Ahmadinejad : "Most people" believe US behind 9/11

uprising2

Ahmadinejad is right, most people do believe the US was behind 9/11, I'm one of them.

Firstly there was the NORAD standdown, the first plane should have been intercepted before it hit the first tower, it was confirmed hijacked and watched, just watched, then the BS that was spouted later about transponders turned off and they didn't know this or that, great news for an airforce going to bomb some country, turn off your transponder and bomb with impunity.:rolleyes:
My father in law was a military man, started his career avoiding US spy satellites in a mobile missile launcher, ended his career as the overall commander of his countries troops in Afghanistan, he doesn't believe Bin Laden or Al Quaeda was behind it either, he thinks Israel were behind it.

Senator Mark Dayton thinks norad and faa are full of BS and telling porkies.
Senator Mark Dayton Says NORAD and FAA Lied about 9/11
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a073004dayton

When jets were finally scrambled it seems they weren't in any hurry, they headed for their intercepts well below top speed and were sent from airforce bases far from the action, kinda like the gardai knowing there was an armed robbery taking place, having a cup of tea, then when they were finished their tea making their way to the scene of the crime at 30 kmh and sending a car from Galway when the robbery had taken place in Dublin.
Andrews airforce base, a few miles from the pentagon seemingly had no aircraft ready to scramble, despite the fact it was the first line of defence for an attack on Washington dc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nRoGNqiHBY

NORAD Stand-Down
The Prevention of Interceptions of the Commandeered Planes
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/norad/

Lots of damning evidence that Norad were stood down, a timeline, some articles about planes that flew "Too close to the whitehouse", worth a look.
http://standdown.net/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xpfy16d7GZc

Some more people who don't swallow the official bollox are architects and engineer's for 9/11.
http://www2.ae911truth.org/11rfa911.php

1321 verified architectural and engineering professionals
and 9827 other supporters including A&E students
have signed the petition demanding of Congress
a truly independent investigation.
http://www.ae911truth.org/

Then the 9/11 "Hijackers" that are still on the FBI website as the "Terrorist Hijackers" but are still alive and well.......strange one that!
MANY 9-11 "HIJACKERS" ARE STILL ALIVE.
http://guardian.150m.com/september-eleven/hijackers-alive.htm

The fbi's page on binladen doesn't even suggest he's a suspect in 9/11,
MURDER OF U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES; CONSPIRACY TO MURDER U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES; ATTACK ON A FEDERAL FACILITY RESULTING IN DEATH

[SIZE=+1]CAUTION[/SIZE]
USAMA BIN LADEN IS WANTED IN CONNECTION WITH THE AUGUST 7, 1998, BOMBINGS OF THE UNITED STATES EMBASSIES IN DAR ES SALAAM, TANZANIA, AND NAIROBI, KENYA. THESE ATTACKS KILLED OVER 200 PEOPLE. IN ADDITION, BIN LADEN IS A SUSPECT IN OTHER TERRORIST ATTACKS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm

Then the fires that caused the buildings to collapse into dust, with plenty of videos floating about with squibs going off before the collapse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRZ0ZUQU-3U

Other Fires in Steel-Structure Buildings
WTC1, WTC2 and WTC7 are the only steel-structure buildings ever to have collapsed (allegedly) as a result of fire. There are several cases of fires in other such buildings, none of which collapsed.

It is not well-known that WTC1 itself survived a serious fire in 1975. It started on the 11th floor and spread to six other floors, burning for three hours.
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/other_fires/other_fires.htm

BBC and CNN reading from the same script???
It has now been discovered that BBC 24 also reported the Building 7 collapse before it fell. Furthermore, CNN’s Aaron Brown reported that Building 7 "has collapsed or is collapsing" over an hour before it fell.
http://jonesreport.com/articles/270207_bbc_lost_response.html

Port Authority of NY/NJ: Records For Reported WTC Renovation Work Destroyed On 9/11
http://911blogger.com/node/19889

Then we have all the strange stock market activity before 911, somebody seemingly had foreknowledge.
http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/stockputs.html

The 9/11 Report

The 9/11 Commission Report: An Elaborate Fiction

http://911research.wtc7.net/post911/commission/report.html



The 9/11 Commission Rejects own Report as Based on Government Lies

http://spktruth2power.wordpress.com/2010/01/25/the-911-commission-rejects-own-report-as-based-on-government-lies/

Former US Senator Mike Gravel (D-AK) and Richard Gage, AIA, Founder of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Discuss Scientific Findings
National Press Club, Washington DC, 2:00 pm, Thursday, September 9, 2010
WASHINGTON, Sept. 7 -- On Thursday September 9, 2010, Gravel and Gage will host a central press conference at the National Press Club in Washington, DC, presenting hard evidence that all three WTC skyscrapers on September 11, 2001, in NYC were destroyed by explosive controlled demolition.
Senator Gravel notes, "Critically important evidence has come forward after the original government building reports were completed."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=20980

Binladen has never taken responsibility for the attacks.
https://secure.wikileaks.org/wiki/CIA_FBIS:_Usama_bin_Laden_Statements_1994-2004

meglome

even at a cursory glance i can see most of the stuff in your post has been long ago debunked. If you want to make a couple of points I'll happily respond but there's just too much bull to be bothered right now.

gizmo

uprising2 wrote: »

Ahmadinejad is right, most people do believe the US was behind 9/11, I'm one of them.

