Ahern to Use Undercover Kids

starbelgrade

Dermot Ahern, Minister for Justice, is set to use kids from 15-17 in sting operations next month by sending them into licenced premises to try and buy alcohol.

This is in a effort to .... wait for it... crack down on kids buying alcohol.

Nice one Dermot - you really have proven this time, without any shadow of a doubt, that you are a complete & utter moron.

Link; http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0921/breaking62.html

Random

the kids are using ahern here, they'll be able to tell their mates who'll serve them

dan185

and what exactly is the issue with this?

galwayrush

The title is misleading...............:pac::pac::pac:

galwayrush

dan185 wrote: »

and what exactly is the issue with this?

The Minister is getting them to break the law.......:rolleyes:

strokemyclover

Dermot Ahern. Stern. Stern but fair!

amacachi

dan185 wrote: »

and what exactly is the issue with this?

I'm guessing because it's an idea from the current government.

Sanjuro

Me thinks Mr. Aherne has been watching too much 21 Jump Street. Idiot.

phasers

how do the kids apply for this job?

AckwelFoley

starbelgrade wrote: »

Nice one Dermot - you really have proven this time, without any shadow of a doubt, that you are a complete & utter moron.

How does this make him a moron?

Gardai send in Youths, to attempt to buy drink, and if successful - the gardai will take action.

Doesnt seem very stupid to me

Red Hand

Which Hern?

Bazzo

I think that they've been doing this for a while. I've certainly heard about "secret shoppers"(I think that was the term used ) several years ago.

ronanc15

Sure that is being done for years? How else would you suggest they test off licences and shops for serving to underage people?

efb

They arn't breaking the law if he changes it.

Might make offies think twice about serving underage, and less under age drinking Im all for!!!!

bonerm

Sanjuro wrote: »

Me thinks Mr. Aherne has been watching too much 21 Jump Street. Idiot.

Now that's a vintage reference that might be lost on some people! :eek:

DOC09UNAM

galwayrush wrote: »

The Minister is getting them to break the law.......:rolleyes:

The kids aren't breaking the law at all.

squod

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Ahern's not that bad, they've gone to pot altogether over in New Zealand.

Sofiztikated

Ah now, starbel, I usually agree with you however, Imma stop you right there, Beyonce had the greatest video of all time....er, yeah.

It happens all the time, jung'uns going into the shops trying to buy booze/smokes, and the shop gets reported. I don't see what this is making the papers for.

Its a standard practise to find out what shops/pubs are breaking the law.

galwayrush

efb wrote: »

They arn't breaking the law if he changes it.

Might make offies think twice about serving underage, and less under age drinking Im all for!!!!

Agree, but most underage kids who want the booze will do as the've always done, get someone old enough to buy it for them.:rolleyes:

starbelgrade

snyper wrote: »

How does this make him a moron?

Gardai send in Youths, to attempt to buy drink, and if successful - the gardai will take action.

Doesnt seem very stupid to me

It seems idiotic to me. The Gardai already have the powers to ID people who look underage... if there's a problem with enforcement as it stands, it's because the Gardai either don't have enough resources to police it properly or just don't bother.

Using children to help them enforce a law that is not enforced, therefor, seems like a rather bizzare thing to do. And it is, in all essence, using them.

We're not talking about adults here, but kids, who really have no place in Garda operations.

efb

galwayrush wrote: »

Agree, but most underage kids who want the booze will do as the've always done, get someone old enough to buy it for them.:rolleyes:

Agreed but closing channels limits supply, making the amount of drunk knackbags harassing me smaller.

starbelgrade

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Ah now, starbel, I usually agree with you however, Imma stop you right there, Beyonce had the greatest video of all time....er, yeah.

It happens all the time, jung'uns going into the shops trying to buy booze/smokes, and the shop gets reported. I don't see what this is making the papers for.

Its a standard practise to find out what shops/pubs are breaking the law.

Yes - what happens now is that shops get reported for selling to underage kids. I have absolutely no problem with that.

What I have a problem with, is that Gardai will now be actively recruiting children & using them to aid them in sting operations, which in my opinion is a step too far.

They'll even be using kids as young as 15 - kids not even old enough to legally work.

sagat2

starbelgrade wrote: »

Yes - what happens now is that shops get reported for selling to underage kids. I have absolutely no problem with that.

What I have a problem with, is that Gardai will now be actively recruiting children & using them to aid them in sting operations, which in my opinion is a step too far.

They'll even be using kids as young as 15 - kids not even old enough to legally work.

Sending kids into pubs to catch those selling to them is standard practice in the US and many other countries. Big deal out of nothing.

LionelNashe

starbelgrade wrote: »

It seems idiotic to me. The Gardai already have the powers to ID people who look underage... if there's a problem with enforcement as it stands, it's because the Gardai either don't have enough resources to police it properly or just don't bother.

Using children to help them enforce a law that is not enforced, therefor, seems like a rather bizzare thing to do. And it is, in all essence, using them.

We're not talking about adults here, but kids, who really have no place in Garda operations.

Surely its a much more efficient use of resources to send a teenager into the shop and find out straight away if the shop is ignoring the law, instead of having to wait outside a shop on the offchance that a teenager will walk out with alcohol.

starbelgrade

sagat2 wrote: »

Sending kids into pubs to catch those selling to them is standard practice in the US

So is the death penalty.


(Waits for "how can you compare this to the death penalty?" replies, while smiling wryly!)

William Powell

sagat2 wrote: »

Sending kids into pubs to catch those selling to them is standard practice in the US and many other countries. Big deal out of nothing.

Its the job of Trading Standards in the UK. Might be better having the garda responcible for it here as I know the Trading Standards officers in the UK often get attacked after they point out to the traders that they have just broken the law and are going to court and will lose their licence. Trading Standards also run the same operation sending in underage kids buying cigarettes.

Mrmoe

I can't see a problem with this. It seems that it is an efficient way of detecting pubs/off licences that serve people who are underage.

round tower huntsman

well done ff minister:rolleyes: the country is awash with drugs and scumbags. heroin's spreading like a plague to rural towns from the cities and ahern wahts to use cops to stop kids getting their hands on some blue wicked:mad:
ffs, fair enough underage drinking might be a problem but if kids are underage to drink then they're the parents problem.

krudler

"No way man! Im not wearing a wire! get yourself another freakin' patsy man!"

Red Hand

krudler wrote: »

"No way man! Im not wearing a wire! get yourself another freakin' patsy man!"

Oi'm no' a grahss, Copper!:mad:

/The Bill

messymess

phasers wrote: »

how do the kids apply for this job?

The words, juvenile court and community service, come to mind!