30 million spent on connecting the Royal Canal and the Shannon?

ilovebiology

This country gets worse and worse! 30 million has been spent on connecting the Royal Canal to the Shannon. Wouldn't you think there are better things 30 million could be spent on than connecting 2 f*cking rivers?

Min

The Royal canal is not a river.

It is restoring a facility that will help tourism, it was done over a long period of time.

Victor

One of them is a canal, not a river.

It does seem to bring tourism to the midlands.

ilovebiology

Min wrote: »

The Royal canal is not a river.

It is restoring a facility that will help tourism, it was done over a long period of time.

Ok, sorry a canal. Still 30 million at a time when the country is bankrupt. You said it has been done over a long period of time, well we have been in a recession for the past 2 years or so, and 30 million could have been spent alot more wisely in the current climate

Millicent

ilovebiology wrote: »

Ok, sorry a canal. Still 30 million at a time when the country is bankrupt. You said it has been done over a long period of time, well we have been in a recession for the past 2 years or so, and 30 million could have been spent alot more wisely in the current climate

So anything that was started before 2 years ago should be abandoned cos it'll cost money now? Really?

Joey the lips

http://www.jstor.org/pss/30101021

The Royal Canel.. by peter clarke...

A great read and proof that there is a fortune to be made in developing the canel...

mikemac

Some people knock everything

The Royal Canal is a great amenity and has opportunities for tourism all along the route.

Terry

This has been done over the past 15 years or so.
Calm down. This is a good thing.

Actually, if memory serves, there were barges dredging the water about 20 years ago.

Local county councils have covered the cost of this in the name of tourism.
It's not a scandal. It's something worthwhile.

There are fishing spots along the canal here in Kildare. Fish are regularly re-introduced to the waters, and it's all regulated.

That we can once again travel by boat from the West to the East is great for tourism.

Min

ilovebiology wrote: »

Ok, sorry a canal. Still 30 million at a time when the country is bankrupt. You said it has been done over a long period of time, well we have been in a recession for the past 2 years or so, and 30 million could have been spent alot more wisely in the current climate

I see what you are saying but the cost was spread over three decades, that is what I got from watching the report on the 9 o clock news.
It seems to work out at an average of €1 million a year was spent on it and they said a lot of voluntary help was also given.

I watched tourism programs and you see canal holidays being promoted elsewhere, we in Ireland now have some great facilities with the Royal canal now fully operational, one could go from Dublin to the Shannon and on upto the Erne waterway.
I just hope Bord Fáilte promotes it well now.

ilovebiology

Millicent wrote: »

So anything that was started before 2 years ago should be abandoned cos it'll cost money now? Really?

I think that since the recession hit the country 2 years ago or so, that money should be spent extremely wisely than spending money connecting a canal and the river Shannon. Something like that is NOT a priority for the country given the circumstances we are in for the past 2 years. If connecting the canal and the river started over 2 years ago, and when the recession hit, the project SHOULD have been stopped, and the remaining money spent on something useful for the country.
For example, if 10 million was spent 2 years ago on connecting the canal and the river, couldn't the remainder 20 million have bailed out many people with their mortages, or something else more useful than connecting a canal and a river. Its another ridiculous waste of money at a time like this

Overheal

ilovebiology wrote: »

This country gets worse and worse! 30 million has been spent on connecting the Royal Canal to the Shannon. Wouldn't you think there are better things 30 million could be spent on than connecting 2 f*cking rivers?

Terry wrote: »

This has been done over the past 15 years or so.
Calm down. This is a good thing.

Actually, if memory serves, there were barges dredging the water about 20 years ago.

Local county councils have covered the cost of this in the name of tourism.
It's not a scandal. It's something worthwhile.

There are fishing spots along the canal here in Kildare. Fish are regularly re-introduced to the waters, and it's all regulated.

That we can once again travel by boat from the West to the East is great for tourism.

Technically you're both wrong. It was already connected, some 200 years ago, costing over a million british pounds. Dare anyone to work that with modern day inflation. In the last 30 years or so, since the 70s [Mr. Terrance ] It's been getting kept and restored. According to wikipedia, a site which can make any foreigner sound intelligent about a local landmark, it should now be possible to navigate the full length of the canal [again, since it went first into disrepair decades ago] as of September 30th, 2010. Hence the reason for your thread.

