Armed Revolt, Coup d'état Would you support it?

Tchaikovsky

Coup d'etats were the standard procedure in South America in the 1970s when previously thriving economies nosedived.
Needless to say, it didn't fix things.

southsiderosie

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

Coup d'etats were the standard procedure in South America in the 1970s when previously thriving economies nosedived.
Needless to say, it didn't fix things.

1970s? Have you read the news this week?

Tchaikovsky

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

Coup d'etats were the standard procedure in South America in the 1970s when previously thriving economies nosedived.
Needless to say, it didn't fix things.

Sad fact is that in many cases it was because the governments became completely corrupt before the coup, plus a bit of cold war skullduggery mixed in.

At least in Ireland we only have the first part of that to worry about, in other words there is no outside influance driving the desire to rise up!

southsiderosie

southsiderosie wrote: »

1970s? Have you read the news this week?

Without the outside help, it didn't get very far.

southsiderosie

Deleted User wrote: »

Without the outside help, it didn't get very far.

And in Ireland's case, the US Government Chamber of Commerce is backing the Irish government. Not that the Irish are showing any signs of resistance or anything...but if you did they would CRRRRUSH YOU LIKE BUG!!! issue a strongly worded statement.

KeithAFC

With the state of the economy in the republic, don't you think a protest with over 100 thousand people will cost a lot of money for people to traval to it etc when they could be spending that money on putting food on the table?

southsiderosie

KeithAFC wrote: »

With the state of the economy in the republic, don't you think a protest with over 100 thousand people will cost a lot of money for people to traval to it etc when they could be spending that money on putting food on the table?

A quarter of the population lives in the Greater Dublin area. It's also a small island, and isn't that expensive to get around. It really shoudln't be that hard to scrounge up enough people to do a mass protest.

KeithAFC

southsiderosie wrote: »

A quarter of the population lives in the Greater Dublin area. It's also a small island, and isn't that expensive to get around. It really shoudln't be that hard to scrounge up enough people to do a mass protest.

Yeah but christmas is coming up also. Not being funny or trying to make the situation sound really bad but surely people are more interested in just saving what ever money they can?

southsiderosie

KeithAFC wrote: »

Yeah but christmas is coming up also. Not being funny or trying to make the situation sound really bad but surely people are more interested in just saving what ever money they can?

Honestly, if people (or at least a critical mass of people) can't spare or scrounge up 25 quid to come to Dublin and protest the government's policies, then they can't really complain. FFS, that's one night at the pub. If people are truly hard up, then they can stage simultaneous protests in their towns or whatever.

If you live in the area, there is really no excuse unless you actually have to be at work.

southsiderosie

southsiderosie wrote: »

A quarter of the population lives in the Greater Dublin area. It's also a small island, and isn't that expensive to get around. It really shoudln't be that hard to scrounge up enough people to do a mass protest.

The fall of the Warsaw pact started in Gdansk and all the participants were local, and then spread around Poland.

If there is really a serious groundswell against the TPTB then it will start in one place and spontaneously fire up in all the other towns.

An uprising in one place can be contained (1916 anyone) but one that spreads all over the country can't.

Jeboa Safari

southsiderosie wrote: »

Honestly, if people (or at least a critical mass of people) can't spare or scrounge up 25 quid to come to Dublin and protest the government's policies, then they can't really complain. FFS, that's one night at the pub. If people are truly hard up, then they can stage simultaneous protests in their towns or whatever.

If you live in the area, there is really no excuse unless you actually have to be at work.

Would also have to do with the fact that they'd be missing work too I'd imagine

AudreyHepburn

Violence and putting people's lives at risk solves nothing.

Surely with this country's history, especially up North, we can see that.

We'll be respected and listened to better if we protest peacefully IMO.

fontanalis

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Violence and putting people's lives at risk solves nothing.

Surely with this country's history, especially up North, we can see that.

We'll be respected and listened to better if we protest peacefully IMO.

Exactly, and a good protest fronted by soem one with cop on and alternatives not some bunch of pseudo socialists who think everything gets paid for with a pot of gold.

norrie rugger

fontanalis wrote: »

Exactly, and a good protest fronted by soem one with cop on and alternatives not some bunch of pseudo socialists who think everything gets paid for with a pot of gold.

Any major protests in Ireland will be highjacked by "anarchists" and scum looking for a fight.

RobbieTheRobber

norrie rugger wrote: »

Any major protests in Ireland will be highjacked by "anarchists" and scum looking for a fight.

