College Student releases ****-list power-point

Millicent

Gunsfortoys wrote: »

Im sure you have plenty of harsh words about men as well. You have to see my point though, there is a serious double standard with men/women in relation to this type of thing.

Depends on the man... There is a double standard between the stud/slut too.

Nodin

It has the whiff of fakery about it to me.

angry_fox

8/10....... I'm happy enough with that

Dudess

wobzilla1 wrote: »

And they wonder why the rate of suicide among young males is so high

OMG yeah! Of course! It's so obvious - why are "they" wondering...?!

LZ5by5 wrote: »

You've no idea how much this kind of stuff can shatter a guy's confidence and send him to the depths of despair.

Of course, but this is one story and the OP makes that inflammatory remark - if the OP linked to a study which showed a largescale pattern of such behaviour, the comment might have some merit. Otherwise it's just drivel.

Gunsfortoys wrote: »

If it was a bloke that released this about women, the feminazis on here would be all over it.

Well the male equivalent of "feminazis" seem to be all over it, so I don't really see what your point is...

Caliden wrote: »

12 guys...wow what a slut :rolleyes:

12 girls... wow what a legend.

prinz wrote: »

You realise that not everyone wants details of the sex lives broadcast to the public, yes? Be it, transcripts and ratings or a live stream...

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68285098&postcount=46

Not a whole lot of difference IMO tbh. I see no reason why she wouldn't be held responsible if one of the guys committed suicide over this, when the pair in that other thread were. Double standards based on the sexuality of those involved perhaps? It's a disgusting thing to do to anyone.

It has been repeated a number of times that she didn't release it.

That said, generally speaking, I'm not a fan of people discussing any sexual performance shortcomings of their lover(s) with anyone, even close friends, tbh. Keeping it very vague, e.g. "I was once with a guy/girl who wasn't very good at whatever" maybe, but ensuring those who are in your company know who you're talking about... not on.
And I hate the acceptance in popular culture of belittling male sexual prowess/making specific demands of men - e.g. the Rihanna song Rude Boy, a Lily Allen song called Not Big (but before anyone says women aren't subject to such treatment, see: misogynistic rap).

Mrmoe

TheZohan wrote: »

Nah she's not a slut, but she does love the cock. I'd say if you shook her you'd have mickeys falling out of her 'til xmas.

She would make a perfect penis piñata, fun for all the family.

randylonghorn

Caliden wrote: »

12 guys...wow what a slut :rolleyes:

If they were all on the same night, maybe ...

Over the course of her time in an American college, I would be more inclined to use words like "active" or "lucky" ...

Gunsfortoys

Dudess wrote: »

Well the male equivalent of "feminazis" seem to be all over it, so I don't really see what your point is...

I was responding to the "so what" responses by some women. I reckon if the roles were reversed we would have a feminazi wave of condemnation. Ive seen you discard such male generalising of women on here for way less offensive items. So please, save me the "I dont know what your talking about" rabble.

D'Agger

Definately could've been more creative with the presentation imo

I mean who uses plain backgrounds thesedays

stovelid

If it was a lad's diary account of all the "skanky whores" that he'd fucked - graded on tit size and weight - you'd be high-fiving other imbeciles and not whining about female suicides.

I did puke in my mouth at the persistent use of the phrase 'hook-up' though.

WindSock

prinz wrote: »

You realise that not everyone wants details of the sex lives broadcast to the public, yes? Be it, transcripts and ratings or a live stream...

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68285098&postcount=46

Not a whole lot of difference IMO tbh. I see no reason why she wouldn't be held responsible if one of the guys committed suicide over this, when the pair in that other thread were. Double standards based on the sexuality of those involved perhaps? It's a disgusting thing to do to anyone.

There is a whole lot of difference. One was filmed and released on the net intentionally, the other was leaked on the net unintentionally, although I agree it was crass and silly to keep a diary like that in the first place. The gender and sexuality of any of the parties has feck all to do with it.

WindSock

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Sweet. :pac:

Out of 100 :P

Johro

wobzilla1 wrote: »

And they wonder why the rate of suicide among young males is so high
http://jezebel.com/5652114/college-girls-power-point-****-list-goes-viral-gallery

I think your use of the term 'skanky whore' is a whole lot more objectionable.

sponsoredwalk

Gunsfortoys wrote: »

If it was a bloke that released this about women, the feminazis on here would be all over it.

