Protest truck blocking Dáil access

paulaa

Happyman42 wrote: »

Answer the question ffs. It's all very 'brave' applauding on the internet but at what point is this kinda of action wrong? How far do you let people go to protest? You aren't brave enough to use your own trucks like this....are you? Or is it that you just enjoy being 'brave' on the internet/

You need to calm yourself down a bit and have some manners and don't "ffs" me.

What did you want answered ? You asked about a Garda having to jump out of the way, it didn't happen so nothing to answer.

I would have no problem using the trucks for a peaceful protest, in fact they have driven in convoy through Dublin before now to protest the price of diesel etc. I have also protested several other things over the years.

I have no problem putting myself out to publicly protest anything I don't agree with. What do you do ? Sit and hope someone like me will do your dirty work for you or applaud those who have the country in the black hole it's in today ?

fishder

I have to agree with Paula on this The Irish are a spinless people I was once was proud to be Irish not any more we swallow any bull**** this bunch off idiots in government deal out. We are the laughing stock off europe at present. Is it any wonder it took 800 years to get our independance from the English. My old grandmother used to say it was a better country when the brits were here now I wonder.I think we need a change off goverment soon and more accountability for the actions off people in power. Its such a tragety we could have been one off the best little countries in europe had this stupid greed by the banks had not destroyed it for everyone . I dont think Denmark or Finland would have allowed this to happen .

paulaa

hallelujajordan wrote: »

When anyone takes the law into their own hands and risks other peoples lives in doing so it annoys me . . When others jump on a bandwagon and praise him without knowing who he is, what he did or what his motivations are just because his action happens to suit their argument then it annoys me even more. .

And really, your arguing that he is not posing a danger because people could see and hear the truck coming towards them ? Really ?

You're being hysterical and exaggerating what happened.
According to several eyewitnesses he drove normally to the gates, stopped the truck got out on the roof to open a huge hoarding on the back, got down, cut the air brake pipes, put the keys in his pocket and then the Garda came over to talk to him.

No one's life was at risk and there was no danger.

paulaa

djpbarry wrote: »

The makings of a screw-up were evident several years ago – I can recall warnings of an over-heated property market and declining exports as far back as 2004. But the electorate returned the current government to office in 2007. Why? Because everyone had bags of money and they wanted more of the same.
I’ve taken some action too – I went and got myself a job. Yay me. Applause please.

And as others have said, I would keep my pity in check until I knew precisely who this guy is and what his motives were.
How moronic do we look for electing them in the first place?

Well done on getting your job, they're like hen's teeth around here atm.

I cannot take credit for keeping this pack of leeches in the Dail. I didn't borrow tons of money and I didn't have time to be a member of a golf club or anything else as I was working 7 days a week and putting 3 kids through university.

I agree with you the electorate needs to wake up, get away from parish pump politics and look at the bigger picture. The problem is what do the others to offer .

gazzer

How come this guy is arrested and still in jail yet that FG TD Sheehan can allegedly drive his car while pissed to the gates of the Dail, abuse a member of the gardai and get off with a telling off?

jmayo

alb wrote: »

Isn't the main problem with Anglo that the developers that gambled by borrowing huge sums of money can't pay them back... so if this developer is broke, isn't he more of a cause than a victim of the Anglo debacle?

Just because he was broke and a devleoepr does nto neccessarily mena he banked with Anglo.
AIB, BOI and ul;ster also bankrolled Anglo.
sena dunne managed to con Ulster into giving him hundreds of millions for s ite in D4 with the off chance he might build a skyscraper.

The big difference though is Ulster is not aksing the taxpayers to not pay that back.

hallelujajordan wrote: »

Brilliant . . that should do wonders for the international confidence in our economy that we so badly need right now. . .

Ah more hyperbole from our resident ffer.
(watching for long arm of mod protection squad as I say this)

You know what would do wonders for our image and international confidence in us ?

It would be the resignation of YOUR party's leader and his other ineffectual incompetent morons.

Then the leader of our country and thus us all might not be the butt of US primetime chat shows. :mad:

ButtersSuki

The driver will most likely get some jail time for driving a truck with an anti-Anglo message painted onto it whilst Seanie Fitz will enjoy freedom and the "rewards" of driving Anglo off a financial cliff.

Somewhat ironic.........

Laminations

djpbarry wrote: »

That’s hardly a secret, is it?

I'd agree. So then what is HJs point? What does this particular protest tell the markets that we should be regretting?

hallelujajordan wrote: »

Brilliant . . that should do wonders for the international confidence in our economy that we so badly need right now. . .