I like that canal, it's one of the nicest features in Dublin. And rich businessmen tourists with boats and **** would pay to run through it.

ilovebiology wrote: »

I think that since the recession hit the country 2 years ago or so, that money should be spent extremely wisely than spending money connecting a canal and the river Shannon. Something like that is NOT a priority for the country given the circumstances we are in for the past 2 years. If connecting the canal and the river started over 2 years ago, and when the recession hit, the project SHOULD have been stopped, and the remaining money spent on something useful for the country.
For example, if 10 million was spent 2 years ago on connecting the canal and the river, couldn't the remainder 20 million have bailed out many people with their mortages, or something else more useful than connecting a canal and a river. Its another ridiculous waste of money at a time like this

Thats not exactly how budgetary appropriations work. Once it was signed off on, thats it usually. Only for on-running programs like healthcare or something would the government install within the appropriations bill to have the funds reviewed on a regular basis. Thats how US Congressional Appropriations work, and I'll wager, that's a lot like how Irish appropriations work.

mikemac

Min wrote: »

I just hope Bord Fáilte promotes it well now.

Fáilte Ireland Changed the name a few years back
Having being in Yorkshire, boating on the canals is promoted heavily.
Yes, we should do the same

I've hired boats on the Shannon which is quite popular in Ireland and a great way to see the midlands.
Linking the Royal Canal nows gives tourists another option, maybe they will extend their trip.

As Terry said, there are opportunities for fishing.
And I'm not sure if there is a good cycle, there should be, that would be great too.

Money well spent here imo

OP, the project was started decades ago, you don't stop two years from completion.

orourkeda

go on the canal

ilovebiology

It might be nice for fishing or promoting tourism etc, but there is a world recession on at the moment, and coming to Ireland is expensive enough as it is, people do not have the money, and I don't see how this can stimulate the economy in anyway, a chronic waste of money.
Wouldn't 10 or even 5 million go along way with helping businesses, the unemployed, people with mortages over the past 2 years, than on connecting a canal and a river?

Millicent

ilovebiology wrote: »

I think that since the recession hit the country 2 years ago or so, that money should be spent extremely wisely than spending money connecting a canal and the river Shannon. Something like that is NOT a priority for the country given the circumstances we are in for the past 2 years. If connecting the canal and the river started over 2 years ago, and when the recession hit, the project SHOULD have been stopped, and the remaining money spent on something useful for the country.
For example, if 10 million was spent 2 years ago on connecting the canal and the river, couldn't the remainder 20 million have bailed out many people with their mortages, or something else more useful than connecting a canal and a river. Its another ridiculous waste of money at a time like this

Bailed out people with their mortgages? With tax money? Instead of funding something that might create jobs, that has been spread over 30 years as you have been told?

Just an unrelated question -- are you a fan of Joe Duffy or the Daily Mail by any chance?

Min

ilovebiology wrote: »

I think that since the recession hit the country 2 years ago or so, that money should be spent extremely wisely than spending money connecting a canal and the river Shannon. Something like that is NOT a priority for the country given the circumstances we are in for the past 2 years. If connecting the canal and the river started over 2 years ago, and when the recession hit, the project SHOULD have been stopped, and the remaining money spent on something useful for the country.
For example, if 10 million was spent 2 years ago on connecting the canal and the river, couldn't the remainder 20 million have bailed out many people with their mortages, or something else more useful than connecting a canal and a river. Its another ridiculous waste of money at a time like this

It could be seen as bailing out the tourism industry, it is bad enough with ghost estates in this country, we don't want a load of unfinished projects which offer nothing, the project gave employment and will give more employment and that is what we need.
I would be more concerned if all projects which will help this country were stopped, this will help the country, no point spending €10 million for nothing when you can have something worthwhile with the remainder €20 million completing it.

We need projects like this, this is not electronic voting machines, Ppars or other waste that delivered nothing for this country.
We have something worthwhile at least with this.

ilovebiology

orourkeda wrote: »

go on the canal

I have been along the canal, and I think people would have alot less stress if they were helped out with their mortages than walking along a canal

Overheal

ilovebiology wrote: »

It might be nice for fishing or promoting tourism etc, but there is a world recession on at the moment, and coming to Ireland is expensive enough as it is, people do not have the money, and I don't see how this can stimulate the economy in anyway, a chronic waste of money.
Wouldn't 10 or even 5 million go along way with helping businesses, the unemployed, people with mortages over the past 2 years, than on connecting a canal and a river?

Frankly then, thats narrow minded. Again, the total cost of the project has been spread out, and again, you seem to appreciate very little the large sector of the Irish Economy that happens to be Tourism.

