Anglo Staff Member Commits Suicide - Sean Fitzpatrick still laughing

Minstrel27

kylith wrote: »

It's not selfish to have no consideration for the people who found his body? or for his wife and how she's going to cope without her husband? or for his children who will grow up fatherless? or for his family and friends who will forever blame themselves for 'not seeing it' and wondering why he didn't talk to them about his problems?

If he was in right mind then yes. Consider this for a second. What kind of rational mindset allows someone to end their life?

seamus

Minstrel27 wrote: »

If he was in right mind then yes. Consider this for a second. What kind of rational mindset allows someone to end their life?

Or think of it another way:

He probably considered all of the fallout and found that continuing his life was worse than all of it put together. Ending his life was the lesser of two evils, in his mind. Most of us cannot comprehend that level of despair/depression unless we've been there.

RoadKillTs

His family will never get over this, and that is selfishness on his part; ending his own problems, but heaping 10 times the amount on his family.

I used to think like that but after going through depression myself my opinion has changed a lot.

Depression is something that runs very deep inside and its very hard to understand unless you have been through it yourself.

People who take their own lives do not want to die they just want to escape the pain.

Morlar

RIP to the family. Fitzpatrick on the other hand should be in prison.


Can anyone explain what this is about ?

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/wife-worth-euro3m-as-seanie-laughs-all-the-way-to-court-2349465.html

There were extraordinary scenes following the brief court appearance when the disgraced banker was given a warm welcome in the Barrister's Tea Room in the Four Courts.

A number of lawyers gathered in the law library's restaurant, shook his hand and joined him for mid-morning tea.

danh789

Pathetic attempt by the OP to have a go at Fitzpatrick.

I despise the man as much as the next person but this thread is just tactless and ignorant.

kowloon

A lot of suicidal people believe they are doing everyone a favour by killing themselves, it's a twisted mindset, but they believe it nonetheless. Given that belief I would say it's the opposite of selfish.

kylith

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

You really haven't a f**ing clue do you?

Funnily enough, I do. There was a time in the past that I contemplated it myself. I have friends who were preparing to do it. I know people who have found the bodies. I lived for a while in fear that I would come home and find my manic depressive housemate hanging from the bannister.

Luckily, when I was thinking about it I realised what it would do to my parents to find me, and my siblings to live with the guilt that they should somehow have known and done something, and the fact that the people I would be killing myself to escape from wouldn't actually give a **** that I was dead.

Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. There is always a better option.

I'll thank you not to assume what I have a clue about.

Wagon

latenia wrote: »

Obviously I feel sorry for the man's family but he was part of a criminal organisation that has stolen 10s of thousands of euros fom each of us and he benefitted financially from this. Getting called cunts or being spat at is a very small price for what has been done to the country, no matter what level of the organisation they work at.

You sir, are an idiot of the highest order.

Mod note: The poster was banned for this post.

Riddle101 wrote: »

Whether Stephen Doyle couldn't cope with the abuse he was receiving is not the problem. The issue I have is that he left his wife and two nine month old daughters behind like that. I can't respect a man who would do something so selfish, so I won't be giving my condolences to the man. Instead I pray for the family that they will be able to cope now without him. I'm not sure if the wife works or not but these are hard economical times, and if the wife is taken care of the children then who is out bringing in the wages to support the family?

Again, you aren't the sharpest knife in the box are you? It's about a man who was destroyed by the public.

kylith wrote: »

It's not selfish to have no consideration for the people who found his body? or for his wife and how she's going to cope without her husband? or for his children who will grow up fatherless? or for his family and friends who will forever blame themselves for 'not seeing it' and wondering why he didn't talk to them about his problems?

I have nothing but sympathy for this poor man, but suicide is never a selfless act, no matter what the person may think at the time. His family will never get over this, and that is selfishness on his part; ending his own problems, but heaping 10 times the amount on his family.

Well, if you are getting abused every day to the point that you feel the world is better off without you, it can skew someones view on what is selfish and what is not.