FreudianSlippers

ButtersSuki wrote: »

The driver will most likely get some jail time for driving a truck with an anti-Anglo message painted onto it whilst Seanie Fitz will enjoy freedom and the "rewards" of driving Anglo off a financial cliff.

Somewhat ironic.........

Now you're talking nonsense. Criminal actions ought to be taken against him for his acts, not for having anti-anglo messages painted onto it.

ButtersSuki

OisinT wrote: »

Now you're talking nonsense. Criminal actions ought to be taken against him for his acts, not for having anti-anglo messages painted onto it.

I was exaggerating to highlight the base point that Seanie Fitz will likely not have to do jail time for his immeasurably more serious white collar crime.

What are the driver's acts though OisinT? Parking illegally, illegally blocking an entrance to a place of work and perhaps my old favourite "wasting Garda time" seems to be the height of it. No one was injured.

paulaa

OisinT wrote: »

Now you're talking nonsense. Criminal actions ought to be taken against him for his acts, not for having anti-anglo messages painted onto it.

What criminal acts ? Peaceful protest is now a criminal act?

What is this, communist Russia ?

Happyman42

paulaa wrote: »

What did you want answered ?

eh.....The question?

baldbear

OisinT wrote: »

Now you're talking nonsense. Criminal actions ought to be taken against him for his acts, not for having anti-anglo messages painted onto it.

Taking criminal actions against this man is not going to happen. It's ridiculous to even suggest that. It would be a waste of money and time.

He carried out a peaceful action which got maximum media attention and alot of public support. So it was a huge success imo.

Ash.J.Williams

ButtersSuki wrote: »

The driver will most likely get some jail time for driving a truck with an anti-Anglo message painted onto it whilst Seanie Fitz will enjoy freedom and the "rewards" of driving Anglo off a financial cliff.

Somewhat ironic.........

No he transferred the deeds of the truck to his wife before he drove it to the dail!

OhNoYouDidn't

gazzer wrote: »

How come this guy is arrested and still in jail yet that FG TD Sheehan can allegedly drive his car while pissed to the gates of the Dail, abuse a member of the gardai and get off with a telling off?

Because, like it or not, no member of the Oireachtas can be arrested coming to or from the Dail. The Garda in question technically broke the law. But thats an aside.

There is an awful lot of Joe Duffy on this thread. It was a stunt. No-one was hurt. No damage done. Whoop de doo.

hallelujajordan

Laminations wrote: »

I'd agree. So then what is HJs point? What does this particular protest tell the markets that we should be regretting?

My point is that it creates an image across the international media that we don't need . . . in the same way that Cowen created a similar image when he went on national radio feeling 'tired and emotional' . . Neither will do anything to help our recovery.

Happyman42 wrote: »

eh.....The question?

@Paulaa, you can also answer mine while you are at it. .

Ash.J.Williams

hallelujajordan wrote: »

My point is that it creates an image across the international media that we don't need . . . in the same way that Cowen created a similar image when he went on national radio feeling 'tired and emotional' . . Neither will do anything to help our recovery.



@Paulaa, you can also answer mine while you are at it. .

Yes creates an image that Ireland has balls for a change...

hallelujajordan

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Yes creates an image that Ireland has balls for a change...

You think ? Do you think the markets form that view ? Do you think that the markets had a similar impression of Greece when they saw rioting on the streets ?

The image this presents is that Ireland is a train wreck and while you may believe that and I may agree with you, it is not an image that will help build the confidence we need to effect a recovery.

Ash.J.Williams

hallelujajordan wrote: »

You think ? Do you think the markets form that view ? Do you think that the markets had a similar impression of Greece when they saw rioting on the streets ?

The image this presents is that Ireland is a train wreck and while you may believe that and I may agree with you, it is not an image that will help build the confidence we need to effect a recovery.

It's easy to lose faith in market driven idiology looking smirking bankers making a joke of our legal system.

20Cent

hallelujajordan wrote: »

You think ? Do you think the markets form that view ? Do you think that the markets had a similar impression of Greece when they saw rioting on the streets ?

The image this presents is that Ireland is a train wreck and while you may believe that and I may agree with you, it is not an image that will help build the confidence we need to effect a recovery.

Fcuk the markets.

NickDrake

baldbear wrote: »

Taking criminal actions against this man is not going to happen. It's ridiculous to even suggest that. It would be a waste of money and time.

He carried out a peaceful action which got maximum media attention and alot of public support. So it was a huge success imo.

The Gardai may try to enfore some Public Order offences.

Dangerous driving also. Endangerment also. Incitement of hatred

All criminal offences.

I hope not.

He is being held a long time so they must be trying to charge him with something.

Really wonder with the Gardai sometimes. As they others off for a lot more.