You wanted to cut the project off right before completion to bail out a couple companies/homeowners for a few months?? That makes no fiscal sense.

It's a bit like saying $2000 in crop seed is a chronic waste of money. Sure, you could find ways to spend $2k really quickly, but what does it do for you in the long run? You are not factoring in Earnings Potential.

Mrmoe

This is not a waste of money. It's not as if the money was flushed down the river. This money will at least pay a lot of workers to maintain and prepare the connection. Is it not better to give people stable employment allowing them to pay their mortgage rather than bailing them out. This will also help to attract tourists to the area. Infrastructure projects like this are good for the economy and should not be cut.

Min

feelingstressed wrote: »

Fáilte Ireland Changed the name a few years back
Having being in Yorkshire, boating on the canals is promoted heavily.
Yes, we should do the same

I've hired boats on the Shannon which is quite popular in Ireland and a great way to see the midlands.
Linking the Royal Canal nows gives tourists another option, maybe they will extend their trip.

As Terry said, there are opportunities for fishing.
And I'm not sure if there is a good cycle, there should be, that would be great too.

Money well spent here imo

OP, the project was started decades ago, you don't stop two years from completion.

lol, thanks for the clarification, maybe I am showing my age :pac:

thisguy

Millicent wrote: »

Bailed out people with their mortgages? With tax money? Instead of funding something that might create jobs, that has been spread over 30 years as you have been told?

Just an unrelated question -- are you a fan of Joe Duffy or the Daily Mail by any chance?

Thank you for saving me the trouble of going on a rant about that!

Logical Fallacy

ilovebiology wrote: »

I think that since the recession hit the country 2 years ago or so, that money should be spent extremely wisely than spending money connecting a canal and the river Shannon. Something like that is NOT a priority for the country given the circumstances we are in for the past 2 years. If connecting the canal and the river started over 2 years ago, and when the recession hit, the project SHOULD have been stopped, and the remaining money spent on something useful for the country.
For example, if 10 million was spent 2 years ago on connecting the canal and the river, couldn't the remainder 20 million have bailed out many people with their mortages, or something else more useful than connecting a canal and a river. Its another ridiculous waste of money at a time like this

Excuse me, but why the **** should tax money to be used to bail people out of their mortages?

"Oh no! I got this big loan out with no real forethought about the future and now i want out!"

**** off and pay your bills, ****.

Jaxxy

ilovebiology wrote: »

I think that since the recession hit the country 2 years ago or so, that money should be spent extremely wisely than spending money connecting a canal and the river Shannon. Something like that is NOT a priority for the country given the circumstances we are in for the past 2 years. If connecting the canal and the river started over 2 years ago, and when the recession hit, the project SHOULD have been stopped, and the remaining money spent on something useful for the country.
For example, if 10 million was spent 2 years ago on connecting the canal and the river, couldn't the remainder 20 million have bailed out many people with their mortages, or something else more useful than connecting a canal and a river. Its another ridiculous waste of money at a time like this

Well you've just been told that the cost of this project was spread over decades, not two years. So I have no idea where you pulled the figures of five or ten million out of.

As other people have already mentioned the pros far outweigh the cons. I think it's a great idea and if marketed correctly could seriously boost tourism. As for suggesting that the money can be used to help people out with their mortgages, well that's just kind of ridiculous and not at all an opinion based in reality I'm afraid.

ilovebiology

Overheal wrote: »

Frankly then, thats narrow minded. Again, the total cost of the project has been spread out, and again, you seem to appreciate very little the large sector of the Irish Economy that happens to be Tourism.

You wanted to cut the project off right before completion to bail out a couple companies/homeowners for a few months?? That makes no fiscal sense.

It's a bit like saying $2000 in crop seed is a chronic waste of money. Sure, you could find ways to spend $2k really quickly, but what does it do for you in the long run? You are not factoring in Earnings Potential.

