Dealer selling a car twice?

bryaner

The dealer is obviously a 2 bit spineless fcuk, his day will come..

AndyWhite

Got a phone call from the dealer today. He's gone bust. I guess thats what happens with dodgey business practice.

mickdw

AndyWhite wrote: »

Got a phone call from the dealer today. He's gone bust. I guess thats what happens with dodgey business practice.

Why did he ring you to tell you this?

brownej

AndyWhite wrote: »

Got a phone call from the dealer today. He's gone bust. I guess thats what happens with dodgey business practice.

Did you get your deposit back?
Has the cheque cleared?

-Chris-

AndyWhite wrote: »

Got a phone call from the dealer today. He's gone bust. I guess thats what happens with dodgey business practice.

Or maybe he found out he was on his last legs and therefore couldn't take a trade-in and sold that car to another trader for instant cash.

Maybe he saved you from the hassle of buying a car that would have subsequently had no back-up service in the event that anything went wrong with it.

Are you sure it was dodgy business practice? I was until I found out this additional piece of information, now I'm not so sure.

I'm also glad you didn't "name and shame".

AndyWhite

He rang to say that I could collect my deposit from the manager of the commercial park he operates out of. I said that I hadnt decided yet, if I waas just going to take my deposit back or if I was going to pursue it further and he said "Well I'm not there anymore. I've gone bust, all my cars are gone". I just said "Grand, bye!" and hung up.

AndyWhite

-Chris- wrote: »

Or maybe he found out he was on his last legs and therefore couldn't take a trade-in and sold that car to another trader for instant cash.

Maybe he saved you from the hassle of buying a car that would have subsequently had no back-up service in the event that anything went wrong with it.

Are you sure it was dodgy business practice? I was until I found out this additional piece of information, now I'm not so sure.

I'm also glad you didn't "name and shame".

I'm absolutely positive it was down to dodgey practice now from what I've heard about the guy since all this happened. The amount of people who, on hearing his name called him a cowboy is unbelievable. I'm glad I didnt end up in a deal with him but in spite of that, I still really wish I got that car.

I have no doubt in my mind though that he sold it on for quick cash instead.

-Chris-

AndyWhite wrote: »

He rang to say that I could collect my deposit from the manager of the commercial park he operates out of. I said that I hadnt decided yet, if I waas just going to take my deposit back or if I was going to pursue it further and he said "Well I'm not there anymore. I've gone bust, all my cars are gone". I just said "Grand, bye!" and hung up.

I've no idea what you're talking about anymore. What are you intending to do?

He's giving you your deposit back without question. What are you going to sue him for?

You "lost" the opportunity to buy the car you liked. He lost his business.

Move on, and to a certain extent, grow up.

mickdw

Im surprised that he is offering the deposit back in these circumstances.
It all sounds very odd. If he was bust his cheque will possibly be worthless too.
Sounds like a lucky escape for sure

jaffa20

What are you expecting to get out of this op? Especially if he has gone bust and without any proof whatsoever apart from hearsay.

Just get your deposit back before it's gone.

danjo

I think it is wrong to conclude that this dealer is dodgy. If he was, why would he return the deposit?
If he liquidated the dealership then you would be simply a creditor and most like an unsecured one at that. In such circumstance he could walk away and you would get nothing.
I would give him the benefit of the doubt and think he may have had your best interest at heart. I think you should be grateful and move on.

johnos1984

johnos1984 wrote: »

TBH I don't see what you case is.

He is giving you the money back and rang to tell you this.

I think its just something you should walk away from for two reasons:

• Maybe he is telling the truth
  
• Maybe he is very hard up for cash and needed to sell it for a few quid more in case he isn't there next week.

Get your money, walk away and don't look back

Also don't listen to everyone who tells you they would sue if they were in your shoes as they never are in them

EDIT: I understand you can sue for breach of contract but hardly worth it

OP, lucky escape

I think the dealer is actually more honest than you are giving him credit for.