People still can't get their head around that the man obviously thought he was doing something beneficial for people by taking his own life (again, getting abused frequently every day of your working week for something that is far from your would be enough to bring anyone down). The fact that people are still inclined to blame things entirely on him and not on the people who dragged him there, is fairly disturbing.

Nodin

latenia wrote: »

Obviously I feel sorry for the man's family but he was part of a criminal organisation that has stolen 10s of thousands of euros fom each of us and he benefitted financially from this. Getting called cunts or being spat at is a very small price for what has been done to the country, no matter what level of the organisation they work at.

He would have had no input or great knowledge of what went on at all. Buisinesses are not a democracy. In monsters like anglo independent thinking would not be welcome. I suggest you reserve your ire for the chiefs, not the poor natives at their mercy.

Craptacular

Confab wrote: »

How is an election going to help? Enda Kenny looks like he's been touched by priests and Gilmore will be snuggling into the unions' anus as fast as you can say 'Labour'. Oh, and Gormley will be flouncing through the fields FAS bought picking flowers.

Face it, none of the other parties will be any better. An election will do nothing constructive.

Brilliant post. You're absolutely spot on. Instead of trying some of the other parties we should keep rewarding the FF lads that got us into this mess by leaving them in their highly paid jobs with the free cars and massive pensions.

PeterIanStaker

Fitzpatrick is down to €188 a month. . . and the c*nt still has more cash than I do. :mad:

Snakeblood

Wagon wrote: »

You sir, are an idiot of the highest order.

Again, you aren't the sharpest knife in the box are you? It's about a man who was destroyed by the public.

Well, if you are getting abused every day to the point that you feel the world is better off without you, it can skew someones view on what is selfish and what is not.

People still can't get their head around that the man obviously thought he was doing something beneficial for people by taking his own life (again, getting abused frequently every day of your working week for something that is far from your would be enough to bring anyone down). The fact that people are still inclined to blame things entirely on him and not on the people who dragged him there, is fairly disturbing.

The people who dragged him there probably didn't think as a group that that would be the end result. They'd been dragged to the state of hurling abuse at employees by the company that employed him.

I've tremendous sympathy for the man, suicide is a terrible thing and it's sad he thought that was his best option, but I'm not sure I'd blame the people who were driven to insult someone else because Anglo Irish helped make them paupers. Well, maybe a tiny bit each.

RedXIV

Condolances to the family

dr.bollocko

Folks lets not resort to any further personal abuse. If you disagree with the poster argue with the points they make.
Personal abuse will earn you a ban as has already happened with a number of posts here.

petes

dr.bollocko wrote: »

Folks lets not resort to any further personal abuse. If you disagree with the poster argue with the points they make.
Personal abuse will earn you a ban as has already happened with a number of posts here.

I never said anything about the poster in question but ony made reference to the statementes they had made and yet the post was still deleted.

Sticky_Fingers

Morlar wrote: »

RIP to the family. Fitzpatrick on the other hand should be in prison.


Can anyone explain what this is about ?

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/wife-worth-euro3m-as-seanie-laughs-all-the-way-to-court-2349465.html

That my friend is about cute hoorism, sure how did you do it Seanie and isn't terrible that they are coming after you after all the good work that you've done. It's about a sickness that has festered in this country since its foundation, we got rid of the British but we have kept the school tie system and the old boys club that they have managed to shrug off.

It is what is truly wrong with this country, from these ranks will come our future judges and law makers and they are having tea with a man who has heralded the ruination of this state. This country needs to wake up, we are acting like 19th century serfs tugging our forelocks to these bottom feeders and confidence tricksters. They have presided over what may very well be the economic destruction of our nation and they have the gall to celebrate (or commiserate) with one of its principle architects.

The Greeks said that they are not like the Irish but its the absolute contempt shown to the people of this nation by these parasites that makes me wish that we had a bit more Greek in us.

IvyTheTerrible

Snakeblood wrote: »

...but I'm not sure I'd blame the people who were driven to insult someone else because Anglo Irish helped make them paupers. Well, maybe a tiny bit each.

