Barclays best ever premier league XI

Le King · 22-09-2010 12:59am

Warper wrote: »

Bergkamp >>>>> Giggs. Just because someone has played in the PL for donkeys years does not mean they should automatically get in. Berkgamp was more talented than Giggs and should defo get in the team. He was in the Top 3 of all time in the PL. Awesome talent. The midfield should be Keane, Scholes/Gerrard, Berkgamp and Ronaldo, 2 strikers - Henry and Shearer. There is nothing between Scholes and Gerrard.

Ashley Cole is definitely better than Evra and Gary Neville's inclusion highlights the lack of world-class right-backs in the PL.

Seriously? You can't put Bergkamp left mid. Sure why don't we just stick in Viera in at RB just to accommodate him? Why not put Keane in as a RM? Why not put Shearer in as a striker?

You can't just accommodate players. Also Giggs>>>>>>>>>>Bergkamp.

Also lol at "Gary Neville's inclusion highlights the lack of world-class right-backs in the PL." What a joke of a statement. If you can't see he was a class right back then you don't know much at all about football, but I think you already demonstrated that with your Bergkamp at left mid statement.

Xavi6 · 22-09-2010 12:59am

JPA wrote: »

But why are things constrained by a corporation deciding to rename the league?

Because that's the topic at hand? Maybe make a 'Best Top Flight Team Ever' thread and then the likes of McGrath might stand a chance.

Oranage2 · 22-09-2010 1:01am

OPENROAD wrote: »

+1 for Campbell

Still feel he has been a very underrated defender with other English cbs getting more credit.

A lot of people forget how good he was just because he's so crap now - the time his contract ran out at spurs he was rated one of the best CBs in the world - It's the same a G. Neville, around 98 - 2005 he was one of the best right backs in the world

OPENROAD · 22-09-2010 1:02am

I would personally go with Henry and Bergkamp up front

Warper · 22-09-2010 1:03am

Jaap Stam was also a brilliant centre-back. I remember Dunphy in one of his enlightening quotes "he is nothing but a cart-horse" but Stam was one tough defender in his prime. Vidic is in the same mould and would be pushing Terry for the other CB spot alongside Adams.

OPENROAD · 22-09-2010 1:04am

Warper wrote: »

Jaap Stam was also a brilliant centre-back. I remember Dunphy in one of his enlightening quotes "he is nothing but a cart-horse" but Stam was one tough defender in his prime. Vidic is in the same mould and would be pushing Terry for the other CB spot alongside Adams.

Is Terry that good?

3hn2givr7mx1sc · 22-09-2010 1:06am

OPENROAD wrote: »

Is Terry that good?

I think Terry is a serious case of English overratedness, tbh.

OPENROAD · 22-09-2010 1:09am

baz2009 wrote: »

I think Terry is a serious case of English overratedness, tbh.

To an extent, people seem to rate him here also, but when I think about the likes of Keown, Adams and Campbell, purely concentrating on Arsenal cbs, I don't think he is even close to those three.

Le King · 22-09-2010 1:10am

baz2009 wrote: »

I think Terry is a serious case of English overratedness, tbh.

If we were going for a Chelsea defender I would put Carvalho ahead of him. I think he was a far better defender.

3hn2givr7mx1sc · 22-09-2010 1:11am

OPENROAD wrote: »

To an extent, people seem to rate him here also, but when I think about the likes of Keown, Adams and Campbell, purely concentrating on Arsenal cbs, I don't think he is even close to those three.

I hate Keown with a passion, but I was considering him alongside Adams in my XI, Campbell never even entered my mind, probably because he has tailed off so badly.

larchielads · 22-09-2010 1:17am

schmeichel keane and shearer should def be in there i know schmeichel is but the other 2 should be for sure and i dont care what anyone says ronaldo should def be in it he's the only player to get world player of the year while playing in the league, to be honest i dont think the league had another world player of the year in it(as in former world player then signed by prem club or a player to be sold from prem club and then get the award). since the pem league started no prem league player ever won the award they've all been playin in italy or spain afaik

Warper · 22-09-2010 1:22am

Le King wrote: »

Seriously? You can't put Bergkamp left mid. Sure why don't we just stick in Viera in at RB just to accommodate him? Why not put Keane in as a RM? Why not put Shearer in as a striker?