No, he's wrong. Most people do not believe it. Some people do.

Poll: 70% believe Saddam, 9-11 link
They'd be wrong too.

There also been numerous other opinion polls taken in various countries on this issue and most people believe Al Qaeda were being the attack. Those who believe the US carried out the attacks are in the minority.

uprising2

meglome wrote: »

even at a cursory glance i can see most of the stuff in your post has been long ago debunked. If you want to make a couple of points I'll happily respond but there's just too much bull to be bothered right now.

Maybe do one a point a day, start at the top and work your way down, so tell me why the first hijacking, the first hit into WTC wasn't intercepted, why it was known hijacked and nothing done?, I didn't know that was debunked long ago, link please at least.

Don't just say its not so without any explanation, I don't see anything that has been debunked.

uprising2

gizmo wrote: »

No, he's wrong. Most people do not believe it. Some people do.

Poll: 70% believe Saddam, 9-11 link
They'd be wrong too.

There also been numerous other opinion polls taken in various countries on this issue and most people believe Al Qaeda were being the attack. Those who believe the US carried out the attacks are in the minority.

70% of thick ignorant flag waving idiots doesnt make up 70% of the world, them idiots also don't know where their great country is on a map of the world FFS, my brothers mother in law is an american, she was going to get the train from boston to dublin because she's afraid to fly.

Then people are wondering are people being dumbed down, I'd say so because I don't believe a human can be so thick naturally.

DHYNZY

And so.. slowly.. Iran becomes the dangerous 'other' to the masses.

King Mob

uprising2 wrote: »

70% of thick ignorant flag waving idiots doesnt make up 70% of the world, them idiots also don't know where their great country is on a map of the world FFS, my brothers mother in law is an american, she was going to get the train from boston to dublin because she's afraid to fly.

Then people are wondering are people being dumbed down, I'd say so because I don't believe a human can be so thick naturally.

So every one who doesn't buy your **** must be a "thick ignorant flag waving idiot"?
Just like all conspiracy theorists are crazy Jew-hating psychotics right?

uprising2

King Mob wrote: »

So every one who doesn't buy your **** must be a "thick ignorant flag waving idiot"?
Just like all conspiracy theorists are crazy Jew-hating psychotics right?

No just the 70% who think saddam hussein former US sponsored dictator of iraq was behind 9/11 are "thick ignorant flag waving idiots", the rest are just decent normal people who have had the wool pulled over their eyes, members of my own family included.
The reason I called these people idiots is because they were the supporters of the iraq invasion, and couldn't be fukking bothered to find out some fairly easy to find information that saddam had fukk all to do with 911, yet called on their mighty military to slaughter thousands of innocent human beings because thats what's fukking being a patriot is all about, being a dummy, yes men, paid from the neck down.
Read it properly next time.

King Mob

uprising2 wrote: »

The reason I called these people idiots is because they were the supporters of the iraq invasion,

Read it properly next time.

Funny cause that's not what the poll actually said.
But it's so much easier to lump people into generalisations right?

gizmo

As you can see, I gave the links to the other opinion polls from different countries too. Note that in none of those countries did the majority of people think the US were behind the attacks.

numbnutz

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

Do you think it would be a good thing if Iran got nuclear weapons?

Any country with nuclear weapons is a bad idea for a start.Its not for America or Britain or Israel to decide.It just seems to me that America Britain and Israel who have nuclear weapons seem to be the most active from a military perspective at the moment.No?

uprising2

King Mob wrote: »

Funny cause that's not what the poll actually said.
But it's so much easier to lump people into generalisations right?

Whether it's funny or not I don't know because I didn't waste my time to view either poll, poll me hole, poll's are as useful as an ashtray on a honda 50.

The same idiots who thought saddam was part of the 9/11 attack were also the fools calling for the invasion, the freeing of the people, the roses from the natives, I was specifically talking about the 70% that I mentioned, and yes I did lump them all together, would you like me to divide it into smaller catagories for you?

numbnutz

DHYNZY wrote: »

And so.. slowly.. Iran becomes the dangerous 'other' to the masses.

Agree totally with you on that one...through the media outlets no less.Even more poisonous is that Hillary Clinton is Americas political rep overseas and God only knows what shes pedalling at the moment to get everyone onside to the American/British point of view that when nuclear weapons are available to Iran they will use them.How come America who is the only country to drop two n-bombs in anger got the moral high ground re nuclear weapons?Do Iran have some kind of previous;)

caseyann

Duiske wrote: »

The US delegation left the UN meeting after Ahmadinejad suggested that most people believe the 9/11 attacks were the work of people inside the US administration.


http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE68M55W20100923

I don't believe myself that the US planned and carried out the attacks, but i do feel that certain people within the intelligence services knew an attack was imminent and for whatever reason did very little to stop it.

