Armed Revolt, Coup d'état Would you support it?

md23040

The irony of Dom Perignon being replaced by Molotov Cocktails seems really interesting.

Something does need to be done though and the faster the better.

Is there a Facebook campaign that people can at least register a protest.

southsiderosie

md23040 wrote: »

The irony of Dom Perignon being replaced by Molotov Cocktails seems really interesting.

Something does need to be done though and the faster the better.

Is there a Facebook campaign that people can at least register a protest.

Sigh.

twinytwo

md23040 wrote: »

The irony of Dom Perignon being replaced by Molotov Cocktails seems really interesting.

Something does need to be done though and the faster the better.

Is there a Facebook campaign that people can at least register a protest.

to be fair facebook will achieve nothing. Mark my words nothing will change until the current lot are burnt out and the people take back the power.

EarlERizer

md23040 wrote: »

The irony of Dom Perignon being replaced by Molotov Cocktails seems really interesting.

Something does need to be done though and the faster the better.

Is there a Facebook campaign that people can at least register a protest.

Only started to read this thread this evening, i said I'd read all and try take it in before deciding on wheter to add to or reply to anything/one specific.....I wondered how far it would go before someone unwittingly offered up a suggestion that would point the searchlight on the reason why the general populas have not ,will not,dare not take up anything in terms of a protest be it peaceful or voilent ........ unless it can be done from the comfort of home and doesnt interupt their time online.

I'm ashamed of my government,my fellow Irish and of myself for the sorry state we find ourselves in today, our history has thought us nothing,we bleat over drinks at anything that irks us but when called to get onboard with an alternative we scurry away mumbling "ah sure i was only saying" ....we've lost our way, we've been mislead,we've allowed ourselves to be, they threw us crumbs when all we ever were used to was dust,we got drunk on false wealth and here we are nursing the mother of all hangovers and still we'd drink from the poison chalice if we're offered a refill.....WAKE THE FOOK UP IRELAND.....we bang on about 800 yrs of oppression,the struggle,the wars,the fight,the invaders,the this the that the other....we have learnt nothing,from our nearest neighbours,be it positive or negative,having seen how the British Gov treated its electorate during the dark 80's and how they took to the streets en masse in protest at the treat they faced,yes the mines still closed,the mills ceased,mass unemployment ensued,but the people acted,then they voted,they tried a change of direction,they gave it a go,they thought "we have to do/try something atleast" ....what do we do?? we wiat for someone else to start the ball rolling (me included - like i said, i'm ashamed of myself) .....I'll tell ya something i've noticed in my time spent between here and there .....they have spirit,they have sense,the have pride n they have dignity in facing adversity (economically speaking) .... times are hard everywhere i dont think theres a country who escaped the downturn, I think the UK held a stronger position keeping it's sterling (which contradicts the whole Euro policy yet they remain integral to the EU), it's so refreshing to go into any one of the many supermarket chains,local shops,takeways,garages etc etc and be met with real prices,real reductions,real value for money shopping aimed at stimulating the economy by encouraging Joe Public to keep spending ...what do we do? we raise prices on everything and have that fat faced buffoon tell us we have to start spending the pittance we have (personally unemployment benefit at the mo since been made redundant earlier this year) ....and when people try to save a few pennies (sorry "cents" for the europhiles) they just go n hike the prices further,raise the taxes,invent new taxes,levy's,anything to dig their grubby mits deeper into our emptying pockets , and we stand idly by and let them .......I say it again WAKE THE FOOK UP ......the so called fanciful writings of conspiracists are laughed at as over active minds .....well i tell ya , wont we all look right proper fools when some are proved true? ..... read 1984 (for non readers-watch the film) .....and in the meantime have a listen to this and see if it strikes a chord.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMBZDwf9dok

or for the more musically influenced ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV79eNJfrgY

.........I'll be on YT if anything kicks off could someone come by and give me a shout? I want to get involve in the revolution but i'm not doing it on my own!!! ....ok , back to my shame!

fontanalis

twinytwo wrote: »

to be fair facebook will achieve nothing. Mark my words nothing will change until the current lot are burnt out and the people take back the power.