Permabear

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djpbarry

paulaa wrote: »

What do you do ? Sit and hope someone like me will do your dirty work for you or applaud those who have the country in the black hole it's in today ?

There’s nothing wrong with a protest so long as it has a rational reason behind it. Protesting for the sake of protesting is however, completely pointless and counter-productive.

paulaa wrote: »

I cannot take credit for keeping this pack of leeches in the Dail. I didn't borrow tons of money...

Nor did I, but that’s democracy.

djpbarry

fishder wrote: »

Its such a tragety we could have been one off the best little countries in europe had this stupid greed by the banks had not destroyed it for everyone .

Oh please. People could have invested all that cheap credit in anything they wanted, like business start-ups, for example. But everyone chose property. Lots and lots of property. The likes of Anglo simply provided the credit to builders to provide the property that everyone wanted (that’s not to excuse any wrong-doing that may have taken place).

ButtersSuki wrote: »

I was exaggerating to highlight the base point that Seanie Fitz will likely not have to do jail time for his immeasurably more serious white collar crime.

In your opinion. In my opinion, it will take time for the Gardaí to build a case against him (assuming something untoward has taken place). In the mean time, we would be better served focussing on getting people back into employment rather than dwelling on past events. And by “we” I mean everyone, not just our political representatives.

NickDrake

djpbarry wrote: »

Oh please. People could have invested all that cheap credit in anything they wanted, like business start-ups, for example. But everyone chose property. Lots and lots of property. The likes of Anglo simply provided the credit to builders to provide the property that everyone wanted (that’s not to excuse any wrong-doing that may have taken place).
In your opinion. In my opinion, it will take time for the Gardaí to build a case against him (assuming something untoward has taken place). In the mean time, we would be better served focussing on getting people back into employment rather than dwelling on past events. And by “we” I mean everyone, not just our political representatives.

Statute of limitations may eventually come into action if they continue to take this long. Lets face it, if an action could be taken, it would have been taken by now.

Too many loop holes in company law to prove he gained any personal benefit from a fraud( thats if he acted fraudulently). Therefore, it is very unlikely any action will be taken.

dvpower

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

It's easy to lose faith in market driven idiology looking smirking bankers making a joke of our legal system.

20Cent wrote: »

Fcuk the markets.

You may not like the system but its the one that we currently have (and none of the parties are looking to change that).

My name is URL

Has the guys name been released yet?

OhNoYouDidn't

donegalfella wrote: »

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The markets got us into this mess at a global level in causing the recession. Now we are told to shut our mouths and take whatever FF decide needs to be done in case we spook the markets that caused the carnage in the first place.

Something is wrong with that picture. And I understand why people couldn't give a hoot what the disgraced ratings agencies say.

20Cent

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

The markets got us into this mess at a global level in causing the recession. Now we are told to shut our mouths and take whatever FF decide needs to be done in case we spook the markets that caused the carnage in the first place.

Something is wrong with that picture. And I understand why people couldn't give a hoot what the disgraced ratings agencies say.

Donegallfella makes money from selling us short. The more cuts the better for him.

FreudianSlippers

My name is URL wrote: »

Has the guys name been released yet?

Not that I've heard, no.

I think all the info out so far is that he's 41(?)

dvpower

OisinT wrote: »

Not that I've heard, no.

I think all the info out so far is that he's 41(?)

Joe something (according to a caller to Joe Duffy).

NickDrake

OisinT wrote: »

Not that I've heard, no.

I think all the info out so far is that he's 41(?)

Didnt hear Liveline then. More info on him.

Why is he being held so long?

caseyann

NickDrake wrote: »

The Gardai may try to enfore some Public Order offences.

Dangerous driving also. Endangerment also. Incitement of hatred

All criminal offences.

I hope not.

He is being held a long time so they must be trying to charge him with something.

Really wonder with the Gardai sometimes. As they others off for a lot more.

Maybe they are giving him a few ideas

djpbarry

NickDrake wrote: »

Statute of limitations may eventually come into action if they continue to take this long. Lets face it, if an action could be taken, it would have been taken by now.

I don’t agree with that at all. Cases against white-collar criminals can take years to build – people have to be patient and let the Gardaí do their job.

djpbarry

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

The markets got us into this mess at a global level in causing the recession.

The wider global economic situation certainly hasn’t done us any favours, but this mess has a great big “Made in Ireland” tag hanging out of it.

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Now we are told to shut our mouths and take whatever FF decide needs to be done in case we spook the markets that caused the carnage in the first place.

People seemed to be quite happy to “take whatever FF decide needs to be done” when the price of property was shooting skyward.