You can't just accommodate players. Also Giggs>>>>>>>>>>Bergkamp.

Also lol at "Gary Neville's inclusion highlights the lack of world-class right-backs in the PL." What a joke of a statement. If you can't see he was a class right back then you don't know much at all about football, but I think you already demonstrated that with your Bergkamp at left mid statement.

Eh?? Who said anything about Berkgamp at LM? This is not about tactical formations - the Barclays team is Beckham, Scholes, Giggs and Gerrard in midfield which would get slaughtered these days, who in that bunch can actually tackle? Berkgamp was a better player than Giggs, always was and always will be. If youre getting all specific about formations, then I'm sure we can accomodate Gerrard at LM and play Berkgamp through the middle, just off the strikers.

Gary Neville never made a World XI and never will. He was a quality RB but never anything special. He was no Maicon or Cafu and the fact he was playing for a solid Utd backline made him look a lot better than he actually was. Irwin was a better fullback than Gary Neville.

kryogen · 22-09-2010 1:23am

You could actually make this up purely of united players no?

Schmeichel

Neville

Bruce

Vidic

Irwin

Beckham----Keane

Scholes

Giggs

Cantona

Ronaldo

(gotta get Ronaldo in somehow! and would be a shame to leave out Becks)

Could also include
Evra
Rio
Pally
VDS
RVN
Rooney
Stam
Sheringham? hmmm.....

Warper · 22-09-2010 1:25am

OPENROAD wrote: »

Is Terry that good?

Ya prob not - he is lacking pace behind. As someone said Keown would nearly be ahead of him. Hard to argue with the Keown/Adams CB pairing.

OPENROAD · 22-09-2010 1:28am

kryogen wrote: »

You could actually make this up purely of united players no?
Schmeichel
Neville
Bruce
Vidic
Irwin
Beckham----Keane
Scholes
Giggs
Cantona
Ronaldo

(gotta get Ronaldo in somehow! and would be a shame to leave out Becks)

Or Arsenal

Seaman

Dixon

Adams

Campbell

Cole

Ljungberg----Vieira

Fabregas

Pires

Henry

Bergkamp--

kryogen · 22-09-2010 1:28am

also, any best prem 11 that doesnt include Keane is ****, but will still get people talking

Warper · 22-09-2010 1:28am

Le King wrote: »

Seriously? You can't put Bergkamp left mid. Sure why don't we just stick in Viera in at RB just to accommodate him? Why not put Keane in as a RM? Why not put Shearer in as a striker?

You can't just accommodate players. Also Giggs>>>>>>>>>>Bergkamp.

Also lol at "Gary Neville's inclusion highlights the lack of world-class right-backs in the PL." What a joke of a statement. If you can't see he was a class right back then you don't know much at all about football, but I think you already demonstrated that with your Bergkamp at left mid statement.

Eh?? Who said anything about Berkgamp at LM? This is not about tactical formations - the Barclays team is Beckham, Scholes, Giggs and Gerrard in midfield which would get slaughtered these days, who in that bunch can actually tackle? Berkgamp was a better player than Giggs, always was and always will be. If youre getting all specific about formations, then I'm sure we can accomodate Gerrard at LM and play Berkgamp through the middle, just off the strikers.

Gary Neville never made a World XI and never will. He was a quality RB but never anything special. He was no Maicon or Cafu and the fact he was playing for a solid Utd backline made him look a lot better than he actually was. Irwin was a better fullback than Gary Neville.

argosy2006 · 22-09-2010 1:35am

schemeichel

Gerrard----stam----Desailly---Riise-

asprilla----Keane---Alonso----Giggs

Ronaldo

Shearer

:eek:

aidan24326 · 22-09-2010 1:45am

Warper wrote: »

Bergkamp >>>>> Giggs. Just because someone has played in the PL for donkeys years does not mean they should automatically get in. Berkgamp was more talented than Giggs and should defo get in the team.

You're completely underestimating what Giggs has achieved and just how good he was (and he still aint bad). People are not just selecting him on longevity alone. Giggs was a great player in his day, many defenders commented on what a nightmare he was to mark. And it will be a long long time before anyone gets near his record of 11 PL titles. His inclusion is 100% merited and few would argue otherwise.

Don't get me wrong I think Bergkamp was a superb player and I really wanted to include him but just couldn't have him ahead of Shearer and Henry. In fairness there was pretty tough competiton for the striker positions.