There are people going in shouting abuse at staff in all the banks. And knowing people in my family who work in banks, the people who give the worst abuse are NOT the people who are now broke. They are people who have money but no manners and are using the recession to hurl abuse and get out of paying. Genuinely hard up people are not usually as bad, aparently.

Also people who work as cashiers are not paid huge salaries, and they have no say in company policy so they don't deserve to be abuse and spat upon (yes, that has happened) doing their jobs while the people who actually caused the problem never meet the public and get chauffeur driven to work.

Gummy Panda

Shows you how much the Irish public doesn't know how to complain.

--Kaiser--

kylith wrote: »

It's not selfish to have no consideration for the people who found his body? or for his wife and how she's going to cope without her husband? or for his children who will grow up fatherless? or for his family and friends who will forever blame themselves for 'not seeing it' and wondering why he didn't talk to them about his problems?

I have nothing but sympathy for this poor man, but suicide is never a selfless act, no matter what the person may think at the time. His family will never get over this, and that is selfishness on his part; ending his own problems, but heaping 10 times the amount on his family.

This tbh.
If his job was the reason his mental health degraded then he should have just quit. Of course I'm sure it wasn't as simple as that, but you can't really blame Sean Fitzpatrick nor the angry customers.

Snakeblood

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

There are people going in shouting abuse at staff in all the banks. And knowing people in my family who work in banks, the people who give the worst abuse are NOT the people who are now broke. They are people who have money but no manners and are using the recession to hurl abuse and get out of paying. Genuinely hard up people are not usually as bad, aparently.

Also people who work as cashiers are not paid huge salaries, and they have no say in company policy so they don't deserve to be abuse and spat upon (yes, that has happened) doing their jobs while the people who actually caused the problem never meet the public and get chauffeur driven to work.

No, they don't deserve it, but I understand why people are doing it. Anglo Irish **** the bed, and everyone else is being asked to clean it up.

If I was rich (I'm not) and I was being asked to give a huge amount of money to fix a mistake I didn't make, I'd be pissed off too. I'm poor and I'm also pissed off at being asked to give a huge amount of money. I don't think receiving abuse is part of Anglo Irish customer service job description but I have a certain amount of understanding for why it is happening.

Nodin

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Shows you how much the Irish public doesn't know how to complain.

..all they have to do now is aim it all at the right people...

ejmaztec

There never is and never was any point venting anger on the minions, because any shady deals done by the hierarchy would have been buried away from prying eyes.

People are better off getting organised, and trying to find a legal method of nailing the shady bastards involved in bringing Ireland to its knees.

I get the impression that bankruptcy proceedings against the perpetrators, are being delayed, so that they can shift their assets around, and avoid getting financially wiped out. I think that anything that got "transferred" more than two years prior to bankruptcy gets ignored, and that most of the wheeler-dealing took place more than two years ago.

stovelid

latenia wrote: »

I'm not going to comment further because I'm only getting people's hackles up and the aftermath of this incident is the wrong time to make this point. At this stage every single staff member at Anglo is fully aware that they're in receipt of stolen money-the honourable thing to do would be to resign enmasse.

I know somebody that works in Anglo: just a lad with a family doing a normal job in tough times.

Your post(s) utterly beggar belief and surely must be taking the piss.

Grow up.

Anybody heckling normal front-line staff a-la Anglo want their heads kicked in. Imbeciles.

Loopy

kylith wrote: »

Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. There is always a better option.

No there is not always a better option.
Some people do not want to on this earth and while this sucks, it is the individuals choice.

Sticky_Fingers

kylith wrote: »

Funnily enough, I do. There was a time in the past that I contemplated it myself. I have friends who were preparing to do it. I know people who have found the bodies. I lived for a while in fear that I would come home and find my manic depressive housemate hanging from the bannister.