But I bet they'd secretly want to be on that hitlist right? :rolleyes::D

sponsoredwalk

prinz wrote: »

You realise that not everyone wants details of the sex lives broadcast to the public, yes? Be it, transcripts and ratings or a live stream...

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68285098&postcount=46

Not a whole lot of difference IMO tbh. I see no reason why she wouldn't be held responsible if one of the guys committed suicide over this, when the pair in that other thread were. Double standards based on the sexuality of those involved perhaps? It's a disgusting thing to do to anyone.

To be honest prinz, if you were right about this then it would literally be a
crime to keep a diary, lest we think a personal thought, for fear that
someone might find out what's in it and go and kill themself. Clearly the girl
didn't publish this on purpose, it was leaked. Totally different from some
ƒ'ing idiot filming his roommate because he wanted to catch him in the act
of kissing another guy for the "fun" of it and then show this off to the
world in an attempt at character assasination as well as invasion of privacy
- "yay" was the word the ƒucker used. The crime there was invasion of
privacy & publicizing it at most...

I'd like to know why supermodels can sell stories of their sexual encounters
with football players to cheesy magazines but IF a girl publishes a sex
diary, non-madonna style, it's terrible

minidazzler

Ah well, if those guys had put in a better effort they would have scored better, their own fault! haha

up for anything

Maybe I'd better destroy my old diaries, especially the one with the list. I was keeping them till I was 95 so that my great grandchildren could read them to me to help remind me I was once a goer.

bronte

Woman has sex...it leaks to internet....woman is obviously slut and responsible for suicide somehow.

Got anything else you'd like to blame women for?

Seriously, this is getting fucking pathetic.

Skanky whore? I mean FFS! :rolleyes:

citytillidie

WindSock wrote: »

There is a whole lot of difference. One was filmed and released on the net intentionally, the other was leaked on the net unintentionally, although I agree it was crass and silly to keep a diary like that in the first place. The gender and sexuality of any of the parties has feck all to do with it.

She should not have emailed it to anybody then if she did not want it online. Once she emailed it to 3 friends she has no control over what happens. She wanted it online but did not want to be responsible for it going everywhere.

If she wanted to show her friends and remain in control of the powerpoint all she had to do was show it to them on her computer and not emailing it.

Handsome Bob

WindSock wrote: »

Out of 100 :P

Biatch.

Dudess wrote: »

Of course, but this is one story and the OP makes that inflammatory remark - if the OP linked to a study which showed a largescale pattern of such behaviour, the comment might have some merit. Otherwise it's just drivel.

I wasn't really referring to the OP's comment, moreso the actual article. I'm coming at it from the same angle as you i.e. belittling someone and going into such detail while doing it is absolutely not on. Bang out of order tbh. I'd say the same about bunch of frat boys belittling a fat woman or whatever.

It has been repeated a number of times that she didn't release it.

The fact that she didn't secure such information safely, away from such risks, is a damning indictment in itself. It would be like if I just left the information I picked up interviewing people with mental health problems just lying around: I would shoulder much of the blame for such information being leaked and rightfully so too. I have no sympathy for this woman whatsoever.

prinz

sponsoredwalk wrote: »

To be honest prinz, if you were right about this then it would literally be a
crime to keep a diary, lest we think a personal thought, for fear that
someone might find out what's in it and go and kill themself. Clearly the girl
didn't publish this on purpose, it was leaked....

"Leaked" by the people she had sent it on to, thereby making it public, yes? This is not a case of people finding her personal diary and making it public. She intentionally made her little edu-pack and sent it on to others. Her fault.

prinz

WindSock wrote: »

There is a whole lot of difference. One was filmed and released on the net intentionally, the other was leaked on the net unintentionally.....

As has been mentioned above, if I share confidential information, business related, personal info etc, with x number of friends and they deide to publicise that info, the blame comes back to me for the initial breach of trust. It's a lesson professionals are often taught, not to discuss sensitive information even with spouses etc.... because these things have a nasty habit of spreading beyond our control.

Logical Fallacy

Take home lesson, put in your best work every time gentlemen.

I personally am failing to see why so many people have sandy vag over this. It'll be forgotten about in a week.

laugh

I guess Duke is the place to bring my "impressive instrument".

kylith

The most I can say about this is that it's the most boring thing I have ever laid eyes on.