He could of taken your money and said join the queue of creditors if the business went under.

In fairness it would of taken a while to prep the car for delivery and you would of gotten nothing had you entered the deal and chose not to collect until today.

I've always given the dealer a week to properly service and prep the car for delivery.

AndyWhite

Now that its gone bust, Im not going to try to do anything. I'm not going to broadcast other stories that I've heard about this guy from people I know and trust because I didnt witness them first hand, but I know myself anyway.

-Chris- You asked if i was sure it was dodgey practice. I answered you. Thats what I was on about there.

Jaffa20 I've already said this. I HAVE got proof that he entered a contract. He broke this contract. That would have been grounds to sue him had I chosen to.

If I posted up on this what I know for fact, as well as what other people have told me about this guy thats giving me these conclusions, I'd be given out to for it, so im not even going to try.

jaffa20

AndyWhite wrote: »

Jaffa20 I've already said this. I HAVE got proof that he entered a contract. He broke this contract. That would have been grounds to sue him had I chosen to.

Yes he entered the contract with you and there was problems with car so wouldn't sell it to you and sent it to his mechanic. That's what he told you so that was his grounds for breaking the contract. Unless you could prove that he was fibbing, then there's no case really apart from the return of the deposit. It would cost you more to sue him.

He could have sold you the car and it could now be a money pitt with no comeback as the dealer has gone bust.

I'd be happy with the situation if i was you and just take the deposit and run!

AndyWhite

What you said there is not correct but I'm really not going to bother going into it any more.

rabbitinlights

Just to confrim have you got the deposit back? Has the Cheque cleared or was it cash.

S.

AndyWhite

No, I havent gotten it back yet. I havent had time to get down there while the place is open and I dont know when I will have time.

Abelloid

AndyWhite wrote: »

No, I havent gotten it back yet. I havent had time to get down there while the place is open and I dont know when I will have time.

Why do I get the feeling you might not get it back now...?

You could have gone down there and got your deposit back instead of talking/listening to sh!te on here about suing him and all that.

VinnyTGM

AndyWhite wrote: »

No, I havent gotten it back yet. I havent had time to get down there while the place is open and I dont know when I will have time.

You must have a lot of money, sure whats a few hundred euro in these times :rolleyes:

obviously not worth getting off the chair for an hour to get it.

AndyWhite

Im in college full time mid week, working weekends. Its not just a matter of getting up out of a chair.

Bigus

BTW

How much deposit did you give on the car €20 €30 €50 €100 or €500 ?

VinnyTGM

AndyWhite wrote: »

Im in college full time mid week, working weekends. Its not just a matter of getting up out of a chair.

All I'm saying is if you leave it too long, when you go to collect it, it might have been "misplaced".

Sofiztikated

Have you any, and I mean ANY proof that he sold the car twice? All I've read is hearsay.

You had a contract, yes. I'll agree to that. But you said youself that it would come with a new NCT. He rang you to say it wouldn't pass the NCT. Thats his get out clause.

Now he's gone bust, apparently, and you don't have time to go and get your deposit back? I know if it was me, and a place was offering me my deposit back after them closing, I'd be down fairly sharpish to make sure I didn't be on the losing end. As stated, you could just be put on the unsecured creditor list.

Its a bit **** you didn't get the car you are after, but thems the breaks.

Stop itching for a day in court. Its helping noone here.

AndyWhite

The car not passing the NCT is not a get out clause. Its a condition that he must fulfill in the terms of the contract. He broke the contract. And he TOLD me that he sold the car to someone else.

Ive already said that I'm not going to bother trying to take him to court so please stop trying to tell me not to!

Would people please read previous posts before passing a comment!

Anan1

AndyWhite wrote: »

The car not passing the NCT is not a get out clause. Its a condition that he must fulfill in the terms of the contract. He broke the contract. And he TOLD me that he sold the car to someone else.

