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Punishment - No P.E.

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  • #102
    blackrabbit
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭blackrabbit


    I agree with most of what you said Spurious. Going back to the original question, as a teacher I have never kept a child out of any subject, I feel it is their right to be taught every subject on the curriculum no matter what their behaviour. I also think it's completely wrong to leave out any subject. On the other hand I agree with what Golden Earring says also, the curriculum is completely overloaded and it is sometimes almost impossible to fit everything into your week! I also agree that the behaviours we have to deal with are getting worse year by year. I work in a senior inner city school. Since September this year in particular I have tried every possible method to discipline my class, they are a very challenging group with a lot of serious problems at home. I have been cursed at on a few occasions, Ive had to break up fist fights and other members of staff have been physically assaulted. (even after these incidents I let them participate in P.E.) Parents have been called about all serious incidents obviously, but very often we do not get parental support or just no parental involvement whatsoever sometimes. Positive reinforcement is great with most children, especially up to about ten yrs old and I try to use it as much as I can and a lot of the children respond very well to it. With some however you would have to practically give them a playstation3 before they would appreciate any praise, it seems a lot of them have learned from home to only behave when they get a treat! I found a method however which is working for me so far with this class. I got a folder of extra homework worksheets which I haven't even had to use yet, it is on display and used as a threat regularly and amazingly even the thoughts of extra homework is enough to keep them respectful. I know it is theoretically wrong to use work as a threat but when I have exhausted every other possible method I dont feel this is wrong. I think it's disgraceful that some teacher's are just cancelling P.E. or any other subject!


  • #103
    RibenaHead
    Registered Users Posts: 312 ✭✭RibenaHead


    GoldenEarring wrote: »
    Do you really expect an ordinary teacher to be skilled in Music, Drama, PE, SPHE, IT/Computers, Art and Craft, History, Geography, Science, Green Issues, Irish, English, Religion, Maths etc etc? You'd want to be superman/superwoman.
    Many teachers have strenghts in certain areas eg Music or It, but few excel in them all.

    Very true! I find that I'm a lot more confident with certain subjects than others. I think it's unfair that a child may not get to experience music/drama/P.E./art/science etc. fully because their teacher is not AMAZING at everything! Teachers are human beings after all. Perhaps there should be specialist teachers for certain subjects in primary school.


  • #104
    byhookorbycrook
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,507 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    RibenaHead wrote: »
    Very true! I find that I'm a lot more confident with certain subjects than others. I think it's unfair that a child may not get to experience music/drama/P.E./art/science etc. fully because their teacher is not AMAZING at everything! Teachers are human beings after all. Perhaps there should be specialist teachers for certain subjects in primary school.
    In our school we swop for subjects as needed. An example would be our traditional music classes, where children go to different rooms according to ability. It takes a bit of organisation but works very well for the children.


  • #105
    RibenaHead
    Registered Users Posts: 312 ✭✭RibenaHead


    @byhookorbycrook
    That sounds great! It should probably be done in more schools!


  • #106
    whydoibother?
    Closed Accounts Posts: 758 ✭✭✭whydoibother?


    I don't think a teacher should exclude a child from PE where there is no connection between that and what they have done wrong e.g. "you were too loud during Irish, you're not getting PE", but I don't think that happens anyway.

    I do, however think, that whenever children are disrupting a class, teachers should have much tougher sanctions available to them. When I was at school, I would say 20% or more of what the teacher said was "be quiet", "stop talking", "if you don't pay attention now I will ... (insert empty threat)". If they are expected to do their jobs properly, they need to be given the tools - in this case, authority. I even experienced this in top stream classes in secondary school. It's not always the person with little ability and no interest in their education. 7 years later, the memory of one show-offs irritating smart comments/questions still angers me because he and his friends held up class so much I often gave up on trying to learn anything. He's now a doctor I believe.


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