Dirty diesel?

5live

I was wondering if anybody has had diesel problems lately. I went to my mechanic today to pay for repairs to the fuel injector pump(E800. Must be made of solid gold) and 2 more guys in with the same problems. I dont think it is the new regulations on bio diesel( but what the hell i will blame gormley anyway:)) as the diesel was bought last year but there seems to be a lot of problems with diesel this year

reilig

5live wrote: »

I was wondering if anybody has had diesel problems lately. I went to my mechanic today to pay for repairs to the fuel injector pump(E800. Must be made of solid gold) and 2 more guys in with the same problems. I dont think it is the new regulations on bio diesel( but what the hell i will blame gormley anyway:)) as the diesel was bought last year but there seems to be a lot of problems with diesel this year

yea, I had a problem with dirty diesel in the jeep earlier this year. I was running low on route to a mart and was forced to fill up in a "less recognised brand filling station". A few days after that when the tank went low, the jeep started to splutter and lost all power. Mechanic took out the filter and reconed that I had got a dirty fill and told me that he had several customers with similare problems that had filled up in the same place as me.

Aquired a mf35 earlier this year and it airlocked on me with dirty diesel too. The previous owner always drove it to a local filling atation to fill it up. Abviously what he was buying was dirty as he had changed the filter only 6 months before I got the tractor. When I took out the filter following the air lock, there was a black gunk all over it - like used engine oil.

Only solution is to have your own diesel tank for agricultural machinery and invest in a very good filter for it.

5live

I did just that. It just surprised me that it was so common this year. My silage contractor told me you must not fill car diesel for 15 minutes after the resevoir being filled as the diesel is rank till the largest sediments settle. Most of the guys getting their engines done were small contractors doing a bit of baling or drawing silage when things are quieter and they all had deliveries in last few months. I will probably end up changing filters every 6 months now to try to stop the same thing happening again

tvo

5live wrote: »

I was wondering if anybody has had diesel problems lately. I went to my mechanic today to pay for repairs to the fuel injector pump(E800. Must be made of solid gold) and 2 more guys in with the same problems. I dont think it is the new regulations on bio diesel( but what the hell i will blame gormley anyway:)) as the diesel was bought last year but there seems to be a lot of problems with diesel this year

i note you bought the diesel last year I have heard that diesel will degrade over time might be worth buying in smaller quantities

pakalasa

I put in an IBC (1000 Lt container) as a tempory storage a few years back. Well, I'm still using it.:rolleyes:

I noticed the last time it was filled, there was a lot of black slick type gunk, like described above, on the bottom of the tank when it was near empty. So much so that I took the tank out and powerwashed it before refilling it.
It's empty again now and the same gunk is back in the tank. :mad:

blue5000

I know of a few ppl near me having problems with a newish brand, used to be shell near here. Common rail is worse as they go up to 20,000psi

Some say the filters on each diesel pump at the service stations cost 1000e to change them. They simply dont use them anymore.

More Sulphur is being removed next year too, I think this could act as a lubricant in injector pumps. anyone else know more as I could be wrong on this one?

barryoc1

I also had to replace the injector pump in my tractor last week. It is a David Brown 1390 and never gives trouble and then had to pay 800 for a new pump. Some shock. My mechanic said that it must have been dirty diesel and he said he has done one for a neighbour of ours 3 times this year. So you could be right bout there being a significant problem this year. And by coinsidence my Massey 135 had a dirty diesel problem while the David Brown was out of action. It was the fuel pipe comin from the diesel tank to the lift pump that got blocked but my temporary solution was blow air down the line and blow it out. Only cleans the yards really so might work away as is. Hopefully anyway.