Luckily, when I was thinking about it I realised what it would do to my parents to find me, and my siblings to live with the guilt that they should somehow have known and done something, and the fact that the people I would be killing myself to escape from wouldn't actually give a **** that I was dead.

Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. There is always a better option.

I'll thank you not to assume what I have a clue about.

+1, you hit the nail on the head with this post. As a country we have a problem with suicide, especially young people taking their lives. While I personally understand how people can feel that it is the only way out this post shows that suicide is not a solution in these circumstances. It is nothing more than the creator of problems and pain for your loved ones. I fear we are going to see the suicide rates in this country shoot up in the coming years.

Remember that while it may not seem like it all your problems are small beans, you are going to be dead forever, don't try to cash in early no matter how bad the cards are falling because once your out you can't buy back in.

Riddle101

Insurgent wrote: »

You obviously don't know "full well" about suicide.

I do actually. See i'm not just someone who hasn't expierenced this type of stuff in my life. My grandma's next door neightbour(who I knew very well, as he used to mind me) committed suicide 10 years ago. my cousin tried to do it last week, so I'm well aware of it, and the impact it has on peoples lives, As well a reading up on it. Committing suicide isn't something that should be accepted as simply as you people make it out to be. The fact that the guy did it and the reasons he did, is sad, but the impact it would have on his family, are a far bigger then you can imagine. He has a wife with two nine month old daughters. I would never ever want to abandon my family by doing such a thing and having them fend for themselves. I just don't see this particular suicide as an excuse to feel sorry for the guy like you do.

Minstrel27 wrote: »

Stop kidding yourself.

How about you add something to the argument instead of criticising posters who have a different view to you

deisedevil wrote: »

It's got nothing to do with being selfish. Probably the most ignorant post I have read in some time. Even for after hours!

Nothing to do? Now who's being ignorant. You do realise that there are people who have died at young ages, who didn't want/need to die don't you. People who are fathers, husbands, brothers, sisters, sons, daugthers etc who for no reason other then beause it's nature have died due to things such as cancer, aids, heartattacks or any other sickness that can kill. People who have died in their sleep, people who have drop dead for no reason. Sh!t like that. Then you have this guy who voluntarilly ends his life. Those people that I mentioned who die through unexpected things, they didn't ask to die. They didn't want their lives to end, yet they had no choice. They couldn't decided whether to live or die. In the process some of them may have left their families in a very bad way. But this guy, he did have a choice and he chose the selfish way. So excuse me if I don't feel sympathetic to his cause but there is a bigger picture here. Something you and the other posters who I have quoted in my post, don't seem to understand

My name is URL

I don't see why the article needed to suggest that the reason he killed himself was because of the abuse he sometimes got. Many bankers receive abuse and don't commit suicide. It's a tragic story, as all suicides are.. but there's no need to put the blame on to people who have criticised the banking sector over the last few years, that's no way to deal with suicide.. by shifting the responsibility on to the wider public. Of course having said that, abusing individuals who were only doing their job is retarded.

Snakeblood

ejmaztec wrote: »

There never is and never was any point venting anger on the minions, because any shady deals done by the hierarchy would have been buried away from prying eyes.

People are better off getting organised, and trying to find a legal method of nailing the shady bastards involved in bringing Ireland to its knees.

I get the impression that bankruptcy proceedings against the perpetrators, are being delayed, so that they can shift their assets around, and avoid getting financially wiped out. I think that anything that got "transferred" more than two years prior to bankruptcy gets ignored, and that most of the wheeler-dealing took place more than two years ago.

Who said there was a point to it?

Whoever is responsible for it should be shot with balls of their own sh!te, I'm just saying I find it somewhat understandable that people are venting at a representative of the company that helped pauperise a nation.

Odaise Gaelach

Two thumbs up to the Tribune for including the number for the Samaritans at the end of the article. Very useful number, that.

gizmo

My name is URL wrote: »

I don't see why the article needed to suggest that the reason he killed himself was because of the abuse he sometimes got. Many bankers receive abuse and don't commit suicide. It's a tragic story, as all suicides are.. but there's no need to put the blame on to people who have criticised the banking sector over the last few years, that's no way to deal with suicide.. by shifting the responsibility on to the wider public. Of course having said that, abusing individuals who were only doing their job is retarded.

