mink let loose

Grizzly 45

Birdnuts wrote: »

Where is this Broxton wingnut from??

No idea....Yet!;)..She is pretty much a newbie on the scene,about 2to 3 years.But seems to concentrate on the younger section.

vixdname

Feargal as Luimneach wrote: »

Well, if Ireland never had any mink farms in the first place we wouldn't have a mink problem! There just too dangerous (if they are released) an animal to have.

If a factory which had hazardous chemicals was kept on being broken into and as a result there was harmfull chemicals being released into the enviroment. What would people say? Get adequate security or shut the place down.:cool:

Fungus, me old friend, you're succeeding in nothing only digging yourself deeper into a hole - The points the lads have made here are indisputable
What was done was a sheer act of criminality and cannot be blamed on inadequate security measures.

homerhop

According to a certain website associated with miss broxton the ALF have laid claim to releasing the mink

Birdnuts

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

No idea....Yet!;)..She is pretty much a newbie on the scene,about 2to 3 years.But seems to concentrate on the younger section.

I intend to put on my best hippy gear(I already have a dodgy lookin beard:D) and infiltrate her inner circle;)

PS: I don't mean all hippies are bad, some of my best friends are/were hippies and the way things are going in this country I may have to adopt some of their ways yet eg. living in shacks, mobile home, tents, gathering my own food, free love etc.:eek:;)

vixdname

Sparks wrote: »

Now would be the time to be writing into the various letters-to-the-editor pages folks...

• Examiner
• Irish Times
• Irish Independent

Just did Sparks, sent it to all three papers, its a bit long bit needed to be, dunno if they'll print it or not but feck it, it's worth a chance, it reads as follows:

Dear Sir \ Madam,
I would like to make a comment on the actions of some so called “Animal Lovers” (and I use that term in its loosest context) and their actions of releasing what could amount up to 5000 mink into the local countryside after they illegally broke into a mink farm near Meenavalley Co. Donegal.
This action will cause untold damage to the local wildlife including poultry and local Salmon stocks.
I’m sure these “Tree Huggers” patted themselves on the back after carrying out this act of pure criminality and congratulated themselves on a job well done in “Saving” these 5000 Mink from certain death.
As a consequence of their actions the only methods available to try and contain this outbreak was to set traps and hopefully catch the mink live, there will only be limited success in this method in my experience.
The other method was to call in the local gun club so as its member could do their very best in order to prevent the spread of these mink by whatever means were at their disposal.
The remaining mink that aren’t trapped or rounded up by volunteers will inevitably end up being spotted by farmers and shot on sight as these mink will destroy certain livestock and whatever mink are left after that will more then likely perish as they are not accustomed to living in the wild.
So all in all, in a ridiculous attempt to “SAVE” these 5000 mink from death, these animal rights activists have succeeded in A.\ Ensuring that most of these Mink who aren’t recaptured can have an open season on any indigenous birds or animals in the area resulting in huge amounts of local wild life deaths.
B.\ Large numbers of these mink will die of exposure as they were reared in captivity and may not survive in the wild and will probably freeze to death and
C.\ Help decimated the local Salmon stocks as the Salmon pools are full of spawn at the moment and are easy prey for these mink.
So its OK to “SAVE” 5000 mink at the expense of possibly 1000s of local wild birds and many more thousands of Salmon spawns – It just doesn’t add up – more thousands of animals are now going to perish whether it be local birds or Salmon simply because of these uneducated idiots and I am very hopeful that the powers that be will do their utmost in ensuring these idiots are rounded up and made pay whether it be through jail time or financial means for the havoc they have unleashed onto this part of our countryside
Finally, one further disturbing element to this story is the comments made by a couple of leading figures in animal rights organisations in the country who were quoted as saying that eventhough they hadn’t anything to do with this particular act they also commended the individuals involved in carrying out this act.
Isn’t it frightening that the leaders of these animal rights organisations are so ignorant and uneducated in the subject of what affects the release of these kind of animals can have on local wildlife ? It makes you wonder how in touch the underlings in these organisations are considering how stupid their leaders are.
It’d be funny if it wasn’t so serious.

Vic, From Waterford

Grizzly 45

Birdnuts wrote: »

I intend to put on my best hippy gear(I already have a dodgy lookin beard:D) and infiltrate her inner circle;)

PS: I don't mean all hippies are bad, some of my best friends are/were hippies and the way things are going in this country I may have to adopt some of their ways yet eg. living in shacks, mobile home, tents, gathering my own food, free love etc.:eek:;)

You mean there are still some LEFT???:eek::eek: Quick !Get onto the conservation society..I thought they were only left in Haight Ashbury in San Fransisco!!!!:D:D
Nah,youd be better off getting the old Che Gureva beret and espose power to the animals and brush up on militant tactics.That might get you somwhere.Not to mind be able to talk crap 24/7 in best university student style.:pac:

Glanton

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

Have just turned it on, has it been on yet??

Heard the interview that day, was of poor quality on both sides

The reporter from Highland radio said he had never heard of mink farms in Donegal before this and was vague enough with his other answers

Pat Kenny suggested the local gunclubs would now have cheap target practice.