Shauny2010

whelan1 wrote: »

oh is a lorry driver , he uses green diesel- dont tell anyone;)- but the amount of dirt that comes out of the filter is unreal , now the tractors etc are running fine but the lorry is constantly having diesel problems , he has taken the tanks off and washed them out and changed the filters many times

I'm telling

vincenzolorenzo

whelan1 wrote: »

oh is a lorry driver , he uses green diesel- dont tell anyone;)-

Hmm, joking aside, i'm not sure you should be saying that on a public web forum. You'd never know who'd be reading it:(

We had serious hassle with bad diesel about 6 weeks ago. The lads came in to the yard one morning and tried to start the teleporter and no joy. Tried all the usual things, filters etc but still wouldn't start. Then opened an injector to see if diesel was getting to the cylinder and apparently that was a big no-no with a common rail engine. In the end any the dealer was called out and 4 new injectors and a rail were fitted, not cheap. Teleporter fires up and runs for 6 hours, hen tstops again :mad:

This time JCB sent a technician over from the UK and they decided that the high pressure fuel pump was knackered and would need replacing, which is an engine out job. :eek: The morning they came to do it they had a last check over everything and decided that the pump was actually fine and that it was the diesel that was wrong all along.:rolleyes: So we've been adding a cupful of additive to each tank of diesel ever since. Don't know what the name of it is but its strong stuff - left a drop in a plastic bottle and it ate through the plastic overnight.

Summary: hardship with a teleporter, final diagnosis - bad diesel

Casinoking

Dirty diesel is causing problems with a lot of the newer John Deere tractors too, the pressure is dropping off the injectors when a bit of dirt goes through the pump. Similar problems with Land Cruisers and Transits. The more refined the engine the less it likes hardship!

snowman707

Casinoking wrote: »

Dirty diesel is causing problems with a lot of the newer John Deere tractors too, the pressure is dropping off the injectors when a bit of dirt goes through the pump. Similar problems with Land Cruisers and Transits. The more refined the engine the less it likes hardship!

I discussed this some time ago with a contractor who runs about 4 JD s , he uses a external filtering system on his filler hose and never had any problems



http://www.rotech.ie/images/9_Filters.jpg

pakalasa

snowman707 wrote: »

I discussed this some time ago with a contractor who runs about 4 JD s , he uses a external filtering system on his filler hose and never had any promlems.......

The fuel filters on the tractor should be catching all this dirt anyway. That's what I find strange.
But you're right, the more filters the better.

I filter mine twice, coming out of the tank and then when filling the tractor. It's only one of those funnel filters - still better than nothing.

snowman707

[QUOTE=pakalasa;68263831

I filter mine twice, coming out of the tank and then when filling the tractor. It's only one of those funnel filters - still better than nothing.[/QUOTE]

no disrespect meant , but you are literally wasting your time ,

you need a micron filter to pick up the tiny ("micro") particles of dirt and moisture which are causing the problems in the modern high pressure diesel injection systems

5live

snowman707 wrote: »

you need a micron filter to pick up the tiny ("micro") particles of dirt and moisture which are causing the problems in the modern high pressure diesel injection systems

I thought the actual filter on the diesel line in the tractor was supposed to do that? Even though on balance we will be lowering agricultures carbon footprint if there are no tractors actually moving. And thats whats important rather than paying the bills and feeding the country? Right??? Seriously though, as i only use the tractor for a couple of hundred hours a year should i be looking at changing filters twice a year? More?

reilig

5live wrote: »

I thought the actual filter on the diesel line in the tractor was supposed to do that? Even though on balance we will be lowering agricultures carbon footprint if there are no tractors actually moving. And thats whats important rather than paying the bills and feeding the country? Right??? Seriously though, as i only use the tractor for a couple of hundred hours a year should i be looking at changing filters twice a year? More?

The tractor filters should be changed at the specified service timed. For modern tractors, you should have a filter on the filler hose of your diesel storage tank.

pakalasa

snowman707 wrote: »

no disrespect meant , but you are literally wasting your time ,

you need a micron filter to pick up the tiny ("micro") particles of dirt and moisture which are causing the problems in the modern high pressure diesel injection systems

I agree. Tractor is nearly 35 years old - so I get away with it.:D

5live

reilig wrote: »

The tractor filters should be changed at the specified service timed. For modern tractors, you should have a filter on the filler hose of your diesel storage tank.