Ive already said that I'm not going to bother trying to take him to court so please stop trying to tell me not to!

Would people please read previous posts before passing a comment!

I'd advise you to collect that deposit ASAP. If you can't make it down yourself then have a friend/relative do it for you.

Vertakill

AndyWhite wrote: »

He rang to say that I could collect my deposit from the manager of the commercial park he operates out of. I said that I hadnt decided yet, if I waas just going to take my deposit back or if I was going to pursue it further and he said "Well I'm not there anymore. I've gone bust, all my cars are gone". I just said "Grand, bye!" and hung up.

The guy was being very, very nice to you here despite his circumstances because I'm sure if he wanted to, he could keep it and there'd be little or nothing you could do about it considering your plight is with a now defunct business.
And if he knew about all the things you were accusing him of here, he probably would keep it and I wouldn't even blame him.

I wouldn't expect this offer to last long either.

AndyWhite wrote: »

I'm absolutely positive it was down to dodgey practice now from what I've heard about the guy since all this happened. The amount of people who, on hearing his name called him a cowboy is unbelievable. I'm glad I didnt end up in a deal with him but in spite of that, I still really wish I got that car.

I have no doubt in my mind though that he sold it on for quick cash instead.

The poor ba$tard was struggling to stay above water where every deal may have been crucial to the survival of his company.
He got a better offer from someone else and he went with it.

Please, you who is obviously of a much higher moral standing than the rest of us, tell me that you wouldn't have done the same if it were your business that was about to go bust?

AndyWhite

No, I wouldn't have done the same thing. If anyone is going to run a business, they should do it properly. There is a reason there are laws about this thing. I don't claim to be of higher moral standing than anyone. I'm saying what's legal and whats not! simple as that.

-Chris-

And how would you have prepped the car for your customer if your business was running (or had already run) out of money?
How would you have honoured the warranty seeing as the way it's set up is the first few weeks of warranty are covered by the dealer before the third-party warranty company takes over?
What would you have done with the trade-in?
When the customer called you saying "why didn't you tell me you were closing, who the hell's going to look after the rattle I found, you're a dodgy dealer", what would you have said?

AndyWhite

Well I wouldn't have stopped the customer from having the car checked out. I would have told him the full situation, that the warranty may not be covered if the company shut down and if he still wanted to go through with the sale, then fine.
If no deposit had already been taken and I knew this was coming, theres not much point in trying to sell the car. Especially when it had been agreed that the sale would take a few weeks.
He broke the contract. He shouldn't have entered a contract in the first place if it couldn't be kept up. I don't really get how I'm getting given out to here. I said a fair few posts ago that I was going to drop this and theres still people following me up on it!

Vertakill

AndyWhite wrote: »

No, I wouldn't have done the same thing. If anyone is going to run a business, they should do it properly. There is a reason there are laws about this thing. I don't claim to be of higher moral standing than anyone. I'm saying what's legal and whats not! simple as that.

So you would have knowingly taken a trade-in over getting cash in hand, whilst you're business was barely staying afloat ...?

As far as businesses go, you have to stay in business to actually be a business.

It would've made absolutely no sense for him to take your car off you and only get a small amount of cash for his own car... and then being in the same predicament trying to sell your trade-in to the next person... all the while the banks are probably ringing him looking for money.

That on top of what Chris said above, where he would never be able to honour any warranty and you'd have absolutely no comeback.

The guy saved you a LOT of hassle and had the courtesy to even offer you your deposit back.

If you weren't trading in a car, you wouldn't have this problem, but if a guy is struggling to stay afloat, the last thing he wants is another car on his lot.

AndyWhite

Vertakill wrote: »

So you would have knowingly taken a trade-in over getting cash in hand, whilst you're business was barely staying afloat ...?

As far as businesses go, you have to stay in business to actually be a business.

