Liverpool Vs. Sunderland Setanta Sports 1 3.00pm 25/09/10

D'Agger

stumpypeeps wrote: »

Kuyt saw so much of the ball, he created one half chance for Torres. He was useless. Absolutely useless.

The guys just back from injury - he can be cut some slack the same way Torres has since the start of the season.

I thought Joe Cole was our worst performer barring the last 5mins or so, he offered nothing in the final third.

I thought Skrtel had a solid game, everyone else was meh but I really don't think Kuyt should be getting a doing for todays performance - I've been his biggest critic in the past but I think today he wasn't the worst

missingtime

rossie1977 wrote: »

didn't chelsea bring on sturridge today to try and get something from the game

And some guy who looked like he was 15.

Esse85

PaulieC wrote: »

Super resposnse, I'm quite literally...blown away.

Give an actual argument as to why you think Kuyt was shocking there, for the craic

As a player, Kuyt is useless, that is all. Defend the donkey all you like, he sums up the overall strength/weakness of the team hence why Liverpool will place mid table.

event

Xavi6 wrote: »

Why didn't Skrtel have to go off after receiving treatment?

Atwell is nothing but incompetent.

afaik, you dont have to go off if its a head injury

missingtime

flahavaj wrote: »

In fairness N'Gog is a decent striker and probably deserves criticism less than any other Liverpool player this season.

****ing a. I find it hard to believe that people are on his back considering the dross around the park.

Said it before and I'll say it again; best player at the club at the moment.

whatawaster

Great protest by the looks of things.

I'm even less happy with Roy than I was on Wednesday

The Muppet

flahavaj wrote: »

In fairness N'Gog is a decent striker and probably deserves criticism less than any other Liverpool player this season.

I didn't criticise Ngog. I am critical of the lack of quality in the squad that so much pressure/expectation is placed on him.

niallo27

Esse85 wrote: »

As a player, Kuyt is useless, that is all. Defend the donkey all you like, he sums up the overall strength/weakness of the team hence why Liverpool will place mid table.

If they are so ****e, why didnt they finish mid table the last few years

Esse85

missingtime wrote: »

****ing a. I find it hard to believe that people are on his back considering the dross around the park.

Said it before and I'll say it again; best player at the club at the moment.

And thats why the club is 15th

flahavaj

The Muppet wrote: »

I didn't criticise Ngog. I am critical of the lack of quality in the squad that so much pressure is placed on him.

True dat. No one could argue after Wednesday that there is a any great depth or quality in the Liverpool squad outside the first 11.

I wouldn't worry too much about N'Gog though, he seems to be thriving on the pressure, 7 goals in 8 games or something. He looks more than up to the task so far.

D'Agger

Esse85 wrote: »

As a player, Kuyt is useless, that is all. Defend the donkey all you like, he sums up the overall strength/weakness of the team hence why Liverpool will place mid table.

Champion effort yet again - however I was looking for specifics as to why you're describing his general play as "useless"

I'm defending him because he's an asset to the club - check his stats for the past few seasons for a striker playing out of position he's doing fairly well for us. He's not the most natural RW but far from useless

And if you're going to respond to this please put some relevent argument forward instead of yet another baseless statement

missingtime

Esse85 wrote: »

And thats why the club is 15th

I see what you did there.

The Muppet

niallo27 wrote: »

If they are so ****e, why didnt they finish mid table the last few years

Because they are a different team. Some good players have moved on to be replaced by poorer quality players.

Esse85

niallo27 wrote: »

If they are so ****e, why didnt they finish mid table the last few years

Because they had better players and a better manager

Handsome Bob

Same old story, we can't keep the ball. We can't pass the ball. The first touch of some players is abysmal.

opr

I still can't for the life of me understand why when Poulsen was on the field Gerrard played as the deep lying midfielder and Meireles played close to Torres. It was the same in the last game and I didn't understand it then. Is it that Roy's trying to accommodate Gerrard in the centre cause if that's the case its insanity! Am I missing something ?

Opr

SlickRic

of all the players, i can't believe people are talking about N'Gog and Kuyt.

N'Gog, it's true, is indicative of our lack of depth, given the fact he's been 1st choice back up for pretty much 18 months now.

we don't need to have the Kuyt argument. suffice to say, he is quality. maybe he's just like Guinness...an acquired taste.

the problem was mainly the lack of urgency fromt he start. we seemed content to sit back and see what Sunderland were at, rather than impose ourselves on things. Roy = passive; therefore i'm starting to think team = passive.

the second problem; Poulsen.

i'm sorry to say; i just really don't think he's going to be good enough. the minute he came on, and Gerrard came back, the urgency upped a level or 3.