Feargal as Luimneach

Interesting article on mink release:
http://www.birdwatchireland.ie/News/IrresponsibleminkreleaseinDonegal/tabid/1102/Default.aspx

pedroeibar1

Feargal as Luimneach wrote: »

Interesting article on mink release:
http://www.birdwatchireland.ie/News/IrresponsibleminkreleaseinDonegal/tabid/1102/Default.aspx

Yes, it is very interesting!
BWI according to their statement ‘is seriously concerned’ about the release of the mink. It is a pity that they did not come out and in plain language condemn what is a blatant criminal act, instead of some mealy-mouthed comments.
The absence of a condemnation is perhaps explained by ‘The continued existence of fur farming however is the root of the problem and the expected closure of such farms in 2012 under the current programme for government is long awaited to prevent similar future problems.’

The root of the problem is ignorance and thuggery that go unchecked and are aided from an absence of criticism by those in a position to do so. IMO it is a good example of the mindset of those in control of BWI
P.

veritable

poulo6.5 wrote: »

more like the mink will eat all the indigenous birds and small mammals. but it was a fair mistake i'm sure they meant well

Boll*x it was a fair mistake. It was a premeditated criminal act. I hope they jail the person responsible.

Feargal as Luimneach

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

Yes, it is very interesting!
BWI according to their statement ‘is seriously concerned’ about the release of the mink. It is a pity that they did not come out and in plain language condemn what is a blatant criminal act, instead of some mealy-mouthed comments.
The absence of a condemnation is perhaps explained by ‘The continued existence of fur farming however is the root of the problem and the expected closure of such farms in 2012 under the current programme for government is long awaited to prevent similar future problems.’

The root of the problem is ignorance and thuggery that go unchecked and are aided from an absence of criticism by those in a position to do so. IMO it is a good example of the mindset of those in control of BWI
P.

The feral mink population in Ireland comes from 3 sources.
1: fools like ALF who release them.
2: mink escaping themselves from farms.
3: deliberate release by the farm owners themselves.
Therefore BWI are correct in saying that "The continued existence of fur farming however is the root of the problem";)

Sparks

They're incorrect in this case FaL because the farmer neither deliberately nor accidentally released 5,000 mink. It was a criminal act of vandalism and if those responsible were prosecuted to the full extent of the law, the problem would be unlikely to recur.

Feargal as Luimneach

Sparks wrote: »

They're incorrect in this case FaL because the farmer neither deliberately nor accidentally released 5,000 mink. It was a criminal act of vandalism and if those responsible were prosecuted to the full extent of the law, the problem would be unlikely to recur.

I never said the farmer released them in this case. I was talking about the sources of mink in Ireland as a whole.:rolleyes:

Sparks

You are rather missing the point there FaL. Criminals caused damage, and you're suggesting that the solution is to close down farms, adding to unemployment and general economic hardship as a reward for the criminals and a punishment for law-abiding people.
That's the unacceptable part - rewarding criminals for crime has a technical name : sedition.

Grizzly 45

"Released accidently on purpose in the 1960s" ..from BWI article.Maybe,maybe not. Would be kind of odd that a mink farm or any other farm enterprise would spend a lot of time money and labour in rearing a product and because there is No market just releasing it into the wild???So ,by the same logic,if the price of beef cattle would fall, somone will just release their suckler herd into the wild "because there is no money in it?"Stories in Ireland do have a tendency to grow in shape and size from mole hills to mt Everest,given the length of time combined by the re telling of many different people.

Feargal as Luimneach

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

"Released accidently on purpose in the 1960s" ..from BWI article.Maybe,maybe not. Would be kind of odd that a mink farm or any other farm enterprise would spend a lot of time money and labour in rearing a product and because there is No market just releasing it into the wild???So ,by the same logic,if the price of beef cattle would fall, somone will just release their suckler herd into the wild "because there is no money in it?"Stories in Ireland do have a tendency to grow in shape and size from mole hills to mt Everest,given the length of time combined by the re telling of many different people.

The mink fur trade crashed in the 60's. It was unviable to keep the farms open, they were losing money. That is why they were released by their owners from some mink farms.

pedroeibar1

Feargal as Luimneach wrote: »

The mink fur trade crashed in the 60's. It was unviable to keep the farms open, they were losing money. That is why they were released by their owners from some mink farms.

You really should do some research instead of repeating urban myths. Mink farmers were being supplied with FREE food for the animals - all fish processors were delighted to have a place to bring their waste. Inputs were extremely low compared to other forms of farming. Mink farms were were exporting their end product and while some were not run very professionally by 'hobbyiest' owners, most were not losing money.

Yes, in the 60's/70's some mink did escape and they were not reported - inexcusable. The mink population in Ireland is largely due to a dangerous element that criminally set caged animals free. Fact.

You also might like to consider that most of the Donegal mink that had their cages opened chose to remain in them. Hardly a likely response if they were uncared for/unhappy.
P.