Permabear

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casandra

Cement mixer truck parks at Dail gates --- driver charged with using commercial vehicle for private use

screamer

How can you say people who have their houses repossessed should never have gotten loans? a lot of repos are because people have lost their jobs, I'd like to see the mortgage you'd get on less than 200 quid a week from the dole.... cop on a bit and have some sort of a heart. As for the suicide stats, pity you don't have them there for 2010, you'd see a huge rise in them and yes, it is directly linked to the recession, people who feel they have no way out of the debt they are in. yes, yes, it's their fault, they deserve no help or pity, I hear you cry, well, what about Anglo, let's apply the same rules to everyone in this banana republic. Simple fact is, the government will never do anything for the ordinary working man, as none of them come from this soon to be under-priviledged social class, and haven't the first notion of what it is to struggle, and if it takes a few bulldozers to go through Leinster house to wake them up, so be it, they're only being repo'd anyways, may as well get some good use out of em first

OhNoYouDidn't

donegalfella wrote: »

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True. But it was still created by the capitalist class who have run for cover and left the taxpayer holding the bag. As they have done globally. Our captains of industry have no problem whatsoever solialising their losses and creating havoc in their wake.

donegalfella wrote: »

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So lets stop bailing out toxic banks, especially as its with money that is being directly removed from the real econonomy and social services.

Which, I believe, is the point of the protest. Why do we need to borrow €40bn for Anglo in the first place....

It still bemuses me that right wing ideologues like yourself still think that capitalism as a construct has come out of this mess unscathed.

Liam Byrne

NickDrake wrote: »

Really wonder with the Gardai sometimes. As they others off for a lot more

What does that mean ? Maybe a "let" missing ?

mumu2010

Well I say fair play to this guy,he may have went to some extreme to make a point but at least he is willing to put his ass on the line for his rights.
Unlike the rest of us who just talk about how annoyed we are.
I do not think its right to just sit around and say we hate the government blah di blah,I think its time people started shouting about what they want,equality for a start.
I mean how many people actually turned out to the protests in dublin/galway today,
The french are in uproar over the retirement age being raised,what do they do,put the country at a standstill,
The spanish are unhappy about rights in the transport industry,what do they do,put trains,planes and automobiles at a standstill.
The Irish are unhappy with the way country is being run,what do we do,a big fat nothing!!!

I was watching Vincent Browne last night and they were going through the papers,
Government creating 300,000 jobs in next five years, IDA creating 62,000 jobs

Have any of you unemployed people out there ever logged onto FAS first thing in morn with your cup of coffee-(if your lucky enough)and seen any full time jobs created,these jobs should have been created two years ago not in the next five years
I mean where is the logic in advertising jobs for 10 hours per week on a temp basis,its absolutely crazy.The government always have to be ten steps ahead and ours is ten behind.

I'm sure many of you were shocked to hear and see the state of Brian Cowen on his bender in the media-or were you?
Whilst many of us were lying in bed worrying about how the mortgage/rent was going to be paid or how santa was going to be paid for,he was having a sing song-downing pints,prob at our expense.

I just wish that the Irish people would have the Balls to stand up for their rights rather than sit back and just take what you are given,

How many of you have had to go to the dreaded social welfare office,(for many prob the first time in your life) only to be told you might get your claim but there is a waiting list of at least 3 months,
or sorry but your stamos are out by one week,
You may have applied for the back to school allowance only to be told sorry you earn €5 over the limit you are not getting the claim.

It's like every door you open it just closes in your face and the next and the next and before you know it the only thing you are opening is red letters,

Our lives is like one big game of dominos I think, you don't get what you are entitled to,you do not pay rent/mortgage, gas, elec, your shopping needs decrease, no telly licence, so all these companies start to feel the pinch, disconnecting peoples electris and why beacuse a recession hits worldwide and what does this country do makes cuts
therefore there are not enough admin staff to keep up with the workload due the 400,00 plus staff signing on,so its on big waiting game once again,and what happens all your bills are now in arrears,and you prob be on payment plans for months to clear the backlog,
But if people were just given what they are entitled to,and I don't just mean the unemployed I'm talking across the board, it would get the wheels turning again.
people would pay bills,spend a little bit and you know maybe even live a bit.
All it would take would be for people to take a stand,bring this country to a stand still and let us the Irish have a say,
We are paying for it after all,
Have some balls people,don't let it be all talk and no action.:mad:

caseyann

mumu2010 wrote: »

Well I say fair play to this guy,he may have went to some extreme to make a point but at least he is willing to put his ass on the line for his rights.
Unlike the rest of us who just talk about how annoyed we are.
I do not think its right to just sit around and say we hate the government blah di blah,I think its time people started shouting about what they want,equality for a start.
I mean how many people actually turned out to the protests in dublin/galway today,
The french are in uproar over the retirement age being raised,what do they do,put the country at a standstill,
The spanish are unhappy about rights in the transport industry,what do they do,put trains,planes and automobiles at a standstill.
The Irish are unhappy with the way country is being run,what do we do,a big fat nothing!!!