The article didn't really need to suggest it, the chain of events makes it quite clear what led to the change in his emotional state.

As for the issue in general, one hopes that the "**** the bankers" attitude of some people may change to reflect who was actually responsible for the situation rather than the current stupidly generalised term which is constantly thrown around.

ejmaztec

Snakeblood wrote: »

Who said there was a point to it?

Whoever is responsible for it should be shot with balls of their own sh!te, I'm just saying I find it somewhat understandable that people are venting at a representative of the company that helped pauperise a nation.

The "mob" thinks there's a point to it.

I'd understand it if they went after the right people, but they're not going to find any of them in their local branch, or any other branch for that matter. Until someone decides to go after the big knobs, people like Fitzpatrick will continue laughing their heads off, because they've still got lots of arse-licking friends in high places, who are going to help them to get away with what they've done.

Cheeky_gal

Riddle101 wrote: »

But this guy, he did have a choice and he chose the selfish way. So excuse me if I don't feel sympathetic to his cause but there is a bigger picture here. Something you and the other posters who I have quoted in my post, don't seem to understand

Your opinion is ludacris, t's actually sickening to think that that's your attitude. It's not selfish, it's a tragedy. You should count yourself lucky that you have never gotten so low in your life that you yourself have contemplated it, I couldn't even imagine how empty he must have felt. Imagine the pain in ending your life, it must have been going through his head for years.

I can see your point on the family issue, of course it's horrible for them but my God if they were able to put themselves in his head for one day to see what exactly he was enduring then by golly I'm sure they wouldn't have wanted to see him get worse and worse and worse. Some people get to a stage where they've gone too far imo, and obviously he was one of these people. RIP

evercloserunion

Snakeblood wrote: »

Who said there was a point to it?

Whoever is responsible for it should be shot with balls of their own sh!te, I'm just saying I find it somewhat understandable that people are venting at a representative of the company that helped pauperise a nation.

It is understandable, insofar as it is understandable that some people are incredibly stupid and don't give a sh*t about anyone except themselves. Did this customer rep cause the banking crisis? Did he squander billions of taxpayers' money? Of course not. But the mob decided he did, and now he's dead.

MingulayJohnny

Snakeblood wrote: »

Who said there was a point to it?

Whoever is responsible for it should be shot with balls of their own sh!te, I'm just saying I find it somewhat understandable that people are venting at a representative of the company that helped pauperise a nation.

Venting is one thing which in fairness is all a lot of people are doing and when savings etc are at stake it's understandable that people will get very irate & frustrated. What's not cool is the type of people who expect a CS agent to move the earth for them and satisfy ridiculous demands. Some of them will even create a personal vendetta and post all sorts of crap on the internet about you.

People need to understand that CS agents are restricted by the rules set out by the company that they work for and sometimes have no great grá for that particular company themselves. While I don't like being described as a representative of the company I work for , to the customer I am. Just remember that I'm the guy with a phone and a PC ( that is slow and needs updates ) who can't give you what you want\need if the company says it's not possible.

squod

scientific1982 wrote: »

Sean Fitzpatrick should be tried for economic treason.

The people who bailed Anglo should be tried for economic treason. Remember Anglo was a private little bank. Now Anglo is a stone around our neck.

My name is URL

gizmo wrote: »

The article didn't really need to suggest it, the chain of events makes it quite clear what led to the change in his emotional state.

As for the issue in general, one hopes that the "**** the bankers" attitude of some people may change to reflect who was actually responsible for the situation rather than the current stupidly generalised term which is constantly thrown around.

It's one chain of events.. nobody knows what else was happening in the guys life that may have lent itself to his decision to end it. I just think it's a bit rich for the media to be playing it up as an act of escape from the public when they've been the ones stoking the fire for the last 2 years.

