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Aggressive women on nights out.

  • 01-10-2010 5:01pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,847 ✭✭✭


    Just wondering has anyone else noticed how agressive some women seem to have gotten in Ireland lately?

    I was out on the town last night and ended up in a club. The place was packed. But anyway every girl that walked past me seemed to feel the need to elbow me in the side or shove me in the back if I was blocking her way at all rather than saying excuse me. It literally happened with about 20 different women :confused: I've always been used to men being aggressive arseholes on nights out but they're generally less gung ho about it as they know they could well get a punch back. Its only in the last few months thought that I've noticed how nasty and rude some women can be with the pushing and shoving. Is it because women think no man will retaliate if they shove them?? Maybe it's just me thought :pac:

    Just interested in everyones thoughts.



    Just realised I spelt aggressive wrong in the header, ah well !


Comments

  • Registered Users Posts: 146 ✭✭wexfordia


    Are you sure they are doing it deliberately ? Perhaps with all the alcohol consumed they don't realise it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,939 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    the aggressiveness that i came across was when i was talking to a girl for a while, and then when i was going to the bar, i asked 'so do you want a drink'?
    she went nuts and said "how can you ask that? you should say 'may i'" and then i got a punch in the arm for my troubles.

    so that went well!


  • Registered Users Posts: 146 ✭✭wexfordia


    the aggressiveness that i came across was when i was talking to a girl for a while, and then when i was going to the bar, i asked 'so do you want a drink'?
    she went nuts and said "how can you ask that? you should say 'may i'" and then i got a punch in the arm for my troubles.

    so that went well!

    It could have been worse ballsymchugh...she might have hit you in the family jewels :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,385 ✭✭✭✭D'Agger


    the aggressiveness that i came across was when i was talking to a girl for a while, and then when i was going to the bar, i asked 'so do you want a drink'?
    she went nuts and said "how can you ask that? you should say 'may i'" and then i got a punch in the arm for my troubles.

    so that went well!


    Buying a woman a drink? Are you 17 per chance??

    That said, you should've given her an elbow to the temple - self defence an all that :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,939 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    PaulieC wrote: »
    Buying a woman a drink? Are you 17 per chance??

    That said, you should've given her an elbow to the temple - self defence an all that :pac:

    nope!
    i did it out of politeness actually, she wasn't a looker in any sense of the word. so she had everything going for her!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,385 ✭✭✭✭D'Agger


    nope!
    i did it out of politeness actually, she wasn't a looker in any sense of the word. so she had everything going for her!

    Fair enough

    As a rule of thumb I'll only buy drink for women who're my mates or I'm going out with - and their friends out of politeness.

    working in a club twas hilarious seeing fellas buying women drink - spending a fortune, then watching her walk out the door with some handsome fella who nipped in for the steal when she was well oiled.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,925 ✭✭✭Otis Driftwood


    On the occasions this has happened to me its invariably being a young - 20ish - girl,caked in slap and totally rubbered,I dont frequent bars that these creatures go to so its rarely an issue.I have though turned around before and reprimanded them for being that ignorant.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 959 ✭✭✭changes


    Accidently spill some of your guinness on her dress if she pushed hard enough next time:D

    People in general are getting much ruder and more impatient imo, its clear on our roads, nights out, queues etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,952 ✭✭✭magneticimpulse


    Just wondering has anyone else noticed how agressive some women seem to have gotten in Ireland lately?

    I was out on the town last night and ended up in a club. The place was packed. But anyway every girl that walked past me seemed to feel the need to elbow me in the side or shove me in the back if I was blocking her way at all rather than saying excuse me. It literally happened with about 20 different women :confused: I've always been used to men being aggressive arseholes on nights out but they're generally less gung ho about it as they know they could well get a punch back. Its only in the last few months thought that I've noticed how nasty and rude some women can be with the pushing and shoving. Is it because women think no man will retaliate if they shove them?? Maybe it's just me thought :pac:

    Just interested in everyones thoughts.



    Just realised I spelt aggressive wrong in the header, ah well !

    they must be French


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Fukuyama


    Yaeh. Was in the Acadamy last Tuesday for Example. Was Jammers yet some girls thought it was fine to just barge their way around, usually in gaggeling groups and use their elbows to smash you in the back.

    ****ing bitches...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭The Agogo


    Some young one absolutely cracked her face off my elbow wakling past me....then tried to pin it on me! I was only taking a sup of my pint (which didn't spill a drop!)