I have that done now. I also hot washed the tank and the fuel line out. I also had to wash out the entire fuel system and most of the flexi lines replaced. With my tractor useage the filter should last 18 months but i still change every 12 months. And one poster says that diesel degrades over time. I hope that 9 months after purchase that diesel would still be ok to use. Plus 1000 liters a bit cheaper than 2 500litre fills. And when the fuel gets low there is a temptation to fill up with the dirtier stuff at the bottom. I am just a bit concerned about the new (improved?) bio diesel we will now have to use. Hopefully it was just a one off fuel problem

reilig

Another thing that's very noticable these days is that older tractors have a primary and secondary filter - so if one doesn't catch all the sh!t, the second one will. Most new tractors have only one filter. It could be the cause of a lot of probelms with them.

reilig

5live wrote: »

I have that done now. I also hot washed the tank and the fuel line out. I also had to wash out the entire fuel system and most of the flexi lines replaced. With my tractor useage the filter should last 18 months but i still change every 12 months. And one poster says that diesel degrades over time. I hope that 9 months after purchase that diesel would still be ok to use. Plus 1000 liters a bit cheaper than 2 500litre fills. And when the fuel gets low there is a temptation to fill up with the dirtier stuff at the bottom. I am just a bit concerned about the new (improved?) bio diesel we will now have to use. Hopefully it was just a one off fuel problem

They don't recommend storing fuel for that long. Also, they don't recommend storing fuel in a tank that is too big for it. ie. Storing 1000l in a 3000l tank. They say that this can lead to a condensation build up in the tank which will seriously degrade the quality of the fuel. Fuel stored over a long period of time also collects condensation which is why they recommend not storing it for too long.

fraxinus

Last Saturday I filled my jeep with diesel and on Tuesday morning it cut out with what the garage said was a fuel mgt. problem. I have had the tank drained and kept a gallon of the suspect fuel which my mechanic said should not be in any vehicle. I also hav a receipt for the purchase as I paid with laser. What can I do now to nail the supplier of this suspect diesel?

Attie

fraxinus wrote: »

Last Saturday I filled my jeep with diesel and on Tuesday morning it cut out with what the garage said was a fuel mgt. problem. I have had the tank drained and kept a gallon of the suspect fuel which my mechanic said should not be in any vehicle. I also hav a receipt for the purchase as I paid with laser. What can I do now to nail the supplier of this suspect diesel?

Fraxinus
We have ran into this a few times friends and I, brother in law bought new Merc roughly 9 months later blown pump dealer didn't want to know 1500e to fix
He had an account with the filling station and paid the bill by visa he took at your man only to be told " I don't know what you did after you left my yard you could have put anything into the tank "
Lots of problems like this around the border area admittedly mostly in cars/jeeps :mad:.
Only one of many cases.

Have had few snags with Zetor,35 but washed out tanks new filter on tractor and new filter on storage tank seams to have fixed the problem
This post is of no use to you other than to let you know my experiencece.
Sorry attie

coolshannagh28

The rash of diesel problems seem to be down to the launderers using a silting system instead of chemical to wash the fuel ,the only onswer is micron filters or highly selective purchase policy

Attie

coolshannagh28 wrote: »

The rash of diesel problems seem to be down to the launderers using a silting system instead of chemical to wash the fuel ,the only onswer is micron filters or highly selective purchase policy

Coolshannagh
I'd stick with very highly selective purchase policy as no easy way to clean diesel.
Although you can mix colours and get clear stuff which when looked at quickly looks ok but when tested will show its true colours.
attie

whelan1

living in an area where laundered fuel is plentiful, i always avoid the real cheap places as these are obviously wrong... for the sake of a few cent per litre its worth going to a good place

corkcomp

not referring to any posters here but from what I see in general most people dont have a clue how to handle diesel.. how many people still use big steel tanks that have never been cleaned and only replace the fuel filters when the tractor stops? with the new sulphur free diesel and common rail engines these practices wont work too well!

Muckit

snowman707 wrote: »

I discussed this some time ago with a contractor who runs about 4 JD s , he uses a external filtering system on his filler hose and never had any problems



http://www.rotech.ie/images/9_Filters.jpg

The only job. The filter on these is way finer than any car or tractor filter. So if you are meticulous when filling, no dirt should get in tank and block your vehicles filters.

Anyone making and using their own bio-diesel?

Attie

coolshannagh28 wrote: »

The rash of diesel problems seem to be down to the launderers using a silting system instead of chemical to wash the fuel ,the only onswer is micron filters or highly selective purchase policy

Coolshannagh
Chemical cleaning = loss of lubrication = chemicals in diesel = seals in pump fecked = more expense :mad:
attie