I was watching Vincent Browne last night and they were going through the papers,
Government creating 300,000 jobs in next five years, IDA creating 62,000 jobs

Have any of you unemployed people out there ever logged onto FAS first thing in morn with your cup of coffee-(if your lucky enough)and seen any full time jobs created,these jobs should have been created two years ago not in the next five years
I mean where is the logic in advertising jobs for 10 hours per week on a temp basis,its absolutely crazy.The government always have to be ten steps ahead and ours is ten behind.

I'm sure many of you were shocked to hear and see the state of Brian Cowen on his bender in the media-or were you?
Whilst many of us were lying in bed worrying about how the mortgage/rent was going to be paid or how santa was going to be paid for,he was having a sing song-downing pints,prob at our expense.

I just wish that the Irish people would have the Balls to stand up for their rights rather than sit back and just take what you are given,

How many of you have had to go to the dreaded social welfare office,(for many prob the first time in your life) only to be told you might get your claim but there is a waiting list of at least 3 months,
or sorry but your stamos are out by one week,
You may have applied for the back to school allowance only to be told sorry you earn €5 over the limit you are not getting the claim.

It's like every door you open it just closes in your face and the next and the next and before you know it the only thing you are opening is red letters,

Our lives is like one big game of dominos I think, you don't get what you are entitled to,you do not pay rent/mortgage, gas, elec, your shopping needs decrease, no telly licence, so all these companies start to feel the pinch, disconnecting peoples electris and why beacuse a recession hits worldwide and what does this country do makes cuts
therefore there are not enough admin staff to keep up with the workload due the 400,00 plus staff signing on,so its on big waiting game once again,and what happens all your bills are now in arrears,and you prob be on payment plans for months to clear the backlog,
But if people were just given what they are entitled to,and I don't just mean the unemployed I'm talking across the board, it would get the wheels turning again.
people would pay bills,spend a little bit and you know maybe even live a bit.
All it would take would be for people to take a stand,bring this country to a stand still and let us the Irish have a say,
We are paying for it after all,
Have some balls people,don't let it be all talk and no action.:mad:

It should be really started in each area(someone who is orgainsed).Bring the groups together and then all meet at certain points and make way into the Dáil.

seamus

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Why do we need to borrow €40bn for Anglo in the first place.

Because Anglo's debt is now Ireland's debt.

If we default on Anglo's debt, then we as a country default.

mumu2010

I agree,but this needs to be a countrywide protest not just the major cities,I mean we are being trampled on by people know better than us the only difference is they have access to our (the taxpayers) money!!

caseyann

I dont know if anyone saw this yet,it was used before lol

Drumpot

What we only lack is a leader to lead the plight of the little man.

The little man represents a majority of the people of this country, yet they are the ones with the quietest voice.

Nobody trusts any of the parties whose only interest is votes for themselves.

Nobody trusts the Unions because they hide behind their struggling members when all they want to do is improve the standards of their existing members which includes protecting the overpaid.

We need an inspirational speaker to galvanise the people . .

maynooth_rules

seamus wrote: »

Because Anglo's debt is now Ireland's debt.

If we default on Anglo's debt, then we as a country default.

How could a private banks debt be a countries debt though. if Anglo were not included in the bank guarantee and folded, what exactly would have happened? Might be a silly question but I dont really understand

caseyann

Drumpot wrote: »

What we only lack is a leader to lead the plight of the little man.

The little man represents a majority of the people of this country, yet they are the ones with the quietest voice.

Nobody trusts any of the parties whose only interest is votes for themselves.

Nobody trusts the Unions because they hide behind their struggling members when all they want to do is improve the standards of their existing members which includes protecting the overpaid.

We need an inspirational speaker to galvanise the people . .

Pity we dont have a Micheal Collins

Drumpot

caseyann wrote: »

Pity we dont have a Micheal Collins

I will be your Collin's . .

paulaa

djpbarry wrote: »

There’s nothing wrong with a protest so long as it has a rational reason behind it. Protesting for the sake of protesting is however, completely pointless and counter-productive.
Nor did I, but that’s democracy.

So is protesting. It doesn't matter whether you or I think it is a productive protest or not, the man has a right to do what he thinks is right and it seems he has a lot of support