    Another time, my button got caught in someone's handbag. She just yanked the bag to free herself and broke my button clean off in the process! ****ing biitch!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭Flojo


    PaulieC wrote: »
    Buying a woman a drink? Are you 17 per chance??

    What's wrong with offering to buy someone a drink if you're getting on well? I'd offer a to buy a guy a drink if I liked him.

    I ended up going to Karma in Galway the other night and it was torture, only lasted 20minutes before we fecked off back to The Roisin. Too many young screaming girls that were nearly kicking you out of the way. The guys were pretty rough aswell shoving past you.
    I think it's mainly an age + alchohal thing. A lot of people that go to those kind of nightclubs in their late teens or early twenties I found are just plain rude. Not all of them of course but the majority.
    I'm 23 so I'm aloud diss my age group :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,385 ✭✭✭✭D'Agger


    Flojo wrote: »
    What's wrong with offering to buy someone a drink if you're getting on well? I'd offer a to buy a guy a drink if I liked him.


    I responded to the op with why I said this above - never said there was something wrong with it - wann buy somebody a drink go right ahead - my point was, from experience working in bars - alot of fellas are made fools of by women, buying them drink


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,939 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    i was out last night, and was trying to walk through a pretty busy bar and some girl in front of me thought she could easily do the dance through the bar to shyte music dance. her elbows knocked the drink i was carrying and spilt a bit on her. then she turned around and started complaining. should've punched her in the stomach. pre-emptive strike to what wexfordia said could happen!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,579 ✭✭✭BopNiblets


    I don't think I have this problem, I'm 6'2" so if any girl tried to push me out of the way she'd just hit impenetrable muscle and bounce back. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,939 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    height makes no difference my friend, i'm 6ft, and my default look is just grumpy apparently. judging by the amount of people that tell me to cheer up when i'm feeling just fine anyway!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭Herbal Deity


    I find that shít people often congregate at shít, commercial club nights, therefore I avoid them.

    In any typical nightclub, there are annoying, self important, aggressive and very drunk people of both sexes.

    This isn't a recent thing either, so no, I would not say that women have gotten like this lately.

    I love clubbing, but massive clubs which are packed with students, culchies etc. on the weekend, and who play nothing but the same, commercial songs week in week out I avoid like the plague.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    BopNiblets wrote: »
    I don't think I have this problem, I'm 6'2" so if any girl tried to push me out of the way she'd just hit impenetrable muscle and bounce back. :D

    Just watch out for the small ones... they'll get you in the nuts! :eek:


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    I find that shít people often congregate at shít, commercial club nights, therefore I avoid them.

    In any typical nightclub, there are annoying, self important, aggressive and very drunk people of both sexes.

    This isn't a recent thing either, so no, I would not say that women have gotten like this lately.

    I love clubbing, but massive clubs which are packed with students, culchies etc. on the weekend, and who play nothing but the same, commercial songs week in week out I avoid like the plague.

    Bingo bongo right there. My most regular club night which i attend is the !K club in The Sweeny roughly every second Thursday night. Run by sound heads, frequented by sound heads and playing music i like.

    Why go to a hole you don't like when the city if full of options?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭Conor_M1990


    I find that shít people often congregate at shít, commercial club nights, therefore I avoid them.

    In any typical nightclub, there are annoying, self important, aggressive and very drunk people of both sexes.

    This isn't a recent thing either, so no, I would not say that women have gotten like this lately.

    I love clubbing, but massive clubs which are packed with students, culchies etc. on the weekend, and who play nothing but the same, commercial songs week in week out I avoid like the plague.

    Yea but in most Towns in Ireland the only club is the commerical club I was in Karma on Saturday night in Athlone and my god Ive never been in a club filled with so many cnuts pure rude like who push you outta your way to get by you and there was the older crowd in there.



    But nobody has manners anymore I hate the way people dont say thank you or hold a door anymore cost nothing to be nice


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  • Registered Users Posts: 235 ✭✭jayzusb.christ


    But nobody has manners anymore I hate the way people dont say thank you or hold a door anymore cost nothing to be nice

    I agree totally; manners cost nothing. In fact I'm going to start a new thread about it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭Tchaikovsky


    But nobody has manners anymore I hate the way people dont say thank you or hold a door anymore cost nothing to be nice
    From my own personal experience that isn't the case; people always hold the door for others and when I do it, the person says thanks. This gesture isn't common in the rest of Europe, either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭jugger0


    Not so much pushing but the last night i was out, as i was walking by some girl with my drink she slurped some of my pint:eek: right out of my hand....