Perhaps they knew it was going to happen but didnt have the wheres hows and whos and whens?
I think he should be banned from ever sitting in any meeting again as he obviously is a complete barking mad lunatic.

King Mob

uprising2 wrote: »

Whether it's funny or not I don't know because I didn't waste my time to view either poll, poll me hole, poll's are as useful as an ashtray on a honda 50.

And now it's funny that you suddenly think that poles are useless.

uprising2 wrote: »

The same idiots who thought saddam was part of the 9/11 attack were also the fools calling for the invasion, the freeing of the people, the roses from the natives, I was specifically talking about the 70% that I mentioned, and yes I did lump them all together, would you like me to divide it into smaller catagories for you?

So then you've no issue with, say, me lumping all CTers into the racist pile? Or is it only okay for you to generalise people who disagree with you.

uprising2

King Mob wrote: »

And now it's funny that you suddenly think that poles are useless.

So then you've no issue with, say, me lumping all CTers into the racist pile? Or is it only okay for you to generalise people who disagree with you.

gizmo gave a link to 70% I quoted that not them, I dont know what % think saddam was involved. And yea poll's are useless, carry out a poll outside brown thomas and another outside connolly station and you will get two totally different results, they are typically biased one way or another depending on whose doing them, I've always thought they were useless.

Myself I'm not racist, actually don't think I've ever encountered racism here from a conspiracy theorist, zionism has nothing to do with race if thats what your hinting at.
So if you did lump all CTist's as racists I wouldn't really care, but you'd look stupid.

King Mob

uprising2 wrote: »

gizmo gave a link to 70% I quoted that not them, I dont know what % think saddam was involved. And yea poll's are useless, carry out a poll outside brown thomas and another outside connolly station and you will get two totally different results, they are typically biased one way or another depending on whose doing them, I've always thought they were useless.

You're right. I can't believe statisticians never though of that....

uprising2 wrote: »

Myself I'm not racist, actually don't think I've ever encountered racism here from a conspiracy theorist, zionism has nothing to do with race if thats what your hinting at.
So if you did lump all CTist's as racists I wouldn't really care, but you'd look stupid.

People do tend to look stupid when they make sweeping generalisation based totally on their own biases....

kenny1977

did u hear abt truthers911

old_aussie

I bet when A-Mad-Dinner-Jackets nuclear reactor blows up he will also blame the US.

pablo_escobar

old_aussie wrote:

I bet when A-Mad-Dinner-Jackets nuclear reactor blows up he will also blame the US.

Old reactor designs were susceptible to explosions but that's almost impossible with todays designs.

old_aussie

pablo_escobar wrote: »

Old reactor designs were susceptible to explosions but that's almost impossible with todays designs.

Not with this in place

TEHRAN, (AP) — Iran's nuclear agency is trying to combat a complex computer worm that has affected industrial sites throughout the country and is capable of taking over power plants, Iranian media reports said.


http://www.latimes.com/technology/sns-ap-ml-iran-cyber-attacks,0,5536479.story

Also see this thread

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=68196654#post68196654

Joshua Jones

old_aussie wrote: »

I bet when A-Mad-Dinner-Jackets nuclear reactor blows up he will also blame the US.

I learned only yesterday that nuclear reactors dont blow up, they melt down.

old_aussie

Joshua Jones wrote: »

I learned only yesterday that nuclear reactors dont blow up, they melt down.

A meltdown is what the core does prior to exploding.

Then why did Chernobyl explode?

http://www.ctv.ca/generic/WebSpecials/chernobyl/photo_gallery/main_frameset.html

if something is nuclear, and something, anything happens to it, it's Going Critical and gonna blow up like an atomic bomb. It doesn't matter if it's designed not to do that, it doesn't matter if it's not radioactive enough to be used for an atomic bomb, it doesn't matter if it hasn't got enough material for critical mass, it's gonna blow.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouFailNuclearPhysicsForever

Duiske

old_aussie wrote: »

if something is nuclear, and something, anything happens to it, it's Going Critical and gonna blow up like an atomic bomb. It doesn't matter if it's designed not to do that, it doesn't matter if it's not radioactive enough to be used for an atomic bomb, it doesn't matter if it hasn't got enough material for critical mass, it's gonna blow.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouFailNuclearPhysicsForever

You do realise that what you posted above is Hollywood bulls**t, as explained in the link you posted ?? :rolleyes: The idea of the site is to explain that what you posted is exactly what would NOT happen.

Try reading the full content of the links you provide, not just the parts that suit your way of thinking.

From the above link.....

A nuclear reactor simply doesn't have the level of reactivity to cause a full-scale nuclear explosion, and modern reactors tend to have self-engaging safety features in addition to manual ones; for example, as temperature rises above a given threshold, they will automatically shut down. This is intentionally very different than the one at Chernobyl.

It also answers your first question. Then why did Chernobyl explode?