Feargal as Luimneach

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

You really should do some research instead of repeating urban myths. Mink farmers were being supplied with FREE food for the animals - all fish processors were delighted to have a place to bring their waste. Inputs were extremely low compared to other forms of farming. Mink farms were were exporting their end product and while some were not run very professionally by 'hobbyiest' owners, most were not losing money.

Yes, in the 60's/70's some mink did escape and they were not reported - inexcusable. The mink population in Ireland is largely due to a dangerous element that criminally set caged animals free. Fact.

You also might like to consider that most of the Donegal mink that had their cages opened chose to remain in them. Hardly a likely response if they were uncared for/unhappy.
P.

The reason they remained in their cages is because thay have never experienced life outside the cage . Neophobia refers to the tendency of an animal to avoid or retreat from an unfamiliar object or situation.:rolleyes:

Sparks

Feargal as Luimneach wrote: »

The reason they remained in their cages is because thay have never experienced life outside the cage . Neophobia refers to the tendency of an animal to avoid or retreat from an unfamiliar object or situation.:rolleyes:

And "assumption" refers to what you've just said there.
Unless you knew the mink in question FaL, knew the conditions they were kept in, knew the standards on the farm, you really can't say why they stayed.
Frankly, we should just be happy they did - if all 5,000 mink had escaped, the local ecology wouldn't be under threat, it'd be gone.

Feargal as Luimneach

Sparks wrote: »

And "assumption" refers to what you've just said there.
Unless you knew the mink in question FaL, knew the conditions they were kept in, knew the standards on the farm, you really can't say why they stayed.
Frankly, we should just be happy they did - if all 5,000 mink had escaped, the local ecology wouldn't be under threat, it'd be gone.

No Sparky, it's not an assumption it's called basic animal behaviour:rolleyes:

Sparks

If it was normal behaviour FaL, it wouldn't be a phobia.

Feargal as Luimneach

Sparks wrote: »

If it was normal behaviour FaL, it wouldn't be a phobia.

Put a mink in a cage for it's life and it ain't going to display normal mink behaviour.;)

Sparks

No, but since normal mink behaviour involves killing everything, that's a good thing.

Birdnuts

I think we can all agree that mink suck and releasing them is dumb;)

sikastag

Feargal as Luimneach wrote: »

Put a mink in a cage for it's life and it ain't going to display normal mink behaviour.;)

And the person who attempted to release 5,000 of them clearly isnt displaying normal behaviour and hence, should be caged immediately!

Feargal as Luimneach

Sparks wrote: »

No, but since normal mink behaviour involves killing everything, that's a good thing.

American mink killing things in it's native range in North America: good:)
American mink killing things outside it's native range ie Europe: bad:(

Feargal as Luimneach

sikastag wrote: »

And the person who attempted to release 5,000 of them clearly isnt displaying normal behaviour and hence, should be caged immediately!

I agree 100%

TippFan77

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

As we are continously reminded here about slander folks could we PLEASE NOTE the following;
Bernie Wright has NO connection with ICABS,as a repersentative,member or anything else..

ICABS does NOT condone criminal acts...It is a reason John Fitzgerald and John Tierney were made leave ICABS after their respective brushes with the law.in 1985 and 1994 respectively.Although the largest organisation here it is the least violent.It is too easy to lump it all together as "ICABS",but there are at least five plus different groups here in Ireland
ICABS,CACS,AHOS,DHS,GHS,WHS,AFAR,ARAN.

Bernie Wright is involved with the following organisations;Dublin Hunt Sabs,Waterford Hunt Sabs[co founded with John Tierney],Greyhound action network,and various one man/woman bands that support animal rights issues.Whatever the issue she will promptly found a group to cover it.While claiming not to condone violence or militant methods,BW acts as a PR clearing house for comminiques from ALF.She has also been known to associate with known militants and subversives .Ranging from an ex Loyalist bombmaker,to Robin Webb PR of UK hunt Sabs Assoc ,charged but aquitted with possesion of a sawn off shotgun and bomb making materials,to Dr Jerry Vlaseck,who was served a exclusion order from the UK home office in 2006[?]from entering the UK to lecture,due to his incitement to violence speechs in the US.Where he advocated shooting and bombing animal vivisection clinics and vivisectionists.
So BW militant tendencies and associations should be enough for any police force to investigate further.

So lets just be careful to associate the" Wright "people with the right groups.;)

To get this absolutely accurate...John Tierney was convicted in Waterford District Court in relation to a bugle-blowing incident at Tramore involving a hunt,. but this was overturned on appeal to the Circuit Court.

John Fitzgerald was tried for alleged intimidation of coursing club members and owners of coursing fields but was acquitted.

Neither has a criminal record. That's just the factual situation which anyone can check out, and neither Tierney nor Fitzgerald was "made" leave ICABS. They set up different groups.

That whole thing about linking animal groups to subsersives" etc can proved a double edged sword. Any grouping can be linked with all sorts of people. A shooter or an angler could have an old pal who did something wierd or unlawful years ago...that doesn't mean that he, let alone all other shooters, are to be condemned.

I would defend shooting easily without once bringing in all this stuff about people's habits and associations.

The release of the mink is so crazy and indefensible that I don't need to attack the personalities of people who just happen not to approve of mink farming.