Le King · 22-09-2010 2:27am

Warper wrote: »

Eh?? Who said anything about Berkgamp at LM? This is not about tactical formations - the Barclays team is Beckham, Scholes, Giggs and Gerrard in midfield which would get slaughtered these days, who in that bunch can actually tackle? Berkgamp was a better player than Giggs, always was and always will be. If youre getting all specific about formations, then I'm sure we can accomodate Gerrard at LM and play Berkgamp through the middle, just off the strikers.

Gary Neville never made a World XI and never will. He was a quality RB but never anything special. He was no Maicon or Cafu and the fact he was playing for a solid Utd backline made him look a lot better than he actually was. Irwin was a better fullback than Gary Neville.

I think your completely missing my point. Also you hate Gary Neville, that is clear. When Maicon has been as consistent as Gary Neville for 10+ years then we can start comparisons.

Your being very harsh on the Premier League's best right back. Either way, we will have to agree to disagree.

Reganio 2 · 22-09-2010 3:10am

Should be

Schemeichel

-- Finnan -- Hyypia -- Adams -- Cole
Ronaldo -- Scholes -- LeTisser -- Giggs

Shearer -- Henry

Subs:
Jaaskelainen
Neville
Campbell
Gerrard
Ginola
Zola
Di Canio

Don't see much wrong with that team, probably should have put Neville in the XI but the fact that I don't like him and IMO at their peaks Finnan was better, so Stevie won it. Would have liked to have put Di Canio in, actually feck it I will Drogba is off the bench

. Serious spunkfest over United in this thread, just cause you have played for the team that has won more dosn't mean you were a great player, its might mean you are a great team player or you do your shift, but you aren't suddenly a great player cause you play for United, I know I am a Liverpool fan, but Arsenal are the team I hate, so no bias here

.

Cantona in that main team is a joke.

JohnnyRyan99 · 22-09-2010 3:55am

Reganio 2 wrote: »

Should be
Schemeichel
-- Finnan -- Hyypia -- Adams -- Cole
Ronaldo -- Scholes -- LeTisser -- Giggs
Shearer -- Henry

Subs:
Jaaskelainen
Neville
Campbell
Gerrard
Ginola
Zola
Di Canio

Don't see much wrong with that team, probably should have put Neville in the XI but the fact that I don't like him and IMO at their peaks Finnan was better, so Stevie won it. Would have liked to have put Di Canio in, actually feck it I will Drogba is off the bench . Serious spunkfest over United in this thread, just cause you have played for the team that has won more dosn't mean you were a great player, its might mean you are a great team player or you do your shift, but you aren't suddenly a great player cause you play for United, I know I am a Liverpool fan, but Arsenal are the team I hate, so no bias here .

Cantona in that main team is a joke.

Steve Finnan? :eek: Mods lock this thread..... We've ran our course!!

L'prof · 22-09-2010 7:39am

kryogen wrote: »

also, any best prem 11 that doesnt include Keane is ****, but will still get people talking

Toss up between Keane and Vieira for me. Not sure who I'd side with to be honest.

Iago · 22-09-2010 7:54am

Reganio 2 wrote: »

Should be
Schemeichel
-- Finnan -- Hyypia -- Adams -- Cole
Ronaldo -- Scholes -- LeTisser -- Giggs
Shearer -- Henry

Subs:
Jaaskelainen
Neville
Campbell
Gerrard
Ginola
Zola
Di Canio

Don't see much wrong with that team, probably should have put Neville in the XI but the fact that I don't like him and IMO at their peaks Finnan was better, so Stevie won it. Would have liked to have put Di Canio in, actually feck it I will Drogba is off the bench . Serious spunkfest over United in this thread, just cause you have played for the team that has won more dosn't mean you were a great player, its might mean you are a great team player or you do your shift, but you aren't suddenly a great player cause you play for United, I know I am a Liverpool fan, but Arsenal are the team I hate, so no bias here .

Cantona in that main team is a joke.

I reckon you lose every match you play with that team. To say that one selection is a joke and then not even find a place on the bench for either Keane or Viera is ironic imo

Mister men · 22-09-2010 8:05am

Lack of Fowler devalues team. Inclusion of Cantona is laughable.