In fiction, a melting down reactor is always a Chernobyl-level catastrophe regardless of design. Most of the consequences of the Chernobyl meltdown were a direct result of the plant being built without a containment building, a structure that surrounds the reactor itself and is intended to reduce any consequences of a leakage or meltdown. These work rather well: in the second-worst reactor disaster on Three Mile Island, the containment building duly contained the steam and other bad effects of the meltdown. No pyrotechnics; in fact, the radiation released from Three Mile Island was less then the radiation coming from your computer monitor.

They also fail to notice that Chernobyl's core of uranium fuel was surrounded by * Graphite* . Yes, Chernobyl was a giant block of charcoal waiting to ignite into carbon-14 => radioactive CO 2 goodness. Every single commercial reactor in the west (and most in the east) uses water where Chernobyl's reactor used graphite as the moderator.

Jeboa Safari

numbnutz wrote: »

Any country with nuclear weapons is a bad idea for a start.Its not for America or Britain or Israel to decide.It just seems to me that America Britain and Israel who have nuclear weapons seem to be the most active from a military perspective at the moment.No?

But Iran having them would make them active also. They could invade neighbours without having to worry about the response of the rest of the world. Highly unlikely to actually use nuclear weapons, but having them makes the more or less untouchable, which I don't think is a good thing.

bonkey

uprising2 wrote: »

Ahmadinejad is right, most people do believe the US was behind 9/11, I'm one of them.
...
And yea poll's are useless, carry out a poll outside brown thomas and another outside connolly station and you will get two totally different results, they are typically biased one way or another depending on whose doing them, I've always thought they were useless.

I'm curious...

Given your clearly-stated belief that polls are useless, what led you to conclude that most people believe the US was behind 9/11?

Brown Bomber

amacachi wrote: »

Why would the Israelis want to prevent mass American hatred of the Islamic world?

More a case of why wouldn't the Israelis want to prevent a terrorist attack against an ally surely?

Brown Bomber

Does anyone disagree with this part?

calling on the United Nations to establish "an independent fact-finding group" to look into the events of September 11

gizmo

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Does anyone disagree with this part?

I'd be perfectly happy to endorse this if it was treated as a proper independent arbitration and, should the investigation show that the attacks were carried out in line with the "official" story, people accept them and dispense with the conspiracy theories. Sound about fair?

Yitzhak Rabin

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Does anyone disagree with this part?

I wouldn't be against it, but I'd still need to be convinced that it was needed. People would have to outline what they think are the major flaws with the 9/11 commission report.

Brown Bomber

yekahs wrote: »

I wouldn't be against it, but I'd still need to be convinced that it was needed. People would have to outline what they think are the major flaws with the 9/11 commission report.

Surely the possibility that the criminals may be investigating themselves is reason enough alone.

If you look at the IDF (the criminals) report vs the just published UN report edit: on the flotilla massacre they paint a completely contradictory account to the same event.

Yitzhak Rabin

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Surely the possibility that the criminals may be investigating themselves is reason enough alone.

If you look at the IDF (the criminals) report vs the just published UN report edit: on the flotilla massacre they paint a completely contradictory account to the same event.

Well again, I would need to see some evidence that there is a high possibility that members of the US Govt. were involved.

But if there was US Govt involvement, which as of yet, has not been established. How would the UN discover it? Surely any evidence would be highly classified files, which they wouldn't have access to.

bonkey

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Surely the possibility that the criminals may be investigating themselves is reason enough alone.

The NIST reports were not prepared by the US government. Leaving aside that NIST isn't the US government, a large number of independant companies were involved in the work on those reports. If they're in question, then its not because the criminals may have been investigating themselves.

If we leave that aside, and assume (just for a moment) that the buildings fell for the reasons NIST said they did, there is still the possibility that the US either had a hand in organising the hijacking and crashing of the planes, or knew about it and chose to do nothing.

It is refreshing, however, to see the UN held up as a bastion of truth and independence, and not just another tool of the main nations which run/control it.

The cynic in me, however, suspects that the UN is acceptable for use as an "independant" investigator precisely because whoever put forward the idea knows there isn't a chance of it ever happening.

Brown Bomber

yekahs wrote: »

Well again, I would need to see some evidence that there is a high possibility that members of the US Govt. were involved.

I've seen lots of evidence to suggest that elements within the Bush administration and beyond may have been involved.

I don't see why there should have to be a high possibilty that any suspect or collaboration of suspects should need to be established before a thorough investigation.

yekahs wrote: »

But if there was US Govt involvement, which as of yet, has not been established. How would the UN discover it? Surely any evidence would be highly classified files, which they wouldn't have access to.

Surely it is in the US's best interest to put an end to the idea (held by many US citizens) that the serving government conspired to kill their own citizens in an attack blamed on patsies, which has resulted in the deaths of 100's of thousands, if not millions unconnected to the Sept 11th attacks.

If they have nothing to hide they surely could and should declassify any relevant files for any investigation, if only out of respect for the dead servicemen who have died fighting in their illegal wars of aggression and the people who lost their lives in the attacks.

Yitzhak Rabin

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I've seen lots of evidence to suggest that elements within the Bush administration and beyond may have been involved.