28064212

My name is URL wrote: »

It's one chain of events.. nobody knows what else was happening in the guys life that may have lent itself to his decision to end it. I just think it's a bit rich for the media to be playing it up as an act of escape from the public when they've been the ones stoking the fire for the last 2 years.

+1

Another article could have just as easily slanted it to point out that the changes in his behaviour came about after his children were born. Male Post-Partum Depression is hardly unheard of. Not to mention that his wife left work at the same time, leaving him as the sole bread-winner, which is a very high-pressure situation to be in.

Does that mean his wife and kids are to blame for his suicide? Of course not, but neither is it the fault of Anglo-Irish, the members of the public who shouted towards him, Dail Eireann, the recession, Liverpool losing against Man Utd or any of the other 3000 factors which may have caused him to decide suicide was the answer.

Riddle101

Cheeky_gal wrote: »

Your opinion is ludacris, t's actually sickening to think that that's your attitude. It's not selfish, it's a tragedy. You should count yourself lucky that you have never gotten so low in your life that you yourself have contemplated it, I couldn't even imagine how empty he must have felt. Imagine the pain in ending your life, it must have been going through his head for years.

I can see your point on the family issue, of course it's horrible for them but myGod if they were able to put themselves in his head for one day to see what exactly he was enduring then by golly I'm sure they wouldn't have wanted to see him get worse and worse and worse. Some people get to a stage where they've gone too far imo, and obviously he was one of these people. RIP

In other words try walking a mile in the mans feet before judging him right. Like I said before, i'm not so distanced to suicide that i haven't expierenced it first hand. My cousin like I said before tried it last week. But unlike this guy, I could understand why my cousin might have. He was burned as a child and was horribly scarred in the face when he was 8. His father was an alcholic who used to beat his mother, and eventually walked out on his family. His mother died 4 years ago, leaving his eldest sister of 18 to take care of him and his younger sister of 13, he was 15 at the time. Despite all that, the family have had to deal with his mothers alcholism problem as well before she died, so they had a pretty rough life and the only one who was close enough to a parent was their grandmother who is now in a retirement home unable to take care of herself now. Now my family, and our relatives have all tried to help out and support them as best we could, but in the end they had a lot to deal with. A lot of traumatic stuff happen. Now ask yourself this, compare my cousin's story to this man's and tell me which is the better grounds to commit suicide. Now luckily we managed to stop my cousin before anything bad really happened almost bearly, but i'm not so blind that I don't understand it. BTW I know it's wrong to be comparing those type of stories, it a terrible thing really but in the interest of whether people think the guy committing suicide is reasonable enough, I just want people to know that there are a lot worse off people. Maybe the guy was far to gone to understand it, but my heart goes out to the family.

Like I said before, it's tragic and I guess in some ways feel sorry for him, I really do. But the idea of how his family will cope is what i'm thinking about

walter sobchak

Sticky_Fingers wrote: »

+1, you hit the nail on the head with this post. As a country we have a problem with suicide, especially young people taking their lives. While I personally understand how people can feel that it is the only way out this post shows that suicide is not a solution in these circumstances. It is nothing more than the creator of problems and pain for your loved ones. I fear we are going to see the suicide rates in this country shoot up in the coming years.

Remember that while it may not seem like it all your problems are small beans, you are going to be dead forever, don't try to cash in early no matter how bad the cards are falling because once your out you can't buy back in.

You might want to reconsider your sig. if this is your opinion... pretty bad taste in the light of this thread

Plautus

Fraught mental states are just that - it isn't a pissing contest of which had the better 'grounds', the worse childhood trauma, for killing themselves. Really, Riddle101, for someone who claims to have experience of the phenomenon of suicide you're being remarkably insensitive. Suicide has major consequences and repercussions for family members, this is not being denied, but the people who do it are ill, not selfish. It's just needlessly judgmental language you're using.