When was the power taken from the people?
These kind of posts are full of meaningless nonsense. T
he people who made the crap decsisons were voted in repeatedly, it's not some conspiracy to subvert democracy in Ireland but a culmination of what irish politics has been about all the time. When did Ireland ever have good representation?

Micky Dolenz

No

EarlERizer

For the record, I dont support the idea of a violent coup so I voted no to the OP but if the people really came together,i'm talking mass walkouts from work,all of us now on the dole,young n old,real proper organised protest I'd walk from Cork to Donegal to support it!....maybe this upcoming budget will be the last straw, maybe now they're left with no other option but to start really hitting the rich for some money,maybe then we'll see stronger moves for change,but will they really bite the hands that feed? jaysus the bank bailouts tell us that,here we are in a week where a man is jailed for failing to pay 240 euro relating to his car (overturned after been highlighted in the media) yet Fingleton,Fitzpatrick and those that profited along with them walk the streets unpunished for their crimes,crimes that have us now facing a 50 BILLION debt ,the former having awarding himself a 27 million pension and regular bonuses....I accept that we need banks we need a banking system and we have to save an ailing banking system but surely to jaysus we cant seriously sustain a 50 billion debt in order to do so? As i said earlier I'm struggling through unemployment with the redundancy package more or less dedicated to mortgage payments each month trying to buy time untill i'm back in the workforce,but i'm now thinking why am i bothering? wouldnt i be better off just cutting my losses and giving the house to the banks,and succumbing to a life on social welfare housing and payments....a defeatest attitude i know.....i'm just very very very disillusioned with the whole state of affairs!.....sorry for my ramblings....but not the sentiment!! :mad:

Overheal

Armed yes; bloodless yes.

EarlERizer

Overheal wrote: »

Armed yes; bloodless yes.

Spud guns? Rotten Eggs? Rotten Veg? or just wave empty guns at them n shout "duur duur duur duuur duuur ah not fair I shot you ,you have to lie down"

I've yet to read of an armed struggle that was bloodless


We need change brought by other means not resorting to armed struggle unless of course we were to come under armed attack from them first!

fontanalis

EarlERizer wrote: »

For the record, I dont support the idea of a violent coup so I voted no to the OP but if the people really came together,i'm talking mass walkouts from work,all of us now on the dole,young n old,real proper organised protest I'd walk from Cork to Donegal to support it!....maybe this upcoming budget will be the last straw, maybe now they're left with no other option but to start really hitting the rich for some money,maybe then we'll see stronger moves for change,but will they really bite the hands that feed? jaysus the bank bailouts tell us that,here we are in a week where a man is jailed for failing to pay 240 euro relating to his car (overturned after been highlighted in the media) yet Fingleton,Fitzpatrick and those that profited along with them walk the streets unpunished for their crimes,crimes that have us now facing a 50 BILLION debt ,the former having awarding himself a 27 million pension and regular bonuses....I accept that we need banks we need a banking system and we have to save an ailing banking system but surely to jaysus we cant seriously sustain a 50 billion debt in order to do so? As i said earlier I'm struggling through unemployment with the redundancy package more or less dedicated to mortgage payments each month trying to buy time untill i'm back in the workforce,but i'm now thinking why am i bothering? wouldnt i be better off just cutting my losses and giving the house to the banks,and succumbing to a life on social welfare housing and payments....a defeatest attitude i know.....i'm just very very very disillusioned with the whole state of affairs!.....sorry for my ramblings....but not the sentiment!! :mad:

Very over simplistic, plus there are a lot of people who don't pay income tax in Ireland.

EarlERizer

Simplistic,maybe,but maybe thats all this sorry mess needs,some simplistic thinking,the gap between classes is forever widening but because of parties need for rich backers (the elite) they'll never be made feel the pinch like the lower classes.This is not a democracy we live in , democracy is just a word,it doesnt work,fact is countries are run by the elite and their money,money buys power,so untill a band of rich communists take power and distribute the weatlh or debt equally we'll forever be in this position, communism,what a great ideal,it's only problem,it relies on people in order to work and as we can see money & power changes people.........ah i'm ramblin now, up on my soapbox having sipped one to many glasses.....I'll ramble no more, save to say I've no faith in the current regime but i dont see a credible alternative in any of the opposition camps and i think thats the reason those in power today remain,the alternatives dont look like they can do any better so we just have to sit tight ride it out and let them keep slinging their mud safe in the knowledge they'll never have to get us out of the mess.....I blame the doomsday prophets ...they promised the world would end a few years back !! jaysus can nobody get it right?