I'm not going to demand you prove this, but if you can think off the top of your head, what would the 5 best pieces of evidence that suggest this?

I don't see why there should have to be a high possibilty that any suspect or collaboration of suspects should need to be established before a thorough investigation.

I do, otherwise, we would waste time investigating every and any claim people make. I could assert that Jack Charlton was actually the one who shot JFK, but I wouldn't expect people to invstigate that claim until such a time as I showed some evidence that it could actually be true.

Surely it is in the US's best interest to put an end to the idea (held by many US citizens) that the serving government conspired to kill their own citizens in an attack blamed on patsies, which has resulted in the deaths of 100's of thousands, if not millions unconnected to the Sept 11th attacks.

If they have nothing to hide they surely could and should declassify any relevant files for any investigation, if only out of respect for the dead servicemen who have died fighting in their illegal wars of aggression and the people who lost their lives in the attacks.

Aye, transparency would be a great thing, but I can't see it happening anytime soon.

joebucks

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Does anyone disagree with this part?

Well if you are to believe that 911 was part of a greater global conspiracy to create a one world government with the U.N in charge, then they would be the last people you would want investigating the tragedy if you are looking for an unbiased report.

uprising2

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

But Iran having them would make them active also. They could invade neighbours without having to worry about the response of the rest of the world. Highly unlikely to actually use nuclear weapons, but having them makes the more or less untouchable, which I don't think is a good thing.

Why would Iran invade any country?, they don't have a history of invading anybody.
No country should have any nuclear weapons, but the US,UK or Israel are hardly the moral authority to say who should and shouldn't have them.
Your view of Iran is distorted by the rubbish you listen to from western lying media.

uprising2

bonkey wrote: »

I'm curious...

Given your clearly-stated belief that polls are useless, what led you to conclude that most people believe the US was behind 9/11?

I did a poll and most people thought bin laden did it, so I simply reversed it.

gizmo

uprising2 wrote: »

Why would Iran invade any country?, they don't have a history of invading anybody.
No country should have any nuclear weapons, but the US,UK or Israel are hardly the moral authority to say who should and shouldn't have them.
Your view of Iran is distorted by the rubbish you listen to from western lying media.

Actually thanks to the internet and especially social networking tools such as Twitter and blogs, we saw first hand what the Iranian government was capable of during the 2009/2010 elections. Hell even listening to Ahmadinejad's own words is enough to see what kind of leader he is.

uprising2

yekahs wrote: »

I wouldn't be against it, but I'd still need to be convinced that it was needed. People would have to outline what they think are the major flaws with the 9/11 commission report.

Plenty of people question the official cover up including people in a far better position than the ordinary joe soap.
Here's a few, and I don't think they can be called nut's.
You can fool some people some time's, but you can't fool all the people all of the time.
I can't think of any motive the people below would have apart from genuine concern that it was a farce, which it was.

9/11 Commission Report Questioned by
Senior Military, Intelligence, and Government Officials.

Senator Max Cleland – Former member of the 9/11 Commission

Louis Freeh – Director of FBI, 1993-2001

General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army (ret) – Commanding General of Army Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM), 1981 - 1984

Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret)

Raymond L. McGovern – Former Chairman, National Intelligence Estimates, CIA

Francesco Cossiga – President of Italy, 1985-1992

Col. George Nelson, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former U.S. Air Force aircraft accident investigator and airplane parts authority. 34-year Air Force career.

Col. Ronald D. Ray, U.S. Marine Corps (ret) – Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense during Reagan Administration.

Rep. Curt Weldon – Ten-term Republican Congressman from Pennsylvania. House Armed Services Committee Vice Chairman.

Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Military Intelligence Officer, Defense Intelligence Agency. Member of Able Danger effort to target Al Qaeda’s global structure.

Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former Political-Military Affairs Officer in the Office of the Secretary of Defense.

Paul Craig Roberts, PhD – Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury under Ronald Reagan.

Morgan Reynolds, PhD – Chief Economist, Department of Labor under George W. Bush 2001-2002.

Catherine Austin Fitts – Assistant Secretary of Housing under George H.W. Bush.

Major Scott Ritter, U.S. Marine Corps – Former Marine Corps Intelligence Officer and Chief Weapons Inspector for the United Nations Special Commission in Iraq 1991-1998.

Paul Hellyer – Former Minister of National Defense of Canada.

Andreas von Buelow, PhD – Former State Secretary of the Federal Ministry of Defense of West Germany.

Michael Meacher – Former Under Secretary for Industry, Under Secretary for Health and Social Security, Minister of Environment, and Member of the House of Commons (UK).

General Leonid Ivashov – Joint Chief of Staff of Russian Armies on 9/11/2001.

Mohamed Hassanein Heikal – Former Foreign Minister of Egypt.

William Christison – Former National Intelligence Officer and Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis. 29-year CIA veteran.

Melvin A. Goodman – Senior Analyst, Bureau of Intelligence and Research, State Department, 1974-1976. Former Division Chief and Senior Analyst, Office of Soviet Affairs, CIA,1976 - 1986.