#15 · 22-09-2010 8:37am

Mister men wrote: »

Lack of Fowler devalues team. Inclusion of Cantona is laughable.

Oh Jesus.

This thread is a disaster.

pickarooney · 22-09-2010 10:04am

Just noticed that Shearer scored 11 hat-tricks in the Premiership. That's over half Cantona's total, just in hat-tricks.

SlickRic · 22-09-2010 10:12am

Le King wrote: »

Also Giggs>>>>>>>>>>Bergkamp.

i just saw this.

and i really hope you meant to put 'at LW' at the end of it.

because, if not, well...i just don't know...

kryogen wrote: »

You could actually make this up purely of united players no?
Schmeichel
Neville
Bruce
Vidic
Irwin
Beckham----Keane
Scholes
Giggs
Cantona
Ronaldo

you could...

but it wouldn't be a best ever Premier League XI.

event · 22-09-2010 10:33am

argosy2006 wrote: »

schemeichel
Gerrard----stam----Desailly---Riise-

asprilla----Keane---Alonso----Giggs
Ronaldo
Shearer

:eek:

good one

Reganio 2 wrote: »

Should be
Schemeichel
-- Finnan -- Hyypia -- Adams -- Cole
Ronaldo -- Scholes -- LeTisser -- Giggs
Shearer -- Henry

Subs:
Jaaskelainen
Neville
Campbell
Gerrard
Ginola
Zola
Di Canio

Don't see much wrong with that team, probably should have put Neville in the XI but the fact that I don't like him and IMO at their peaks Finnan was better, so Stevie won it. Would have liked to have put Di Canio in, actually feck it I will Drogba is off the bench . Serious spunkfest over United in this thread, just cause you have played for the team that has won more dosn't mean you were a great player, its might mean you are a great team player or you do your shift, but you aren't suddenly a great player cause you play for United, I know I am a Liverpool fan, but Arsenal are the team I hate, so no bias here .

Cantona in that main team is a joke.

no keane?

laughable tbh

Trashbat · 22-09-2010 10:52am

Typical, Tim Flowers overlooked AGAIN :pac:

Its a tough one really as there's always an arguement between Ability and Contribution.

Cantona Vs Shearer is tricky. Cantona influenced more Trophies, but Shearer scored more goals.

Similarly it could be argued that Man Utd defenders weren't as influential on their success (considering the wealth of attacking talent they had) as Arsenal defenders. That being the case, Winterburn and Dixon were more important to a teams success than Evra and Neville.

Vieira loses out because his return to the Prem seems to have devalued his reputation somewhat, but still Vieira & Keane >>>>>> and other midfielders.

Warper · 22-09-2010 11:57am

aidan24326 wrote: »

You're completely underestimating what Giggs has achieved and just how good he was (and he still aint bad). People are not just selecting him on longevity alone. Giggs was a great player in his day, many defenders commented on what a nightmare he was to mark. And it will be a long long time before anyone gets near his record of 11 PL titles. His inclusion is 100% merited and few would argue otherwise.

Don't get me wrong I think Bergkamp was a superb player and I really wanted to include him but just couldn't have him ahead of Shearer and Henry. In fairness there was pretty tough competiton for the striker positions.

I'm not underestimating Giggs at all. I know he was and still is a great player. It is hard to leave him out but I feel Berkgamp cannot be left out. You have to find a place for him somewhere in the team. Also I feel a place should be made for Gerrard. I cant think of any other player who has been so vital to a team in the PL. Liverpool without Gerrard just aint the same thing. He has been the saviour of the team so many times that he must get in.

Prufrock · 22-09-2010 12:47pm

Schemeichel

-- Winterburn -- Adams -- Vidic-- Irwin---

Scholes---Keane ---Giggs

Bergkamp

Shearer -- Cantona

But its down to personal taste. I mean there are so many great players who have played in the PL. Ronaldo, Henry, Ginola, Di Canio, Vieira the list goes on.

eagle eye · 22-09-2010 1:13pm

Schmeichel
Petrescu

McGrath

Vidic

Irwin

Viera

Keane
Ronaldo

Gerrard

Henry

Shearer

Le King · 22-09-2010 5:44pm

SlickRic wrote: »

i just saw this.

and i really hope you meant to put 'at LW' at the end of it.