Riddle101

Plautus wrote: »

Fraught mental states are just that - it isn't a pissing contest of which had the better 'grounds', the worse childhood trauma, for killing themselves. Really, for someone who claims to have experience of the phenomenon of suicide you're being remarkably insensitive. Suicide has major consequences and repercussions for family members, this is not being denied, but the people who do it are ill, not selfish. It's just needlessly judgmental language you're using.

I assume you're talking to me. Well I guess maybe I am being a bit harsh and insensitive. Suicide is a sensitive issue after all. But at the same time it's wrong to justify it as well.

gizmo

My name is URL wrote: »

It's one chain of events.. nobody knows what else was happening in the guys life that may have lent itself to his decision to end it. I just think it's a bit rich for the media to be playing it up as an act of escape from the public when they've been the ones stoking the fire for the last 2 years.

Occam's Razor to be honest. Large numbers of people harassing him on a daily basis, his health begins to decline, he's then moved away from this position after staff and management see what was going on and become concerned. Soon later he kills himself. While it certainly doesn't prove anything, I think it's quite obvious what happened.

For argument's sake though, let's consider the alternative, that his depression was caused by some other reason. That still doesn't excuse the abuse he was getting from the public, even if it wasn't what caused him to eventually take his own life.

And spitting at people? Don't even get me ****ing started...

Plautus

Nobody's justifying his suicide Riddle101 (as in what, suggesting it was a great idea?) From what I can see, they're objecting mainly to the use of the word 'selfish' to describe the actions of a person suffering mental distress. Either mental illness that impairs cognitive function and decision-making ability is just as life-threatening as heart disease or cancer or it isn't. If it is, then why not describe those who succumb to physical illnesses as selfish? Because you know that you'd look a bit of a dick if you did?

Point being that a person in the pits of depression rarely has the benefit of perspective. Talk of 'selfishness' is anathema to any serious discussion of suicide, perhaps even downright ignorant of the mental state a person is in. As someone else mentioned in the thread earlier - people who commit suicide often think they're doing the world a favour by rubbing themselves out of existence.

They're not right of course, but they don't deserve stigma either. They deserve non-judgmental medical treatment that will get them back on an even keel.

leddpipe

seamus wrote: »

To be fair, this isn't Sean Fitzpatrick's fault.

It's the fault of the morons who have been/are giving ordinary staff members abuse because of who they're working for.

Standing outside abusing people going in and out of the building? Animals. They're to blame for this guy's death.

including many boardsies im sure!

jackiebaron

Poor bastard should have come to work dressed in janitor's overalls and changed into his shirt and tie inside. He might have avoided the abuse from the scumbags.

j1974

Vim Fuego wrote: »

I feel bad for that guy's wife & kids. In this case, it did say they moved him to a non-public facing role so Anglo did what they could for him. Jesus, just quit* - the only people that should be swinging for this are Seanie, Fingers & co.

*yeah, easy for me to say I know but still, I'd give unemployment a go before the noose. It's not like his wife & kids will be getting any insurance money now or anything. Sorry to be critical of the guy but I've seen this sort of thing in my own life and it's frustrating to see.

unfortunately as of late, most men are forced to give unemployment a go and then choosing the noose, sad but true. it seems to be a natural progression for the more heavily burdened and fragile minds.

Makes me ****in sick, during the election brian lenihan and pat carey tried to shake my hand and i told them No thanks, ive just washed my hands now **** off. but in truth, as I wandered round the supermarket with the missus I was pondering buyin a half dozen of cappoquinns finest and bouncin them off their teflon suits. when i came out, they'd gone.

sock puppet

Riddle101 wrote: »