Robert Baer – Former CIA Case Officer, Specialist in Middle East, Directorate of Operations.

Edward L. Peck – Deputy Director of the White House Task Force on Terrorism under Ronald Reagan.

Morton Goulder – Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Warning under Presidents Nixon, Ford, and Carter (1973-77).

Fred Burks – Former State Department Interpreter for Presidents George W. Bush and Bill Clinton, Vice Presidents Dick Cheney and Al Gore, Secretaries of State Colin Powell and Madeleine Albright. 18-year State Department career.

Major Douglas Rokke, PhD, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Director U.S. Army Depleted Uranium Project.

Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force – Former Air Force fighter pilot, over 100 combat missions. Commercial pilot for Pan Am and United Airlines for 35 years. Had previously flown the actual two United airplanes that were hijacked on 9/11.

Barbara Honegger – Senior Military Affairs Journalist at the Naval Postgraduate School (1995 - present). White House Policy Analyst and Special Assistant to the Assistant to President Ronald Reagan (1981-83).

Capt. Gregory M. Zeigler, PhD, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer.

Sibel D. Edmonds – Former Language Translation Specialist, FBI. Performed translations for counterterrorism, counterintelligence operations. 9/11 Commission Witness.

Bogdan Dzakovic – 14-year Counterterrorism expert, Security Division of Federal Aviation Administration (FAA). Team Leader of FAA's Red (Terrorism) Team. Former Team Leader in Federal Air Marshal program. Former Coast Guard officer. Witness for 9/11 Commission.

John M. Cole – Former Intelligence Operations Specialist, Counterintelligence Division, FBI. In charge of FBI’s foreign intelligence investigations covering India, Pakistan and Afghanistan.18-year FBI career.

David "Mark" Conrad – Retired Agent in Charge, U.S. Customs. Responsible for internal integrity and security for areas encompassing nine states and two foreign locations. Former Federal Sky Marshall. 27-years in U.S. Customs. Currently Professor of Criminal Justice at Troy University.

Edward J. Costello, Jr. – Former Special Agent, Counterterrorism, FBI. Former Judge, Los Angeles, CA.

Rosemary N. Dew – Former Supervisory Special Agent, Counterterrorism and Counterintelligence, FBI. Former member President's National Security Telecommunications Advisory Committee (NSTAC) and the Electronic Commerce/Cyber Crime Working Group. 13-year FBI career.

Bogdan Dzakovic – 14-year Counter-terrorism expert, Security Division of Federal Aviation Administration. Witness before the 9/11 Commission. (For more, click here)

Sibel D. Edmonds – Former Language Translation Specialist, performing translations for counterterrorism and
counterintelligence operations, FBI. Witness before the 9/11 Commission. (For more, click here)

Steve Elson – Former Special Agent with the U.S. Navy and the FAA. Specialist in Counterterrorism, Intelligence, and Security. Twenty-two years military experience, primarily in Naval Special Warfare and nine years Federal service with the FAA and DEA. Retired Navy Seal.

David Forbes – Aviation, Logistics and Govt. Security Analysts, BoydForbes, Inc.

Melvin A. Goodman – Senior Analyst at the Bureau of Intelligence and Research, State Department, 1974-1976. Professor of International Security at the National War College 1986-2004. (For more, click here)

Mark Graf – Former Security Supervisor, Planner, and Derivative Classifier, Department of Energy. Former Chairman of the Rocky Flats (DOE) Physical Security Systems Working Group from 1990 through 1995.

Gilbert M. Graham – Retired Special Agent, Counterintelligence, FBI. 24-year FBI career.

Diane Kleiman – Former Special Agent, US Customs. Exposes major cover-ups on her website: http://www.customscoverup.com

Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former Political-Military Affairs Officer in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Staff Member, Office of Director of the National Security Agency. 20-year Air Force veteran. (For more, click here)

Lynne A. Larkin – Former CIA Operations Officer. Served in several CIA foreign stations and in the CIA's counter-intelligence center helping chair a multi-agency task force and seminars on coordinating intelligence among intelligence and crime prevention agencies.

David MacMichael – Former Senior Estimates Officer with special responsibility for Western Hemisphere Affairs at the CIA's National Intelligence Council. Former Captain, U.S. Marine Corps. 10-year military service.

Raymond L. McGovern – Former Chairman, National Intelligence Estimates, CIA, responsible for preparing the President’ Daily Brief (PDB) for Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush. 27-year CIA veteran. Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer. (For more, click here)

Theodore J. Pahle – Former Senior Intelligence Officer, Defense Intelligence Agency. 37-year intelligence career. HUMINT [Human Intelligence] operations officer with DIA, Office of Naval Intelligence and U.S. Army Intelligence. Middle East and Latin American operations specialist.

Behrooz Sarshar – Retired Language Translation Specialist, performing Farsi translations for counterterrorism and counterintelligence operations dealing with Iran and Afghanistan, FBI.

Brian F. Sullivan – Retired Special Agent, Risk Management Specialist, FAA. Retired Lieutenant Colonel, Military Police.