And how much money in the current climate are people going to spend "Walking" along the canal or fishing? How many jobs can be created by connecting the canal and the river? Can you honestly say that 5 million or more would not have been more wisely spent on people with mortages, people with businesses, the homeless, etc. There are more important priorities than spending money on something like this imo.
If that project was stopped 2 years ago or so when the recession hit, wouldn't 5 million or more have been alot more relieving to people with mortages, businesses etc? Many people would have been delighted and relieved with some sort of sensible "Help" from the government over the past 2 years than spending money on connecting a canal and a river

Millicent

ilovebiology wrote: »

And how much money in the current climate are people going to spend "Walking" along the canal or fishing? How many jobs can be created by connecting the canal and the river? Can you honestly say that 5 million or more would not have been more wisely spent on people with mortages, people with businesses, the homeless, etc. There are more important priorities than spending money on something like this imo.
If that project was stopped 2 years ago or so when the recession hit, wouldn't 5 million or more have been alot more relieving to people with mortages, businesses etc? Many people would have been delighted and relieved with some sort of sensible "Help" from the government over the past 2 years than spending money on connecting a canal and a river

There are more important things to spend money on than people's mortgages and bailing out businesses. What are you not getting here? Why don't you criticise the cost of the Port Tunnel or the Luas instead of trying to whip up some controversy or money actually well used for a pleasant change?

bitemybanger

ilovebiology wrote: »

This country gets worse and worse! 30 million has been spent on connecting the Royal Canal to the Shannon. Wouldn't you think there are better things 30 million could be spent on than connecting 2 f*cking rivers?

You need to spend money in order to make some. This will be huge for tourism as mentioned above.

Min

€30,000,000 isn't much when the banks can get €50,000,000,000.

Terry

ilovebiology wrote: »

I think that since the recession hit the country 2 years ago or so, that money should be spent extremely wisely than spending money connecting a canal and the river Shannon. Something like that is NOT a priority for the country given the circumstances we are in for the past 2 years. If connecting the canal and the river started over 2 years ago, and when the recession hit, the project SHOULD have been stopped, and the remaining money spent on something useful for the country.
For example, if 10 million was spent 2 years ago on connecting the canal and the river, couldn't the remainder 20 million have bailed out many people with their mortages, or something else more useful than connecting a canal and a river. Its another ridiculous waste of money at a time like this

Hi.
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You can get this by promising Colonel Gadaffi that you will make a nuke for him. Just pretend that you are working for the Iranian government. Fake passports can be obtained by pretending that you are from Israel.

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I have a scar on the ring finger of my right hand which resembles a flux capacitor. This may or may not work. I cannot guarantee it.

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Now that you have all three items, you can begin your quest.

To begin, what you need to do is hit the M4. There's a nice straight run between Lucan and Maynooth.
Attach the enriched uranium to my finger while I am holding John DeLorian's hand, Reach 88 mph and we will travel back to October 1982. At this point we will rig the ballot so that FF win and the Labour/FG coalition do not get into power.
Then we tell Haughey how we made him win and that he should not restore the Royal canal because there will be a recession in 2008.

€30 million saved. Result.

There is one small problem.
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You are going to have to cut my finger off in order to return to 2010, because if I go back in time, my scar will disappear.
I'm willing to sell it to you for €15 million. That's only half the cost of the canal restoration. It's well worth it.
PM me for my bank details.

Overheal wrote: »

Technically you're both wrong. It was already connected, some 200 years ago, costing over a million british pounds. Dare anyone to work that with modern day inflation. In the last 30 years or so, since the 70s [Mr. Terrance ] It's been getting kept and restored. According to wikipedia, a site which can make any foreigner sound intelligent about a local landmark, it should now be possible to navigate the full length of the canal [again, since it went first into disrepair decades ago] as of September 30th, 2010. Hence the reason for your thread.

I like that canal, it's one of the nicest features in Dublin. And rich businessmen tourists with boats and **** would pay to run through it.
Thats not exactly how budgetary appropriations work. Once it was signed off on, thats it usually. Only for on-running programs like healthcare or something would the government install within the appropriations bill to have the funds reviewed on a regular basis.

It was blocked off during the 1950's, thus my "re-opening" comment.
Apologies in the form of a donation to "ilovebiology's" quest to pay €15 million for my flux capacitor shaped scar.

ilovebiology

Millicent wrote: »

There are more important things to spend money on than people's mortgages and bailing out businesses. What are you not getting here? Why don't you criticise the cost of the Port Tunnel or the Luas instead of trying to whip up some controversy or money actually well used for a pleasant change?

What I am saying is there is a world wide recession on, and there are no jobs in Ireland, in England or in many parts of Europe or the rest of the world, and people cannot afford to go on holidays at the moment, and if they do go along the connection of the Royal Canal and the Shannon, how can that generate money for the economy? All they will be doing is mostly walking along it, or fishing, or in a boat.
Yes the money on the Luas, and the Port Tunnel was a ridiculous waste of money, but so is this in my opinion.

mikemac

ilovebiology wrote: »

And how much money in the current climate are people going to spend "Walking" along the canal or fishing?