Giggs is obviously a better left mid than Bergkamp, that was my point as Warper had put Bergkamp at LW. I thought that was obvious

Lukker- · 22-09-2010 6:04pm

Schmeichel

Neville-Terry-Adams-Cole
Ronaldo-Scholes-Lampard-Giggs

Drogba---Henry----

redzerdrog · 22-09-2010 6:05pm

I decided to come up with a team containing none of the sky sports team

seaman

Finnan

hyypia

carvalho

a. cole

keane

alonso

ronaldo

pires

zola

van nistelrooy

up front could easily have been berkamp and shearer or even fowler and drogba!!

just shows how bad the inclusion of cantona is

redzerdrog · 22-09-2010 6:07pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Schmeichel
Petrescu
McGrath
Vidic
Irwin

Viera
Keane
Ronaldo
Gerrard
Henry
Shearer

that mid/attack would be sick good and still quite balanced

shano_88 · 22-09-2010 6:08pm

redzerdrog wrote: »

I decided to come up with a team containing none of the sky sports team

-

il give it a go as well.

Seaman

--Dixon

Vidic

Cambell---Cole--

--Ronaldo--Keane----Viera----Pires----

Shearer

Bergkamp

3hn2givr7mx1sc · 22-09-2010 6:11pm

My non-SS team would be:

Seaman

Dixon---Rio

Vidic---Cole

Alonso--Keane

Ronaldo--Bergkamp--Henry

RVN

The_Kew_Tour · 22-09-2010 6:11pm

Xavi6 wrote: »

Schmeichel

Beckham
Keane
Vieira
Giggs
Gerrard
Scholes

Ronaldo
Bergkamp
Henry
Shearer

Accomodating players ftw

No Cantona???:eek:;)

22-09-2010 6:16pm

adrian280582 wrote: »

No Cantona???:eek:;)

Cantona was an amazing player but he doesn't get in ahead of Shearer,Bergkamp or Henry. Imo. No chance.

flahavaj · 22-09-2010 6:17pm

TEAM FLAH:

Schmeichel

Irwin

Adams

Stam

Cole

Keane

Vieira

Scholes

Ronaldo

Giggs

Henry

Not sure why no one else has put Irwin as RB ahead of Neville, I'd have thought Irwin was a better player and was equally accomplished at Rb as LB (right footed in fact).

Shearer is the most unlucky to miss out, but that team has everything, balance, aggression, passing ability, and a front three that can interchange at will.

#15 · 22-09-2010 6:44pm

flahavaj wrote: »

TEAM FLAH:
Schmeichel

Irwin
Adams
Stam
Cole
Keane
Vieira
Scholes

Ronaldo
Giggs
Henry

Not sure why no one else has put Irwin as RB ahead of Neville, I'd have thought Irwin was a better player and was equally accomplished at Rb as LB (right footed in fact).

Shearer is the most unlucky to miss out, but that team has everything, balance, aggression, passing ability, and a front three that can interchange at will.

That's an unbelievable team. Ronaldo and Henry backed up by Keane, Vieira and Scholes. Fúckin hell.

Utd and Arsenal really have had some electric players over the years.

Also, I'm surprised there aren't many votes for the Liverpool-era Michael Owen.

#15 · 22-09-2010 6:46pm

rarnes1 wrote: »

Cantona was an amazing player but he doesn't get in ahead of Shearer,Bergkamp or Henry. Imo. No chance.

Cantona is up there for his influence and impact upon the Premiership.

#15 · 22-09-2010 6:46pm

Don't suppose there's any point debating the manager of the team...?:pac:

3hn2givr7mx1sc · 22-09-2010 6:47pm

#15 wrote: »

Don't suppose there's any point debating the manager of the team...?:pac:

Yeah, Wenger by a country mile.

:pac:

#15 · 22-09-2010 6:52pm

baz2009 wrote: »

Yeah, Wenger by a country mile.

:pac:

Sorry, I didn't see that post.

3hn2givr7mx1sc · 22-09-2010 6:53pm

#15 wrote: »

Sorry, I didn't see that post.

flahavaj · 22-09-2010 6:56pm

baz2009 wrote: »

I get it #15.:pac:

3hn2givr7mx1sc · 22-09-2010 6:57pm

flahavaj wrote: »

I get it #15.:pac:

I think I get it now.:p
#15 I wasn't being serious.:cool:

Barclays best ever premier league XI

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