Commander Larry J. Tortorich, U.S. Navy (ret) – Former Deputy Program Manager for Logistics – Tomahawk Cruise Missiles. 24-year Navy career in the fields of aviation and counterterrorism. Two years as a federal employee with DHS/TSA in the fields of security and counterterrorism.

Jane A. Turner – Retired Special Agent, 24-years in FBI.

John B. Vincent – Retired Special Agent, Counterterrorism, FBI. 27-year FBI career.

Dr. Fred Whitehurst – Retired Supervisory Special Agent / Laboratory Forensic Examiner, FBI. Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer.

Col. Ann Wright, U.S. Army (ret) – Retired Army officer and Former U.S. Diplomat. 29 years in U.S. Army, U.S. Army Reserves. Member of International law team in Operation Urgent Fury in Grenada. Served in Panama and Somalia. Joined Foreign Service in 1987. Deputy Chief of Mission, U.S. Embassies in Sierra Leone, Micronesia and Afghanistan. Helped reopen US Embassy in Kabul in December, 2001.

Matthew J. Zipoli – Special Response Team (SRT) Officer, DOE. Vice President, Security Police Officer's Association, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory.

http://www.wanttoknow.info/officialsquestion911commissionreport

Yitzhak Rabin

Thats an impressive list alright.

Is there anywhere where I can see a list of criticisms of the NIST report or the 9/11 commission report. Because its hard to read through each of their problems with it(in the cases where they actually state why they have a problem with it)

But as unqualified as I am, I think a lot of their criticism are unfounded.

Take for instance General Albert Stubblebine:

His problem is "I look at the hole in the Pentagon and I look at the size of an airplane that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon. And I said, ‘The plane does not fit in that hole’. So what did hit the Pentagon? What hit it? Where is it? What's going on?

To me that claim has been long debunked

Or Col. George Nelson, U.S. Air Force (ret):

"With all the evidence readily available at the Pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing 757 did not fly into the Pentagon. Similarly, with all the evidence available at the Pennsylvania crash site, it was most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious hole in the ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as alleged."

Again to me, this is a nonsense. How does he think a 757 didn't hit the pentagon, given the amount of witnesses who bloody well saw it.

So, I haven't got to go down through the whole list. So thats why I think a list of criticisms of the report would be better than an appeal to authority.

meglome

uprising2 wrote: »

Plenty of people question the official cover up including people in a far better position than the ordinary joe soap.
Here's a few, and I don't think they can be called nut's.
You can fool some people some time's, but you can't fool all the people all of the time.
I can't think of any motive the people below would have apart from genuine concern that it was a farce, which it was.

But what exactly is wrong with it?

I have to agree with Yekas on this.

Jeboa Safari

uprising2 wrote: »

Why would Iran invade any country?, they don't have a history of invading anybody.
No country should have any nuclear weapons, but the US,UK or Israel are hardly the moral authority to say who should and shouldn't have them.
Your view of Iran is distorted by the rubbish you listen to from western lying media.

Well they recently claimed that Bahrain should be returned as a province of Iran. They also currently occupy a couple of islands belonging to the UAE. They supply Hezbollah, and are reported to have many sleeper cells in various countries. If they got nuclear weapons and strengthened their army, I think they would use it to throw their weight around, particularly in the gulf region.

I think the fact that the superpowers have nuclear weapons has probably helped stop ww3 from happening.

I read stories from various sources, your view is distorted by your anti-Americanism

studiorat

uprising2 wrote: »

Plenty of people question the official cover up including people in a far better position than the ordinary joe soap.
Here's a few, and I don't think they can be called nut's.

Out of context. They are speaking about covering up the negligence of the security forces. Not that it was an inside job. :rolleyes:

uprising2

Senator Max Cleland
Article 11/21/03: Regarding the 9/11 Commission: "It is a national scandal."
Resigned from the 9/11 Commission, 12/03

Transcript of audio interview 3/23/04: "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9/11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up."

Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force
"A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story ... of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It’s impossible. … There’s a second group of facts having to do with the cover up. Taken together these things prove that high levels of our government don’t want us to know what happened.

William Christison – Former National Intelligence Officer and Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis. 29-year CIA veteran.
"David Griffin believes this all was totally an inside job - I've got to say I think that it was too. I have since decided that....at least some elements in this US government had contributed in some way or other to causing 9/11 to happen… The reason that the two towers in New York actually collapsed and fell all the way to the ground was controlled explosions rather than just being hit by two airplanes. All of the characteristics of these demolitions show that they almost had to have been controlled explosions."
Raymond L. McGovern – Former Chairman, National Intelligence Estimates, CIA.
"I think at simplest terms, there’s a cover-up. The 9/11 report is a joke. The question is: What’s being covered up? Is it gross malfeasance, gross negligence?

Col. George Nelson, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former U.S. Air Force aircraft accident investigator and airplane parts authority. 34-year Air Force career.

"The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden.