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,247 ✭✭✭Maguined


    Maybe she liked you? did you talk to her about it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,584 ✭✭✭TouchingVirus


    jugger0 wrote: »
    Not so much pushing but the last night i was out, as i was walking by some girl with my drink she slurped some of my pint:eek: right out of my hand....

    If ever there was a way into a conversation and perhaps something more that was it....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    That's a horrible way to come onto someone!

    drink-thief.jpg


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭donfers


    lads, it's not just barging their way around the club, they get away with absolute murder on a night out...when I say "they" I am not referring to all women, just the "professional night-club woman", who basically has a shoite job and lives for her night out, prepares all day for it, loads of make-up and fake tan, maybe hair extensions, accessorised to the max...you know the type, they are everywhere if you frequent the larger more commerical mainstream clubs....anyway apart from barging their way around the club, they generally do other stuff too that I don't approve of like

    A) skipping the queue, either sweet-talking the bouncers or sweet-talking some clueless gob****e who lets them step in alongside himself in the queue, the clown thinks he is in as they chat away happily with him in the queue only to ditch him as soon as they get in

    B) going to the bar to get drinks: they'll barge in ahead of people who have been waiting, batting the eyelids etc and of course the barman will be taken in by the cleavage and go to her first (see A)

    C) they get guys to hand their coats/handbags in for them (see A)

    D) they actively seek out a guy to pay for their drinks (see A)

    E) if they make a move on you and you don't respond you are either "gay" or they invent something to the bouncers to get you thrown out (has happened to me)

    F) they often get in for free or a discount by flirting with bouncers/owner/person on till

    G) they'll try to scrounge taxi and food out of you too, you of course will have to queue up and pay for food and taxi while they sit around giggling somewhere or examing their nails or making loud drunken screams about the most inane stuff imaginable


    ..the worst part is if if you object to any of this stuff then you are the badguy, oh and you won't generally get your end away either


    conclusion: stick to the indie underground places, far more interesting people there and the stuff I mentioned (A-G) doesn't tend to happen there


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭jugger0


    Maguined wrote: »
    Maybe she liked you? did you talk to her about it?

    hmmmm really didnt think about that, cant remember what i said to her wasnt too impressed with her at the time, thought it was a bit weird!
    If ever there was a way into a conversation and perhaps something more that was it....

    God dammit...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,925 ✭✭✭Otis Driftwood


    In fairness,most of the above only happens if its allowed to happen.If a bloke is that big of a sap to buy drinks/look after bags/pay for taxis in a vein attempt to get lucky then they deserve it.Maybe its that Im older now that I pass no remarks on the shenanigans of some sections of society.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭Chaotic_Forces


    Some drunken and I do mean drunken bitch on the dance floor, slipped. My mate picked her back up by the wrist and the shoulder. She punches him, then he asks "what the fu*k are you doing, I was just getting you on your feet".

    Her loving response was... a kick to the stomach followed by me elbowing the... "female" in the jaw and telling the nice lady to keep away otherwise she'll get another for her trouble.

    Funny thing is, her friend couldn't have been more apologetic. Hell, even the bouncer said "nice shot" when I left the floor.
    The funny thing is... nobody did anything or said anything negative to me over it. So much for women being little innocent girls, eh? :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭Chaotic_Forces


    donfers wrote: »
    A) skipping the queue, either sweet-talking the bouncers or sweet-talking some clueless gob****e who lets them step in alongside himself in the queue, the clown thinks he is in as they chat away happily with him in the queue only to ditch him as soon as they get in

    B) going to the bar to get drinks: they'll barge in ahead of people who have been waiting, batting the eyelids etc and of course the barman will be taken in by the cleavage and go to her first (see A)

    E) if they make a move on you and you don't respond you are either "gay" or they invent something to the bouncers to get you thrown out (has happened to me)

    F) they often get in for free or a discount by flirting with bouncers/owner/person on till

    Nothing like the local then! :D
    Basically the only girls that get "special" treatment is either "regulars" or if something happened (like a fella being a bit too... touchy) with them. Other than that it's fair game. If they hit a bloke they either get hauled out or get hit back.

    Although I've had the thing of "HE STOLE ME BLEEDIN' MONEY!"
    and the nice barmaids reply was "that's my boyfriend, do you want to be thrown out". Of course I wasn't her boyfriend but it was funny.
    I know the people that you're on about but if you don't treat them that way, they'll soon leave and you cdan have a good night.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,787 ✭✭✭g5fd6ow0hseima


    I remember back in 1st year of college, a girl says to my mate at the bar 'will you buy me a drink'. He replies 'grand, what do ya want' and she says whichever, to which he replied 'sound, give me the money so'.