Esse85

PaulieC wrote: »

Champion effort yet again - however I was looking for specifics as to why you're describing his general play as "useless"

I'm defending him because he's an asset to the club - check his stats for the past few seasons for a striker playing out of position he's doing fairly well for us. He's not the most natural RW but far from useless

And if you're going to respond to this please put some relevent argument forward instead of yet another baseless statement

If you fail to see why he's useless then take your blinkers off, slap some sense into yourself and get some fresh air.

Leiva

Roys interview now on SSN .. I'm
Sorry but he looks out of his dept .

As for the result , again ..

Good result if it was Fulham .

super_furry

**** off Hodgson. Inept, out of his depth and happy with a point at home to Sunderland. Jesus, even Kenny would have been a better choice.

niallo27

Esse85 wrote: »

Because they had better players and a better manager

Its more or less the same players now that were there a few years ago, only difference is the manager

Finical

"There are no easy home wins in the Premier League, you have to fight for everything. The way we came back from 2-1 down was very commendable and towards the end of the game we were creating a lot of chances. We deserved our point."

Roy, get lost.

D'Agger

PaulieC wrote: »

please put some relevent argument forward instead of yet another baseless statement

Esse85 wrote: »

If you fail to see why he's useless then take your blinkers off, slap some sense into yourself and get some fresh air.

lolz - bless you're little cotton socks, get back to me when you're willing to back up a point

rossie1977

kuyt is fine, he has over 50 goals and has had a hand in some 30 assists, has played in a world cup final, has scored in a european cup final

The Muppet

SlickRic wrote: »

of all the players, i can't believe people are talking about N'Gog and Kuyt.

we don't need to have the Kuyt argument. suffice to say, he is quality. maybe he's just like Guinness...an acquired taste.

Consistancy or lack of it is Kuyts problem. He can look very good by times but he can also look abysmal, giving the ball away and ruuniing around ball chasing like a kid in the playground.

I'd like to see him played on the left in the role he played for Holland, he looked better there IMO.

stumpypeeps

Reina - 6

Johnson - 4

Koncheskey - 5

Carragher - 5

Skrtel - 7

Cole - 6

Meireles - 5

Gerrard - 5

Poulsen - 4

Kuyt - 4

Torres - 5

Agger - 5

Ngog - 6

D'Agger

The Muppet wrote: »

I'd like to see him played on the left in the role he played for Holland, he looked better there IMO.

+1

Handsome Bob

SlickRic wrote: »

the second problem; Poulsen.

i'm sorry to say; i just really don't think he's going to be good enough. the minute he came on, and Gerrard came back, the urgency upped a level or 3.

Urgency shouldn't be dictated by one player though, I don't see why we couldn't have stepped up the tempo with Poulsen still on the pitch. It's the tactics, plain and simple. I'm really starting to doubt Roy which is unfortunate because I've given him every chance to date.

The Muppet

niallo27 wrote: »

Its more or less the same players now that were there a few years ago, only difference is the manager

Are you serious?

D'Agger

BastardPrince wrote: »

steve bruce is a lying git

What did he say now...I hate him

5ForKeeps

"There are no easy home wins in the Premier League, you have to fight
for everything. The way we came back from 2-1 down was very
commendable and towards the end of the game we were creating a lot of
chances. We deserved our point." - Roy Hodgson, LFC Manager 25th September 2010 -





**** off you are out of your depth son. Shankly would be turning in his grave at that statement. We were utter rubbish.

niallo27

The Muppet wrote: »

Are you serious?

masch is gone alonso is gone, the back 5 is the same more or less, gerrard and torres and kuyt and lucas, ya i am serious

Chardee MacDennis

PaulieC wrote: »

What did he say now...I hate him

that turner was 25 yards away from where the foul took place, it unsporting behavior from torres, and it was a disgrace of a decision.

maybe he should take some of his own advice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwaO9xd_API

The Muppet

niallo27 wrote: »

masch is gone alonso is gone, the back 5 is the same more or less, gerrard and torres and kuyt and lucas, ya i am serious

what about Hypia, Keane, Benayoun, Riera ? They would all improve your squad imo.

Cartman78

That was the worst home display i've seen in 25 years following Liverpool.

The 'big name' players (Cole, Gerrard, Torres) were utterly anonymous and showed no leadership. Johnson is a liability - everyone knows he can't defend but now he can't attack either. Even Reina looked shaky today - if I was a Sunderland fan I'd be gutted at dropping 2 points against a shambles of a team like that.

Can't see where we're going from here. Yes - the takeover/finance issue is a distraction but can't excuse crap like that on the pitch

D'Agger

I knew he'd come out and say something like that - he's got a short memory, I thought Elephant-man never forgets! :pac:

DOC09UNAM

niallo27 wrote: »

masch is gone alonso is gone, the back 5 is the same more or less, gerrard and torres and kuyt and lucas, ya i am serious

I wouldn't like to see you when you're not serious, utter Shíte is all you're talking.