Rep. Curt Weldon – Ten-term Republican Congressman from Pennsylvania. House Armed Services Committee Vice Chairman. Homeland Security Committee Vice Chairman.
"'There's something very sinister going on here that really troubles me,' Weldon told Fox News on Thursday, blasting the 9/11 commission for not taking the claims more seriously. He said some panel members were trying to smear Shaffer and Able Danger. 'What's the 9/11 commission got to hide?'"

Morgan Reynolds, PhD – Chief Economist, Department of Labor under George W. Bush 2001-2002.
"I first began to suspect that 9/11 was in inside job when the Bush-Cheney Administration invaded Iraq. … We can prove that the government’s story is false."

Paul Hellyer – Former Minister of National Defense of Canada.
"I think the inquiry has been very shallow, very superficial. I would like to see a much tougher, more in-depth inquiry. I would like to see someone in a position of authority ask those questions and insist on getting answers. We have to try and get the truth. I hope that somebody has the courage and persistence to keep at it until we get it."

Melvin A. Goodman – Senior Analyst, Bureau of Intelligence and Research, State Department, 1974-1976. Former Division Chief and Senior Analyst, Office of Soviet Affairs, CIA,1976 - 1986. Professor of International Security, National War College 1986-2004.
"I want to talk about the [9/11] Commission itself, about the flawed process of the Commission and finally about the conflict of interest within the Commission that is extremely important to understand the failure of the Commission."

Fred Burks – Former State Department Interpreter for Presidents George W. Bush and Bill Clinton
"How is it possible that our military's highly touted missile detections systems could not locate Flight 77 in the 42 minutes it was known to be lost before it crashed into the heart of the defense system of the U.S.?

An even bigger question is why isn't our media asking these questions?

Major Douglas Rokke, PhD, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Director U.S. Army Depleted Uranium Project.
Regarding the impact at the Pentagon on 9/11/2001: "When you look at the whole thing, especially the crash site void of airplane parts, the size of the hole left in the building and the fact the projectile's impact penetrated numerous concrete walls, it looks like the work of a missile. And when you look at the damage, it was obviously a missile."

meglome

uprising2 wrote: »

Major Douglas Rokke, PhD, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Director U.S. Army Depleted Uranium Project.
Regarding the impact at the Pentagon on 9/11/2001: "When you look at the whole thing, especially the crash site void of airplane parts, the size of the hole left in the building and the fact the projectile's impact penetrated numerous concrete walls, it looks like the work of a missile. And when you look at the damage, it was obviously a missile."

I'll just take the last one for now... there isn't numerous concrete walls. The ground floor is open plan so anything that penetrates the front wall has only some partitions to break though to reach the back wall. And there are plenty of pictures of plane parts. So he's simply wrong. Of course we still have to ignore all the people who saw the plane to even get to a missile being used.

yekahs wrote: »

So, I haven't got to go down through the whole list. So thats why I think a list of criticisms of the report would be better than an appeal to authority.

and of course you ignored what yekas asked.

Brown Bomber

It did pass through multiple walls and exited at the C-ring.

Here is the exit hole: Notice no evidence at all of a plane hitting.




Now compare it to the impact of Raytheon bunker buster
http://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/stellent/groups/public/documents/content/cms04_011980.pdf

I can't see a difference between the two.

uprising2

meglome wrote: »

I'll just take the last one for now... there isn't numerous concrete walls. The ground floor is open plan so anything that penetrates the front wall has only some partitions to break though to reach the back wall. And there are plenty of pictures of plane parts. So he's simply wrong. Of course we still have to ignore all the people who saw the plane to even get to a missile being used.



and of course you ignored what yekas asked.

Ohh Lord, have a look at this, forget 911 myths for a minute.

Each floor's layout has five pentagonal concentric rings which are connected by ten spoke-like corridors.


Open plan???, the hole made it through 3 rings, there are 5 and the hole in the pic is in the 3rd ring and on ground level.
Can you post a link to the open plan layout, seems a bit silly that a building that houses the worlds no 1 military machine would build a fortress over an easily weakened open plan first floor.

Pentagon 2:D

Divorce Referendum

Brown Bomber wrote: »

It did pass through multiple walls and exited at the C-ring.

Here is the exit hole: Notice no evidence at all of a plane hitting.


Now compare it to the impact of Raytheon bunker buster
http://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/stellent/groups/public/documents/content/cms04_011980.pdf

I can't see a difference between the two.

Thats the exit hole though. The link you posted shows entry holes. A 6" dia. rocket would be doing well to create damage this size and shape.

meglome

Brown Bomber wrote: »

It did pass through multiple walls and exited at the C-ring.

Here is the exit hole: Notice no evidence at all of a plane hitting.

Lads if you like i can go get the plans for the pentagon and show that the ground floor is open plan but it's been posted in here numerous times. The blocks start on the first floor, the ground floor has a front concrete wall and back brick wall (the one in the picture), all the stuff in-between is light partitions.
The very easy way to see this even without the plans is look at the centre of the 3 rings in the picture. There are 3 rows of windows in that ring. Now look at the ring with the hole smashed into it, there are 4 rows of windows plus the space where the hole in the wall is.