    Watching her walk off was brilliant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    nedtheshed wrote: »
    In fairness,most of the above only happens if its allowed to happen.If a bloke is that big of a sap to buy drinks/look after bags/pay for taxis in a vein attempt to get lucky then they deserve it.

    So... you actively condone the swindling of the less intelligent of society? :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,925 ✭✭✭Otis Driftwood


    Galvasean wrote: »
    So... you actively condone the swindling of the less intelligent of society? :P
    Damn right,if I could find a woman silly enough to buy me drinks you better believe Im ordering a double vodka.:pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭Chaotic_Forces


    nedtheshed wrote: »
    Damn right,if I could find a woman silly enough to buy me drinks you better believe Im ordering a double vodka.:pac:

    Jaysus! That's horrible! :mad:

    At least get a triple Jack and Coke FFS! Just because the woman is odering doesn't mean you have to be a gentleman! :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    nedtheshed wrote: »
    Damn right,if I could find a woman silly enough to buy me drinks you better believe Im ordering a double vodka gonna marry her!:pac:

    FYP for me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,029 ✭✭✭um7y1h83ge06nx


    I remember back in 1st year of college, a girl says to my mate at the bar 'will you buy me a drink'. He replies 'grand, what do ya want' and she says whichever, to which he replied 'sound, give me the money so'.

    Watching her walk off was brilliant.

    Bit crude this, but years ago I was in Galways for the Races.

    We got chatting to some girls in the queue into Boo Radley's.

    As soon as we go in the door one of the girls asked (demanded) me to buy her a drink.

    I was after a few beers so I just came out and said "Grand, but you have to do something for first". "What?" she says. "Give me a BJ" says I.

    Seemed like a fair trade at the time! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,602 ✭✭✭Funkfield


    the aggressiveness that i came across was when i was talking to a girl for a while, and then when i was going to the bar, i asked 'so do you want a drink'?
    she went nuts and said "how can you ask that? you should say 'may i'" and then i got a punch in the arm for my troubles.

    so that went well!

    When she started going nuts you should have said "Oh you must have misheard me. I said you look fat in that dress."

    :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    from a girls perspective, I think it should be half and half. As in yes Ive been bought a drink before from someone I met in a club, but afterwards when we were sitting down, and finished that drink, Id find out what his drink was and offer to get the next round. Seems fair in a way. As for taxi and food, thats terrible and really no guy should put up with that sort of crap.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 367 ✭✭Chewabacca


    Flojo wrote: »
    What's wrong with offering to buy someone a drink if you're getting on well? I'd offer a to buy a guy a drink if I liked him.

    I ended up going to Karma in Galway the other night and it was torture, only lasted 20minutes before we fecked off back to The Roisin. Too many young screaming girls that were nearly kicking you out of the way. The guys were pretty rough aswell shoving past you.
    I think it's mainly an age + alchohal thing. A lot of people that go to those kind of nightclubs in their late teens or early twenties I found are just plain rude. Not all of them of course but the majority.
    I'm 23 so I'm aloud diss my age group :pac:

    You made the grave mistake of going to Karma on a thursday. It's a serious first year night full of "woo" girls. Actually all clubs in galway are seriously "fresh" these days, weekdays are all first year students and saturdays are plagued by secondary school students for feck sake. I think that the rudest groups are kid's in their late teens and them gold diggers in their early 30's who think they're hot stuff because all the hammered idiots are all over them. I'm not generalizing now, I know girls in both these age groups who are in no way rude on nights out but some of them are just horrible. The worst people to be around IMO.

    On a related note, when I was walking towards NUIG (I don't go there, on my way to meet my friends who study there) and on the footpath from the cathedral to the college I encountered the rudest people. Me and a friend were walking alongside one another. With a bit of budging 2 groups of 2 can easily pass by each other. The whole 100 or so yards I walked by loads of people and, literally, not a single person budged an inch. I had to walk behind my hand the whole way. It just annoyed me because it wasnt one or 2 people, id was around 30 and none of them even acknowledged our existence. I've become a student that hates students.

    Just last night a passing stranger called me a "spa". She was appauled when I turned to her and asked why I should value her opinion and basically called her a child. The worst thing is there's always a fresh faced guy in a stripey blue shirt to hop in and stick up for them to impress them. Worst kind of people, arrogant and rude. Rant over.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭Lantus


    The alcoholic underclass of society consuming vast amounts of gargle for hours on end where getting drunk is the end and drinking is the means. The normal rules of society just dont apply in these clubs. Here's an idea. Turn up to a club completely sober. It's an eye opener.

