinely looking for info I keep coming across the same stupid useless argument. And in relation to your smugness, did you not have to sit the exam THREE times to obtain that score!!!!

Anyway, I am wondering If anyone is else freaking about the lateness of the CAO offers? I'm working full-time (long hours, shift-work) and I've signed a contract which states that I will give at least 4 weeks notice If leaving...If you are offered a late place, does that mean you can start a bit later???Is there a cut-off date for registration? Is there a cut-off date for loan applications and how long does the loan take???

Surely, people can't accept an offer, finish work, pack up, move, find somewhere to live, apply for loan etc etc in a week or two???

In reply to Scientist1,

I just finished my 4 years in GEMS medicine, and yes I had to do all that stuff in a few weeks! It's a very big and quick life change!
The loan is generally really quick - I called Ulster Bank, went into them and signed a contract, then got the money within the next few days.
If you're offered a late place I wouldn't wait around to finish your job. You'll already have missed a few weeks and it's a lot of work/study to catch up on. Missing another few weeks would be fairly tough.