McChubbin

nudist wrote: »

A diary that kills off people whose names are written in it...:pac:

Got a... Light? </David Caruso>

prinz

McChubbin wrote: »

Got a... Light? </David Caruso>

:cool: YEAAAHHHHH.

MagicMarker

A powerpoint presentation?

Who. Does. That!?

That's fúcked up tbh. Cold... very cold.

minidazzler

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Take home lesson, put in your best work every time gentlemen.

I personally am failing to see why so many people have sandy vag over this. It'll be forgotten about in a week.

+1! The internet is a very fickle place, even Boxxy is mostly forgotten by now!

I wonder how many people here have read the Tucker Max stories and thought awesome, but a girl does similar and it's a criminal offence!

It's just sex lads, and she's not on about you.

Deus Ex Machina

wobzilla1 wrote: »

And they wonder why the rate of suicide among young males is so high
http://jezebel.com/5652114/college-girls-power-point-****-list-goes-viral-gallery

The suicide rate among young males is high because life is pointless, not because some rancid, airheaded harlot rates them on some apparently arbitrary scale.

Gummy Panda

I'd sue if I was one of the lads.

I don't know why people are saying she didn't release it cause she gave it to three friends. She still distributed personal information which could be defamation.

Millicent

Gummy Panda wrote: »

I'd sue if I was one of the lads.

I don't know why people are saying she didn't release it cause she gave it to three friends. She still distributed personal information which could be defamation.

Won't stick in the States. They could probably do her for emotional distress or something. And she shared it with three friends. I do that with my fiction for feedback regularly. It's a world away from releasing it.

Gummy Panda

Millicent wrote: »

It's a world away from releasing it.

I don't think it is. She distributed to three other people and didn't properly secure the information. She is still responsible.

Seosaimh77

Millicent wrote: »

Won't stick in the States. They could probably do her for emotional distress or something. And she shared it with three friends. I do that with my fiction for feedback regularly. It's a world away from releasing it.

Would it stick anywhere? It's a subjective scale based on her own personal likes/dislikes about sex. I wouldn't expect it would stick anyway

liah

Gummy Panda wrote: »

I'd sue if I was one of the lads.

I don't know why people are saying she didn't release it cause she gave it to three friends. She still distributed personal information which could be defamation.

That's ludicrous, I've talked about other people in a bad light in text (if they've wronged me) with friends before and it's got back to them, should I be done for defamation for telling my friends about a personal experience?

Just because it was written down doesn't mean she ever intended for it to get leaked; you don't know the relationship she may have had with those friends, she probably thought she could trust them and probably only sent it for a bit of a laugh.

I'm sure most of the guys here have discussed goings-on with the opposite sex with mates before in not-so-flattering terms. I see it all the time on Boards. I don't feel they should be done for defamation or emotional distress.

I agree writing it down in that particular format is a bit weird and a lot of the information could be hurtful to some men (and ego-boosting for others) but it doesn't mean she was at fault for it getting leaked. If that were the case then we should never say anything at all about anyone to our friends and keep everything to ourselves, "just in case," which is ridiculous.

Millicent

Gummy Panda wrote: »

I don't think it is. She distributed to three other people and didn't properly secure the information. She is still responsible.

But if a friend forwarded on my writing, and it was released on a wide scale, feasibly I'd have a case against them for stealing my intellectual property for their own distribution.

prinz

liah wrote: »

Just because it was written down doesn't mean she ever intended for it to get leaked; you don't know the relationship she may have had with those friends, she probably thought she could trust them and probably only sent it for a bit of a laugh.

There's two issues. Legally there's no real come-back. She didn't technically break any laws that I am aware of. Morally and technically speaking yes she is at fault for the 'leak'.

It would be like a doctor discussing a patient with his/her spouse, the spouse goes and tells 5 others and so on. Basically you are saying it's not the fault of the doctor. Actually it is. The doc may never have intended for the info to become widely known, but divulging the info at all to the spouse is the primary breach of trust. Intent doesn't really come into it in a case like this.

WindSock

citytillidie wrote: »

She should not have emailed it to anybody then if she did not want it online. Once she emailed it to 3 friends she has no control over what happens. She wanted it online but did not want to be responsible for it going everywhere.