    Drinking in both Ireland and the UK is a health time bomb for the younger generation. I's start investing in livers now if I could, they will be like gold in about 10-20 years when every second drunk is looking for a spare one because they have destroyed their own.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,122 ✭✭✭✭Jimmy Bottlehead


    In my experience, I get a good kick out of girls and guys trying to barge past me and bouncing off. Being bigger than the average joe has it's benefits :)

    Also, on the few occasions a girl has been a bitch to me (thrown a drink over me, hit me or slapped me) she's gotten the same back, be it a drink over the head, a love tap to the arm or a wee light slap to the face. If they're big and bad enough to throw it, they're big and bad enough to take it.
    Lantus wrote: »
    The alcoholic underclass of society consuming vast amounts of gargle for hours on end where getting drunk is the end and drinking is the means. The normal rules of society just dont apply in these clubs. Here's an idea. Turn up to a club completely sober. It's an eye opener.

    Drinking in both Ireland and the UK is a health time bomb for the younger generation. I's start investing in livers now if I could, they will be like gold in about 10-20 years when every second drunk is looking for a spare one because they have destroyed their own.

    This may be part of it... I don't drink so it's much more obvious to me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,058 ✭✭✭✭Abi


    I know the kind of girls you're talking about, believe me. Snotty little cows like that make me laugh, and I actually feel sorry for them. But I'll have to say it does work both ways, some guys can be just as rude and very obnoxious. I blame most of it on drink tbh. It can make already self-obsessed people worse 10 fold.

    They aren't worth confronting, or spend anymore time thinking about tbph.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Odaise Gaelach


    nedtheshed wrote: »
    Maybe its that Im older now that I pass no remarks on the shenanigans of some sections of society.

    I think that's it. I'm only 23 and I went out for the night there last week, and there was quite a lot of shoving and elbowing. It got very irritating very quickly.

    But I didn't notice or mind it when I was 19 or 20. Must be getting old... :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 755 ✭✭✭Timistry


    donfers wrote: »
    lads, it's not just barging their way around the club, they get away with absolute murder on a night out...when I say "they" I am not referring to all women, just the "professional night-club woman", who basically has a shoite job and lives for her night out, prepares all day for it, loads of make-up and fake tan, maybe hair extensions, accessorised to the max...you know the type, they are everywhere if you frequent the larger more commerical mainstream clubs....anyway apart from barging their way around the club, they generally do other stuff too that I don't approve of like

    A) skipping the queue, either sweet-talking the bouncers or sweet-talking some clueless gob****e who lets them step in alongside himself in the queue, the clown thinks he is in as they chat away happily with him in the queue only to ditch him as soon as they get in

    B) going to the bar to get drinks: they'll barge in ahead of people who have been waiting, batting the eyelids etc and of course the barman will be taken in by the cleavage and go to her first (see A)

    C) they get guys to hand their coats/handbags in for them (see A)

    D) they actively seek out a guy to pay for their drinks (see A)

    E) if they make a move on you and you don't respond you are either "gay" or they invent something to the bouncers to get you thrown out (has happened to me)

    F) they often get in for free or a discount by flirting with bouncers/owner/person on till

    G) they'll try to scrounge taxi and food out of you too, you of course will have to queue up and pay for food and taxi while they sit around giggling somewhere or examing their nails or making loud drunken screams about the most inane stuff imaginable


    ..the worst part is if if you object to any of this stuff then you are the badguy, oh and you won't generally get your end away either


    conclusion: stick to the indie underground places, far more interesting people there and the stuff I mentioned (A-G) doesn't tend to happen there

    +1 All this ****e. And if you did score them, sure it would be rape or assault.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,385 ✭✭✭✭D'Agger


    I think that's it. I'm only 23 and I went out for the night there last week, and there was quite a lot of shoving and elbowing. It got very irritating very quickly.

    But I didn't notice or mind it when I was 19 or 20. Must be getting old... :)

    I'm gettin that alright at 22, never feel comfortable in nightclubs anymore, I end up just drinking and smoking to pass the time until my mates are ready to leave

    Of course suggesting going to a late bar where you can chill out, listen to decent music that isn't way too loud, sit down and enjoy your drink is out of the question...why you ask?

    Because skantily clad drunk women don't hang out in these places


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