As Howard Beale (coulda) said "I don't have to tell you things are bad. Everybody knows things are bad. It's a depression. Everybody's out of work or scared of losing their job. The euro buys a cent's work, banks are going bust, shopkeepers keep a gun under the counter. Politicians are running wild in the dail,criminals rule the street and there's nobody anywhere who seems to know what to do, and there's no end to it. We know the air is unfit to breathe and our food is unfit to eat, and our government are unfit to govern ,and we sit watching our TV's while some local newscaster tells us that today we had fifteen hundred job losses,15 homicides and sixty-three violent crimes, as if that's the way it's supposed to be. We know things are bad - worse than bad. They're crazy. It's like everything everywhere is going crazy, so we don't go out anymore. We sit in the house, and slowly the world we are living in is getting smaller, and all we say is, 'Please, at least leave us alone in our living rooms. Let me have my toaster and my TV and my few drinks and I won't say anything. Just leave us alone.' Well, I'm not gonna leave you alone. I want you to get mad! I want you to protest. I don't want you to riot - I don't want you to write to your representative because I wouldn't know what to tell you to write. I don't know what to do about the depression and the inflation and the government and the crime in the street. All I know is that first you've got to get mad. You've got to say, 'I'm a HUMAN BEING, Goddamnit! My life has VALUE!' So I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window. Open it, and stick your head out, and yell
'I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!' I want you to get up right now, sit up, go to your windows, open them and stick your head out and yell - 'I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Things have got to change. But first, you've gotta get mad!... You've got to say, 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Then we'll figure out what to do about the depression and the inflation and the oil crisis. But first get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it
"I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!"

I'm going back to listening to some music and dreaming of winning the lotto.

dvpower

There are 115 people so far who support an armed revolt against the government and are happy to electronically record the fact on an internet forum.

The rising is doomed.

ejmaztec

dvpower wrote: »

There are 115 people so far who support an armed revolt against the government and are happy to electronically record the fact on an internet forum.

The rising is doomed.

The other 4 million are buying guns from Argos.

LukeQuietus

EarlERizer wrote: »

This is not a democracy we live in , democracy is just a word,it doesnt work,fact is countries are run by the elite and their money,money buys power,so untill a band of rich communists take power and distribute the weatlh or debt equally we'll forever be in this position, communism,what a great ideal,it's only problem,it relies on people in order to work and as we can see money & power changes people

I've said for year Anarchism/Communism (the right mix of both) is actually alot better than people think. People have been brainwashed to fixate on the bad points of communism 'i.e. the dictators who've taken advantage of it in the past. The good points are many if people bothered to look for it themselves and stop listening to the one-sided story history books tell us.

Marx said: "In communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic."

Anarchy is:
"A social state in which there is no governing person or group of people, but each individual has absolute liberty (without the implication of disorder), but is bound by a social code."
"Absence of government; a state of lawlessness due to the absence or inefficiency of the supreme power; political disorder."
"Acting without waiting for instructions or official permission... The root of anarchism is the single impulse to do it yourself: everything else follows from this."

southsiderosie

LukeQuietus wrote: »

I've said for year Anarchism/Communism (the right mix of both) is actually alot better than people think. People have been brainwashed to fixate on the bad points of communism 'i.e. the dictators who've taken advantage of it in the past. The good points are many if people bothered to look for it themselves and stop listening to the one-sided story history books tell us.

Marx said: "In communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic."

Anarchy is:
"A social state in which there is no governing person or group of people, but each individual has absolute liberty (without the implication of disorder), but is bound by a social code."
"Absence of government; a state of lawlessness due to the absence or inefficiency of the supreme power; political disorder."
"Acting without waiting for instructions or official permission... The root of anarchism is the single impulse to do it yourself: everything else follows from this."