Mr Alan

BastardPrince wrote: »

that turner was 25 yards away from where the foul took place, it unsporting behavior from torres, and it was a disgrace of a decision.

maybe he should take some of his own advice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwaO9xd_API

He is a joke. Used to quite like him as a manager but his bitterness levels have risen quite considerably in the last couple of years.

stumpypeeps

Cartman78 wrote: »

That was the worst home display i've seen in 25 years following Liverpool.

The 'big name' players (Cole, Gerrard, Torres) were utterly anonymous and showed no leadership. Johnson is a liability - everyone knows he can't defend but now he can't attack either. Even Reina looked shaky today - if I was a Sunderland fan I'd be gutted at dropping 2 points against a shambles of a team like that.

Can't see where we're going from here. Yes - the takeover/finance issue is a distraction but can't excuse crap like that on the pitch

Excellent post. In the words of Jack Charlton, "I couldna put it better meself"

Handsome Bob

Cartman78 wrote: »

Yes - the takeover/finance issue is a distraction but can't excuse crap like that on the pitch

100% agree with this, the buck stops with the players, simple as. For too long they've been using the off field issues as an excuse.

niallo27

The Muppet wrote: »

what about Hypia, Keane, Benayoun, Riera ? They would all improve your squad imo.

they werent first time players, our first team hasnt changed that much

Kess73

stumpypeeps wrote: »

Reina - 6

Johnson - 4

Koncheskey - 5

Carragher - 5

Skrtel - 7

Cole - 6

Meireles - 5

Gerrard - 5

Poulsen - 4

Kuyt - 4

Torres - 5

Agger - 5

Ngog - 6

I think I might be a bit kinder to Koncheskey and give him a 6 for the time he was on the pitch. He had no major cock up and was not on for long enough to look as bad as the rest of the defence did.

Cole I would knock down to a 5 tbh. He seems to have brought his regular Chelsea form to Liverpool.

The rest I would pretty much agree with, although Meireles did show some nice touches and worked hard in all of the three positions he ended up in during the course of the game.

flahavaj

niallo27 wrote: »

masch is gone alonso is gone, the back 5 is the same more or less, gerrard and torres and kuyt and lucas, ya i am serious

Benayoun, Arbeloa, Mascherano, Alonso all gone in two years. Few squads could handle losing that much quality. You could argue Johnsen is a step up on Arbeloa (not hugely IMHO), but Joe Cole has it all to prove as a replacement for Yossi, Poulsen isn't fit to clean Mascherano's boots and neither Aquilani or Meireles are like for like replacements for Alonso.

If you think the quality of Liverpool's squad isn't being eroded bit by bit in every transfer window that passes you're seriously deluded tbh.

SlickRic

5ForKeeps wrote: »

We deserved our point." - Roy Hodgson, LFC Manager 25th September 2010 -

it says everything.

The Muppet

niallo27 wrote: »

they werent first time players, our first team hasnt changed that much

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Ah right Ted.

flahavaj

Cartman78 wrote: »

That was the worst home display i've seen in 25 years following Liverpool.

The 'big name' players (Cole, Gerrard, Torres) were utterly anonymous and showed no leadership. Johnson is a liability - everyone knows he can't defend but now he can't attack either. Even Reina looked shaky today - if I was a Sunderland fan I'd be gutted at dropping 2 points against a shambles of a team like that.

Can't see where we're going from here. Yes - the takeover/finance issue is a distraction but can't excuse crap like that on the pitch

Gerrard was savage after the goal in all fairness (and i'm no fan of his) and Torres made both goals.

niallo27

flahavaj wrote: »

Benayoun, Arbeloa, Mascherano, Alonso all gone in two years. Few squads could handle losing that much quality. You could argue Johnsen is a step up on Arbeloa (not hugely IMHO), but Joe Cole has it all to prove as a replacement for Yossi, Poulsen isn't fit to clean Mascherano's boots and neither Aquilani or Meireles are like for like replacements for Alonso.

If you think the quality of Liverpool's squad isn't being eroded bit by bit in every transfer window that passes you're seriously deluded tbh.

Im not saying the squad hasnt gotten worse, ****en hell, i have being the hardest on board on transfers out of anyone here, we have lost a few players, i know that, but not enough to justify going from 2nd to whereever we will finish up

The Muppet

SlickRic wrote: »

it says everything.

it's only a white lie, i doubt he believes that himself. had he anything to say about your first goal.;)

niallo27

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

I wouldn't like to see you when you're not serious, utter Shíte is all you're talking.

Honestly your freaking me out a bit, thats 62 posts from me now you have quoted in the last 2 weeks, i need a bit of space

The Muppet

niallo27 wrote: »

Im not saying the squad hasnt gotten worse, ****en hell, i have being the hardest on board on transfers out of anyone here, we have lost a few players, i know that, but not enough to justify going from 2nd to whereever we will finish up

Have you forgotton you finished 7th last season?