In other words try walking a mile in the mans feet before judging him right. Like I said before, i'm not so distanced to suicide that i haven't expierenced it first hand. My cousin like I said before tried it last week. But unlike this guy, I could understand why my cousin might have. He was burned as a child and was horribly scarred in the face when he was 8. His father was an alcholic who used to beat his mother, and eventually walked out on his family. His mother died 4 years ago, leaving his eldest sister of 18 to take care of him and his younger sister of 13, he was 15 at the time. Despite all that, the family have had to deal with his mothers alcholism problem as well before she died, so they had a pretty rough life and the only one who was close enough to a parent was their grandmother who is now in a retirement home unable to take care of herself now. Now my family, and our relatives have all tried to help out and support them as best we could, but in the end they had a lot to deal with. A lot of traumatic stuff happen. Now ask yourself this, compare my cousin's story to this man's and tell me which is the better grounds to commit suicide. Now luckily we managed to stop my cousin before anything bad really happened almost bearly, but i'm not so blind that I don't understand it. BTW I know it's wrong to be comparing those type of stories, it a terrible thing really but in the interest of whether people think the guy committing suicide is reasonable enough, I just want people to know that there are a lot worse off people. Maybe the guy was far to gone to understand it, but my heart goes out to the family.

Like I said before, it's tragic and I guess in some ways feel sorry for him, I really do. But the idea of how his family will cope is what i'm thinking about

What bizzare reasoning. You talk as if external factors are the only things that ever influence people's decisions.

aidan24326

Sticky_Fingers wrote: »

From OP's Indo link



I think I'm going to be sick

ejmaztec wrote: »

The "mob" thinks there's a point to it.

I'd understand it if they went after the right people, but they're not going to find any of them in their local branch, or any other branch for that matter. Until someone decides to go after the big knobs, people like Fitzpatrick will continue laughing their heads off, because they've still got lots of arse-licking friends in high places, who are going to help them to get away with what they've done.

I think I'm going to be sick too. Fitzpatrick was given some kind of hero's welcome into the barrister's tearoom? WTF? (he's not a lawyer in case anyone was wondering).

Though really I'm not too surprised. That the law library should openly welcome a gangster like him into their midst shows you what you're dealing with there. Inside the walls of the four courts goldmines lies another layer of protection for the elite few that have looted and bankupted this country.

"The cause of our problem was global, so I can't say 'sorry' with any kind of sincerity".
FitzPatrick addressed the government in another speech on the same day and recommended cutting spending on what he called the "sacred cows" of Irish society: children, the elderly and health care.

Chairman Meow

moonpurple wrote: »

today independant newspaper

http://www.independent.ie/national-n...t-2349465.html

everyone has to use the four courts entrance facing the river unless you have the ID to use the law library entrance, city centre end, side street, which means that your are a barrister, solicitor, courts service employee, or still a protected insider..sean fitzpatrick

this guy is no longer laughing up his sleeve at us, he is just laughing at us..:cool:

one rule for some
another rule for everybody else?

Not quite true, anyone can EXIT fromt he luas side entrance, but only us in the know can use it as an entrance.

Riddle101

Plautus wrote: »

Nobody's justifying his suicide Riddle101 (as in what, suggesting it was a great idea?) From what I can see, they're objecting mainly to the use of the word 'selfish' to describe the actions of a person suffering mental distress. Either mental illness that impairs cognitive function and decision-making ability is just as life-threatening as heart disease or cancer or it isn't. If it is, then why not describe those who succumb to physical illnesses as selfish? Because you know that you'd look a bit of a dick if you did?

Point being that a person in the pits of depression rarely has the benefit of perspective. Talk of 'selfishness' is anathema to any serious discussion of suicide, perhaps even downright ignorant of the mental state a person is in. As someone else mentioned in the thread earlier - people who commit suicide often think they're doing the world a favour by rubbing themselves out of existence.

They're not right of course, but they don't deserve stigma either. They deserve non-judgmental medical treatment that will get them back on an even keel.

It depends on how deep his depression was though. If it was so bad that his mind and judgment were clouded to the point where he wasn't thinking straight then maybe my comments about him being selfish were wrong. But if it was to the point that he still had his state of mind, then I don't know, when you have a family that are proberly counting on you to bring home the money, and you still have your wits about you. How do you find suicide is the only option. Again, maybe it's wrong to label all suicide as selfish. But it's something that i'm strongly oppossed to(suicide).