So taken together, you are suggesting that Ireland would be better off returning to a clan system of hunter-gatherer-warrior priests where people are left to make a go of it on their own?

Based on the current economic data, you may get what you wish sooner than you think...

ILA

Yes, on condition that it had Socialist/Left Wing objectives. Generally most people seem to be far too conservative/reactionary in this country and so if it's a headbanging Right Wing coup to put the Blueshirt Party in, then I'd actually join the forces of the State in preventing it.

Victory to the Working Class!

foxinsox

Just a few questions...

If you take out Fianna Fail and harshly punish them..

Who runs the country?

Do you have an alternative government?

Do you suggest military rule?

I agree that the country is in a mess, but in fairness we need a solution or an alternative..

Storming in to Leinster House with all guns blazing is not my idea of a solution.

What if you don't own a gun?

If you can't arm your family does that mean you don't get to eat?

Is it survival of the fittest?

Is it every man for themselves?

What about the Constitution?
Do we just make up a new one?
I thought a lot of work and lives went into the first one.

You can't possibly suggest a Coup d'etat unless you have some sort of plan for running the country.

Phill Ewinn

........and ask questions later.

dvpower

ILA wrote: »

Yes, on condition that it had Socialist/Left Wing objectives. Generally most people seem to be far too conservative/reactionary in this country and so if it's a headbanging Right Wing coup to put the Blueshirt Party in, then I'd actually join the forces of the State in preventing it.

You can't get much more reactionary than armed revolt.

ILA wrote: »

Victory to the Working Class!

Does this actually mean anything?

EarlERizer

foxinsox wrote: »

Just a few questions...

If you take out Fianna Fail and harshly punish them..

Who runs the country?

Do you have an alternative government?

Do you suggest military rule?

I agree that the country is in a mess, but in fairness we need a solution or an alternative..

Storming in to Leinster House with all guns blazing is not my idea of a solution.

What if you don't own a gun?

If you can't arm your family does that mean you don't get to eat?

Is it survival of the fittest?

Is it every man for themselves?

What about the Constitution?
Do we just make up a new one?
I thought a lot of work and lives went into the first one.

You can't possibly suggest a Coup d'etat unless you have some sort of plan for running the country.

Most if not all of your points have come up at some stage throughout this thread, have a read through all 16 pages .

I like this one...
What about the Constitution?
Do we just make up a new one?
I thought a lot of work and lives went into the first one.

Alot of work & lives did go into the constitution,however the current regime seem to have forgotten this themselves,weren't we practically frog marched back to the polling booths on the Lisbon treaty? a treaty they didnt "fully understand" themselves.Our unelected leader and his bunch of cohorts saw fit to cattle prod us down a road they hadn't a clue to where it was leading ... or did they?

We're hardly going to come up with a solution on a forum, the opposition parties cant even give us a convincing enough spin to rally us all in a call for change...and quite frankily none of them seem up to the job anyway.

:mad:

Overheal

EarlERizer wrote: »

Spud guns? Rotten Eggs? Rotten Veg? or just wave empty guns at them n shout "duur duur duur duuur duuur ah not fair I shot you ,you have to lie down"

I've yet to read of an armed struggle that was bloodless


We need change brought by other means not resorting to armed struggle unless of course we were to come under armed attack from them first!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_revolution

Contrary to what you have read: it happens. Though, if you want to keep things simple, guns aren't all that necessary. All that is required though are people that are prepared to revolt, and overthrow the established government.

th3 s1aught3r

Yeah I remember that, "Vote Lisbon, for Jobs"

mikemac

As for armed revolt?
Not everyone has a family, friend or neighbour in the Defence forces but a lot will know of somebody.
No way would I be taking on the PDF, they are all trained professionals doing their job. Probably as sickened as everyone else but they follow orders.

I couldn't bring myself to attack a barracks, the serving soldiers are the very same as us. Nobody views them as an enemy but they would put this down with force

So OP, are you planning to get the defense forces onside first?

dvpower

Stinicker wrote: »

The time has long since passed for action against Fianna Fail which has taken one of the best performing economies in the World and put us on a par with a debt ridden 3rd world country.