If she wanted to show her friends and remain in control of the powerpoint all she had to do was show it to them on her computer and not emailing it.

She should not have, but did and it got out. Again, keyword here is INTENT.

Perhaps she has learned her lesson now that nothing is safe on electronic media.
Tbh, this getting out is clearly far more damaging to her than anyone on the presentation.

prinz wrote: »

As has been mentioned above, if I share confidential information, business related, personal info etc, with x number of friends and they deide to publicise that info, the blame comes back to me for the initial breach of trust. It's a lesson professionals are often taught, not to discuss sensitive information even with spouses etc.... because these things have a nasty habit of spreading beyond our control.

Yep, and you have the cop on and the training on a professional level to know this. This girl clearly has neither.
It is still uncompareable to the other issue as she did not intend to maliciously name and shame guys she was with over the net.
If anything, her 'friend' whom she showed the info to in confidence that leaked it should be getting the harrasment. She deliberately made it public.

Gummy Panda

liah wrote: »

That's ludicrous, I've talked about other people in a bad light in text (if they've wronged me) with friends before and it's got back to them, should I be done for defamation

She is still responsible.

In Ireland, the burden would be on her to prove her statements are not false and that she isn't trying to lower a person in the eyes of society.

Millicent

prinz wrote: »

There's two issues. Legally there's no real come-back. She didn't technically break any laws that I am aware of. Morally and technically speaking yes she is at fault for the 'leak'.

It would be like a doctor discussing a patient with his/her spouse, the spouse goes and tells 5 others and so on. Basically you are saying it's not the fault of the doctor. Actually it is. The doc may never have intended for the info to become widely known, but divulging the info at all to the spouse is the primary breach of trust. Intent doesn't really come into it in a case like this.

There is no expectation of confidentiality in sexual encounters though. You can't mandate what people discuss in these instances. She chose to discuss it (fairly bizarrely) via Powerpoint with her friends.

Handsome Bob

liah wrote: »

should I be done for defamation for telling my friends about a personal experience?

Upon graduating, the author decided to pass on the wisdom she had learned, in thesis format. The subject: "An education beyond the classroom: excelling in the realm of horizontal academics."

I'd love it if this mock thesis format she has used came back to biter her in the ass. Legally it's most likely impossible but I'd love it if one of those lads brought a successful case against her over being unwittingly coaxed into a research piece.

At the end of the day, even though it wasn't for educational insititution, this woman collected very personal data on those lads without their consent.

It's like a sex tape being released that you did not know you were taking part in, except it's in written format.

liah

prinz wrote: »

There's two issues. Legally there's no real come-back. She didn't technically break any laws that I am aware of. Morally and technically speaking yes she is at fault for the 'leak'.

It would be like a doctor discussing a patient with his/her spouse, the spouse goes and tells 5 others and so on. Basically you are saying it's not the fault of the doctor. Actually it is. The doc may never have intended for the info to become widely known, but divulging the info at all to the spouse is the primary breach of trust. Intent doesn't really come into it in a case like this.

Not quite the same thing.

The doctor is only held liable for his words because in his profession there exists a pre-existing confidentiality contract.

This list is a completely personal, non-professional thing. This is exactly like any male telling their mate about the chick they pulled last night and then the mate he told telling the chick. Exactly the same. And I guarantee you no one currently crying for this woman to be punished would consider a mate bragging about a chick he banged as "defamation." Yeah, it'd suck for the chick, but it just happens.

Or what about a photo? What if you showed an embarrassing photo of yourself to a few friends, for whatever reason, and they decided to turn it into an internet sensation? It's hardly your fault for thinking you can trust your friends. It's their fault for breeching your trust.

The only difference between this scenario and those ones is that it's written down. That's the only difference.

She expressed a personal opinion based on personal experiences with certain men and told her friends about it. Her friends then decided to release it to the entire world via the internet. Not her.

She's weird for writing it down, but she's definitely not responsible for spreading it to the internet.

If you want your argument to stand it only makes sense if your argument is also that nobody should ever mention anything potentially offensive about another person to another human being, ever. And human nature doesn't work like that, we're social animals, we share with people we trust.

PeterIanStaker

All I can say is - When's the movie of this with Megan Fox in it coming out?

prinz

liah wrote: »

If you want your argument to stand it only makes sense if your argument is also that nobody should ever mention anything potentially offensive about another person to another human being, ever. And human nature doesn't work like that, we're social animals, we share with people we trust.