It would've made absolutely no sense for him to take your car off you and only get a small amount of cash for his own car... and then being in the same predicament trying to sell your trade-in to the next person... all the while the banks are probably ringing him looking for money.

That on top of what Chris said above, where he would never be able to honour any warranty and you'd have absolutely no comeback.

The guy saved you a LOT of hassle and had the courtesy to even offer you your deposit back.

If you weren't trading in a car, you wouldn't have this problem, but if a guy is struggling to stay afloat, the last thing he wants is another car on his lot.

Ok, I'm actually going to have to stop replying to these shortly.

He should not have entered the contract in the first place if he could not honour it!

If it didn't make sense to take a trade in, he shouldn't have made the deal in the first place! This is what I said in my last post Vertakill.

Anan1

AndyWhite wrote: »

He should not have entered the contract in the first place if he could not honour it!

If it didn't make sense to take a trade in, he shouldn't have made the deal in the first place! This is what I said in my last post Vertakill.

How much time elapsed between your doing the deal and the dealer pulling out?

Jimmy Bottlehead

Talk about ungrateful... y'know, when you disagree with one person, you MIGHT be right. When a whole forum disagrees with you, you should probably accept you're wrong.

You had a lucky break a lot of people aren't lucky enough to get, so go and source another car. It's not that hard unless it's a bloody rare one.

Anan1

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

Talk about ungrateful... y'know, when you disagree with one person, you MIGHT be right. When a whole forum disagrees with you, you should probably accept you're wrong.

Actually, that makes no sense. Opinions are best based on reason, rather than slavishly following the herd.

mickdw

I think you will continue to be chased here OP until you go down there and get your deposit. What part of this situation do you not understand - Its a business gone bust, he has offered you your cash back which in my opinion is an extreme stroke of luck as really you could just be a number at the bottom of a long list of creditors yet you are in no hurry to collect it. VERY foolish. Any gripe you have is with the company and given the state of affairs, thats a lost cause so go get your cash if its still there.

AndyWhite

Ok, as I said, I am not pursuing this! The difficulty with getting my deposit was not having time when the place was open! nothing to do with not wanting it back! I happened to have a lab cancelled in college today so I did collect it.

mickdw

AndyWhite wrote: »

I happened to have a lab cancelled in college today so I did collect it.

Result. Off you go car shopping again.
Case closed.:D

johnos1984

AndyWhite wrote: »

Ok, as I said, I am not pursuing this! The difficulty with getting my deposit was not having time when the place was open! nothing to do with not wanting it back! I happened to have a lab cancelled in college today so I did collect it.

I'm glad you got the deposit back, you were very lucky and I hope this puts an end to the issue for everyone

The dealership is gone so no point in telling the OP not to pursue it as he really can't do so anyway as by the time larger creditors have settled there will be nothing left for him.

Lucky escape OP weather you realise this now or not

Esel

Thank Jebus! IBTL.

Jimmy Bottlehead

Anan1 wrote: »

Actually, that makes no sense. Opinions are best based on reason, rather than slavishly following the herd.

Yes, and the overwhelming opinion on this board (influenced by reason, instead of vengence as per the OP) pointed to being grateful. Makes perfect sense.

AndyWhite

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

Yes, and the overwhelming opinion on this board (influenced by reason, instead of vengence as per the OP) pointed to being grateful. Makes perfect sense.

As I already said, it was not down to vengance at all. The whole discussion is finished. No need to bring it up again. Also, you didnt read the thread properly if thats the conclusion you've come to on my motive, so dont make comments about the "overwhelming opinion of the board".

AndyWhite

Any chance a mod could lock this? or is there a way i can do it?

Bigus

go on, go on go on,go on.....:Dtell us how much was the deposit € 20 ?
i bet:pac:

-Chris-

AndyWhite wrote: »

Any chance a mod could lock this? or is there a way i can do it?

Done.

The thread's only chasing its tail at this point anyway.