For 800 long years we fought British Rule, this government has overseen the greatest robbery of wealth from the working and middle classes since the Plantations of Ireland under the British Crown.

Fianna Fail has committed Treason against the people and must be removed from office and punished harshly. They cannot be allowed to get away with this. If Ireland was under British rule today and this was happening we would more than happy to rebel and fight for our rights. We must fight these Traitors and get them out when the system of checks and balances in our democracy and constitution have failed to protect the country from the level of economic pillage.

My family before me fought for our freedom and died in the process and seeing what is happening now I would be prepared to put my life on the line and fight to remove these treasonous criminals from office. I can't emigrate and any hopes of becoming successful in life have been destroyed by these criminals and Ireland is now in the same place as we were under British occupation.

Ireland needs you,

Are you man enough?

I'll take Boland's mills; you take the GPO.

EarlERizer

The only revolution we need is propaganda!! convince enough people to it's message and change will come into effect .....wheter it is for the good would remain to be seen.

I'm wondering would a coalition of all parties be an option a cabinet made up of all parties removing the mud slinging,slanging matches that go on and serve no purpose but to pass time.Would they all be honest enough to admit the current situation is getting us nowhere and as individual parties none are capable of turning it around, A serious attempt to bring everyone together for the greater good of the country.....to idealistic huh?

LukeQuietus

I'd be up for an organized protest at Leinster House. If we can't even get 50,000 people to show up to a theoretical protest than I doubt we'll ever see change. I do still think the last 2 years have shown protests are completely ignored by the government. Unless the working people strike the government can and do simply ignore it and it goes away. And what are we really protesting. We're all pissed off but we're all pissed off about different things. Some people are mad about losing their jobs. Others about losing their homes. Some are just mad. Mad at the lies and farce that is the Dail. It might aswel be a discussion group for all the work that gets done there.

The government we have, have failed repeatedly and gotten away with it. The opposition like to tell us this but have backed away from taking power in previous elections because they don't want the trouble. They get paid well to stand up for 20 mins a day and shout abuse at Fianna Fail. Why would they want to swap places.

I think what I'm trying to say is I'd protest before going to arms...but I'd gladly revolt for true change. But taking up arms would just end up in civilians fighting the police and the army while the government and opposition continue the pointless bickering unabated. And before the EU would allow the government be overthrown they'd get involved.

Unless you can take the fight directly to the politicians it would cause too much pain to the innocent people. And directly attacking the governemt stops being a coup and starts being terrorism quite easily. Might aswel have the IRA come back down here and start bombing Dublin.

vanla sighs

When the very nature and foundations of the State are at risk then yes I believe we all have a right, a duty to resist. We are being sold out by our own government, we are being betrayed to the internationl financial markets by our own government. The government have turned against the people. The government do not have the best interests of the people at heart. The government no longer represent the people.

We either continue like the blind donkeys we're fast becoming or we take a stand, we reclaim our country and tell them no, enough is enough. We'll sit on our asses complaining but when push comes to shove we cower in fear of raising our heads above the parapet. We've become a nation of cowards bowing before those in control be they bankers, the government or the financial markets "let's keep quiet and they might go away and leave us lone....." is our attitude. Pathetic.

Yes, sacrifices have to made, cuts have to made, painful decisions have to be taken but the current government in power is not capable. It is making the wrong decisions and punishing the wrong people. The State quite literally stands at the abyss, do we go head first into it or do we at least attempt to resist? There is another way, it does not have to go the way it looks like it's going to go but unless we stand up and take action it will be too late and while those who will have put us in that situation will be retired or retiring to god only knows where with their big fat State pensions it is the people, the ordinary people, who will be left to pick up the pieces and we could be doing that for many, many decades to come. We will be on our knees for decades.

We do nothing and that is exactly what will happen, we do something and we have a chance.

The quickest way to destroy the current regime (governments ruled over by banksters) would be to simply stop borrowing money, if enough prople stopped usnig credit cards, taking out car loans etc, the whole system would collapse very quickly - or should I say quicker than it is already collapsing.

1st of November could be an interesting day.

fontanalis

An armed coup would be hilarious, probably end up with a lot of splitters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_qHP7VaZE

Nah! it will be more like this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nPIokYZmNY