Yes we do.... and life experience tells us what kind of things we should share and what kind of things we should not share, and teaches us that those we think we can trust aren't always that trustworthy. Life experience also teaches us that if we break someone's confidence in us they won't be too happy about it... regardless of how that trust is broken or to how many people.

I don't have a single friend who would discuss personal info of a gf or even a ONS with his friends, with regard to sexual preferences or acts peformed or anything of the kind. That's between you and the other person. It's a pathetic frat boy thing to do anyway.

Seosaimh77

Gummy Panda wrote: »

In Ireland, the burden would be on her to prove her statements are not false and that she isn't trying to lower a person in the eyes of society.

No she wouldn't. Most of it is a description of a personal experience of what she likes/dislikes. No problem with any of that.

The only remotely objective comments she made were regarding size - that is easily proved if all the lads get their, eh, lads out.:D

Logical Fallacy

Gummy Panda wrote: »

She is still responsible.

In Ireland, the burden would be on her to prove her statements are not false and that she isn't trying to lower a person in the eyes of society.

Why , because she said someone was a **** lay?

Come on.

sponsoredwalk

prinz wrote: »

There's two issues. Legally there's no real come-back. She didn't technically break any laws that I am aware of. Morally and technically speaking yes she is at fault for the 'leak'.

It would be like a doctor discussing a patient with his/her spouse, the spouse goes and tells 5 others and so on. Basically you are saying it's not the fault of the doctor. Actually it is. The doc may never have intended for the info to become widely known, but divulging the info at all to the spouse is the primary breach of trust. Intent doesn't really come into it in a case like this.

Haha Who knew it was immoral to have personal thoughts and to
share them with friends :rolleyes:

liah

prinz wrote: »

Yes we do.... and life experience tells us what kind of things we should share and what kind of things we should not share, and teaches us that those we think we can trust aren't always that trustworthy. Life experience also teaches us that if we break someone's confidence in us they won't be too happy about it... regardless of how that trust is broken or to how many people.

I don't have a single friend who would discuss personal info of a gf or even a ONS with his friends, with regard to sexual preferences or acts peformed or anything of the kind. That's between you and the other person. It's a pathetic frat boy thing to do anyway.

You're discussing morals, though. You don't know the life experiences she's had nor do you know the particular set of morals she subscribes to. She seems to have a very open view on sex and obviously has no problem discussing it with her friends in general if she was able to construct it in that form. Just because you feel it's wrong to discuss sexual experiences with your friends does not mean that your point of view is right or wrong, or that hers is right or wrong. Just means you obviously see things differently.

You don't have a single friend like that because people surround themselves with people who have similar viewpoints to themselves. Doesn't mean those people don't exist. I'm sure there's loads of people out there who have no problem discussing experiences.

Legally, though, she has done nothing wrong. If her sharing information with her friends is defamation then it seriously blurs some lines. Where does it stop? How do you define exactly what you can share and what you can't? It's not realistic.

Her friends breeched her trust by spreading it. She was responsible for writing it down, yes, but she was NOT responsible for them (the men) finding out about it and therefore shouldn't have any legal repercussions. Again, where do you draw the line on defamation, then?

sponsoredwalk

Sex being a fiendishly private moral issue, who's talking religion eh?

prinz

liah wrote: »

You're discussing morals, though. You don't know the life experiences she's had nor do you know the particular set of morals she subscribes to. She seems to have a very open view on sex and obviously has no problem discussing it with her friends in general if she was able to construct it in that form. Just because you feel it's wrong to discuss sexual experiences with your friends does not mean that your point of view is right or wrong, or that hers is right or wrong. Just means you obviously see things differently.

Is it morally wrong to murder someone? Or do we accept that other people have an open view on it? I presume you take the same stance when guys secretly tape girls and send the movie to 3 friends 'in confidence' do you?

liah wrote: »

Her friends breeched her trust by spreading it. She was responsible for writing it down, yes, but she was NOT responsible for them finding out about it....

She wrote up her little thesis, prepared it and distributed it. It spread out of her control and further than she may have intended yes, but that doesn't excuse her initial 'project' to discuss intimate details with others.

melekalikimaka

fair play... ifound it hilarious... i'd buy the book... hardback, not even softback