Plently.
There are B&B's on the route, a boat hire company will start up and pubs and restaurants along the way will prosper.
The government collects tax on every service or good sold and every PAYE or self employed job created (Well most, lets not get technical on VAT or income tax)

Take a trip along the Shannon some day. Small villages like Garrykennedy, Terryglass, Mountshannon and others do a roaring trade from people on the boats.
The canal won't be as busy of course but it can be promoted.
Cycling and fishing holidays will be boosted.
And jobs are created maintaining the canal.

ilovebiology wrote: »

If that project was stopped 2 years ago or so when the recession hit, wouldn't 5 million or more

First you quoted 20 million over 2 years and now it's 5 million.
This was funded over decades, it's lower then this.

ilovebiology wrote: »

wouldn't 5 million or more have been alot more relieving to people with mortages, businesses etc? Many people would have been delighted and relieved with some sort of sensible "Help" from the government over the past 2 years than spending money on connecting a canal and a river

OP, the social welfare budget in Ireland is something like 22 billion and you started a thread on a few million euro to finish a project.

This project will create jobs.
Did you overpay on your mortgage? Well my sympathies but spending taxpayers money to bail out mortgages doesn't create jobs

ilovebiology

Min wrote: »

€30,000,000 isn't much when the banks can get €50,000,000,000.

Well I agree with you there, the banks should not be getting E50 billion whatsoever, many of the bankers should be jailed.

Mardy Bum

ilovebiology wrote: »

And how much money in the current climate are people going to spend "Walking" along the canal or fishing? How many jobs can be created by connecting the canal and the river? Can you honestly say that 5 million or more would not have been more wisely spent on people with mortages, people with businesses, the homeless, etc. There are more important priorities than spending money on something like this imo.
If that project was stopped 2 years ago or so when the recession hit, wouldn't 5 million or more have been alot more relieving to people with mortages, businesses etc? Many people would have been delighted and relieved with some sort of sensible "Help" from the government over the past 2 years than spending money on connecting a canal and a river

So the project should just be left on the shelf until we are over the recession? An injection of investment like this is good for the economy. Fiscal injections are the way countries get out of recessions. This will return money. The benefit at this stage of its completion really outweighs the costs. Its a much wiser investment than handing back the equity holders in Anglo their money which they shouldn't have seen sight or light of. Its one of the few smart moves from the clowns in the Dail.

google faps

Tbf, 29 million of that was spent on removing dead cattle and shopping trolleys (and one of my old go-karts that had a steering malfunction ).

They have done some good work on the canal and dredged the crap out of it while also creating nice walkways along the side of it.Not to forget all the lock gates that were replaced and lock buildings restored.

Money not wasted imo.
Búla bos.

flynnlives

have you actually ever been down to portumna or seen lough derg?

there are loads of boat hiring companies/small cruiseing boats, loads of places to stop like terryglass, killaloe etc, pubs, restaurants, b&b's and local attractions the benefit massively from pleasure boaters.

This will only increase as now people who have boats in dun laoighaire and other eastern seaboard towns will be able to get to the shannon.

Money well spent imo.

Now stop been so narrow minded!!

mikemac

google faps wrote: »

Tbf, 29 million of that was spent on removing dead cattle

I shuddered reading that, removing decomposed cattle from a stinking canal

Ewwwww :P

Sir Gallagher

This is a classic example of when an OP should just admit they're wrong. Found out completely.

Millicent

ilovebiology wrote: »

What I am saying is there is a world wide recession on, and there are no jobs in Ireland, in England or in many parts of Europe or the rest of the world, and people cannot afford to go on holidays at the moment, and if they do go along the connection of the Royal Canal and the Shannon, how can that generate money for the economy? All they will be doing is mostly walking along it, or fishing, or in a boat.
Yes the money on the Luas, and the Port Tunnel was a ridiculous waste of money, but so is this in my opinion.

Okay, this post is pure sensationalism. There are jobs in Ireland and in England and in Europe. There are less of them but there are jobs. Now, in Ireland, we used to rely very heavily on our tourism industry. Then we got a little bit carried away, cost of living rose and coming to Ireland was not as cheap as it once once. Now they are trying to revitalise something that could bring tourism here, not to mention add to the enjoyment of the natives and that's a problem?