Or worse the socialist workers party which I think is a slightly ironic name because i dont believe any of them actually work.

mickydoomsux

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Or worse the socialist workers party which I think is a slightly ironic name because i dont believe any of them actually work.

Does being a rent-a-mob count as a job?

Joeface

wow some amount of reply s to this.

Coup D'etat ..it would never work , were in the sh!t and will before a while .
And doing that would prob cause more harm that good in the long run.

So solutions are need ... Terror of sorts. The treat of violence might be more than enough . Large number of ppl going to the local TD and Elected reps when they are local offices (paid for by you) not sure they can hire enough body guards to defend them in there offices. IM pretty sure if the treat is big enough they might actually start to listen. say 500+ppl at a time out side there offices .
The all have web sites listing where they will be. Start by picking a day and all start turning up ..........im open to other Ideas but getting them by a gun just means the next guy can do that too you.

I'm like the OP , my family chose violence in the beginning when we decide to bring an empire to its Knees (< i like describing it that way) but you give up something personal doing that and if we do it now economic mass suicide is all it will be

Krusader

We want the 2nd Republic!

Tá an dara Poblacht uainn!

parker kent

Can't believe people are actually seriously discusing this.

cypharius

We could just start holding protests that aren't organized two days in advance and stop holding them on weekdays when people have **** to do.

That might work.

bournedelta1

You have my vote on overthrowing the government.

On a side note, i'd rather be ruled by Germans than a corrupt political party.
Ireland is still quite lucrative for Multinational companies. A German occupation would cover all levels of improving society and they would invest properly to build up the country. At least they would overhaul the political system and all departments.

After the IMF bailout we'll be owned by them anyway....for the next 100 years or longer.

"Everyone has to play a part...The students had a go and took it to the streets (it failed though), i'm not sure if the majority of the celtic-boomers will go out a and voice their opinion, most of us are pushovers and too spoilt"

charlemont

Its a bit late now, but i would support one...

andrewire

I don't support such a measure. I actually think it is irresponsible to call for armed protests. Usually, the people who die --inevitable-- are innocent citizens. We are in such a terrible state that the last thing we need is an armed conflict. However, what we really need --responsible politicians-- seems not to exist in this country.

judestynes

Paddy Samurai wrote: »

Stinicker.......................you got any guns?.

You don't need guns for a successful revolt, just courage and resolve. Lot's of people have raised to point about whom to replace the government with. No one says we have to replace them, I believe they could be competent and honest if they had the incentive to do so. As things stand, they've no reason to be either. If the Irish people are just going to deferr to who ever is in control and for the most part remain to be politicly illiterate. It's upto each and every citizen to familiarise themselves with the constituition and endeavour to understand it to the best of their abilities. That should begin in school at secondary level. This is the bueaty of a constituition, it can be changed as the times demand and these times demand radical changes to it.

Gary4279

Don't know if this has been mentioned, but the Irish Army are a lot more skillful than most think. Would your army be able to dodge stinger missile systems and have marks men trained to international standards. and even if you we're somehow to build an army the irish army ranger wing are among the best in the world. (ran rings around the navy seals when the american docked here before iraq. the american asked them to test security on their boats, the rangers got on and off an american naval battle ship under lockdown, left birthday cards through out without the american even knowing they had arrived) so my point is, go have your rebellion, the state can do without your gene pool.

mloc

Remind me again what a revolt would achieve?

A government that isn't internationally recognised? No international support whatsoever? The type of people who go the armed revolt route (most of them having voted in the current government anyway) generally aren't the kind of people who are capable of running a country. It's beyond stupid. Get involved politically.

When will people start realising that is what a democracy is about? Typical stupid Irish response; deny responsibility and then get rowdy when things don't suit them. The country has some growing up to do.

desaparecidos

mloc wrote: »

Get involved politically.
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Buhahaha, that's even more ludicrous than the idea of an armed revolt.

mloc

desaparecidos wrote: »

Buhahaha, that's even more ludicrous than the idea of an armed revolt.

So you're saying that most Irish people can't handle a working democracy, and are better suited to just violence?

Figures.

fulhamfanincork

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzduPzb5pd4 eminem - mosh.

after listening to this just say the word and i'll be ready for protest

Holybejaysus

desaparecidos wrote: »

Buhahaha, that's even more ludicrous than the idea of an armed revolt.

No, this is how people who have evolved beyond the 6 year old school yard mentality behave in the real world.