Seriously, we should stop giving money to art galleries or theatres because nobody does anything with those except look at pictures or watch people acting things that aren't even really real life.

mikemac

Ulster Canal you say, interesting.
Shannon is connected to Lough Erne and then the Ulster Canal will link to Lough Neagh
Maybe one day

Afaik Waterways Ireland is a cross border body
So they do worth all over Ireland

Victor

Victor wrote: »

One of them is a canal, not a river.

It does seem to bring tourism to the midlands.

Vic,
What'ye say to putting "heritage" in the thread title and moving it to C&T?

google faps

feelingstressed wrote: »

I shuddered reading that, removing decomposed cattle from a stinking canal

Ewwwww :P

The whole of the midlands has had canal fuelled yellow jaundice at some point.

Sir Gallagher

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

This is a classic example of when an OP should just admit they're wrong. Found out completely.

Actually, if this were moved to C&T, this post would never be made. Plenty of rant support there.

Overheal

ilovebiology wrote: »

What I am saying is there is a world wide recession on, and there are no jobs in Ireland, in England or in many parts of Europe or the rest of the world, and people cannot afford to go on holidays at the moment, and if they do go along the connection of the Royal Canal and the Shannon, how can that generate money for the economy? All they will be doing is mostly walking along it, or fishing, or in a boat.
Yes the money on the Luas, and the Port Tunnel was a ridiculous waste of money, but so is this in my opinion.

No jobs? Really? Did Monster.ie just close up shop or something, or is it just that perhaps you're exaggerating?

baldbear

Fair play to all the volunteers that worked for free. I think it will be a great addition for our country. Will there be tours now on canal boats for anyone to book?

Imagine it for Good Friday for a booze cruise!!!
It's money well spent compared to the evoting machines(€51million) that aren't used and golf balls for anglo.

Heres a map of canal route if not already up...

Canals are infrastructure just like the roads and railways, 30m spent on bringing it back into use isn't going to break the bank(they broke themselves).

It was spent over a good number of years anyway so nothing to do with the current financial mess.

FoxT

Regardless of cost, the canal was a sewer & has been resurrected into a real public amenity that we can all enjoy & take pride in. The disgrace is that it took 20-30 years to do it.

Regarding cost - it was cheap.

Regarding disgrace - it was disgraceful that it took so long to get it done.

Amen.

- FoxT

RMD

OP, please learn what you're going to complain about before you actually do. It just looks retarded when you complain about something you don't even know the bare story to.

Dionysus

ilovebiology wrote: »

This country gets worse and worse! 30 million has been spent on connecting the Royal Canal to the Shannon. Wouldn't you think there are better things 30 million could be spent on than connecting 2 f*cking rivers?

I walked the Royal Canal from Ashtown in Dublin to Killucan in Westmeath and back again about 6 weeks ago. It's a superb walk. This extra money will bring it all the way to the Shannon. It will benefit tourism and the numerous communities in Dublin, Kildare, Meath, Westmeath and Longford along the canal.

What is not mentioned in your post is how the entire redevelopment of the Royal Canal has been inspired by the local communities along the way. Since the 1970s they have formed voluntary communities to clean up the canal, with a separate voluntary group taking charge of each section of the canal. This has involved decades of work, all of which has been voluntary. The state has supported this work. This final opening of the canal to Clondra/Cloondra on the Shannon is the end result of state support for all of that voluntary activity to make a region that bit nicer.

Would that more areas in Ireland had as much voluntary activity. Congratulations to all concerned.

Logical Fallacy

Dearest OP,

I hope you have learned that short sighted reactive posting on complicated topics with far reaching benefits is silly.

Also, how anyone can call the Luas a waste is actually beyond me. There is actually a transport system in Ireland that provides a good regular service and runs at a profit and people are giving out about it?

Millicent

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Dearest OP,

I hope you have learned that short sighted reactive posting on complicated topics with far reaching benefits is silly.

Also, how anyone can call the Luas a waste is actually beyond me. There is actually a transport system in Ireland that provides a good regular service and runs at a profit and people are giving out about it?

If that is in reply to be, I was referring to the advice the Transport Authority got about the Luas, which they ignored, that ended up costing a lot to fix. The Luas itself isn't a waste -- the initial setup was wasteful with the funding.

Logical Fallacy

Millicent wrote: »

If that is in reply to be, I was referring to the advice the Transport Authority got about the Luas, which they ignored, that ended up costing a lot to fix. The Luas itself isn't a waste -- the initial setup was wasteful with the funding.

Nope, was aiming at the OP, didn't see what you said about the Luas (shame on me), cheers for that info though.