Is Emigrating the Only way to Find Work and have a Better life These days?

goat2

saywhatyousee wrote: »

anyone emigrating from ireland should be made pay there education cost's back to the state

that is one sweeper of a statement, they did not expect to have to leave but due to millions given to the few who bought yachts, big jeeps, second homes, while these poor students worked in foodmarkets and bars at weekend trying to survive paying rent and keeping warm and fed on very little and getting through exams, to these graduates, you deserve better than you are now being offered, and just spread your wings across this globe and find your chosen field, enjoy it.

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for if you stay, you will spend the next 10 yrs paying for the stupidity of the past 10 yrs, money being given to people who did not have a rap nor a brain to pay it back.good luck to you all

saywhatyousee

goat2 wrote: »

that is one sweeper of a statement, they did not expect to have to leave but due to millions given to the few who bought yachts, big jeeps, second homes, while these poor students worked in foodmarkets and bars at weekend trying to survive paying rent and keeping warm and fed on very little and getting through exams, to these graduates, you deserve better than you are now being offered, and just spread your wings across this globe and find your chosen field, enjoy it.

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for if you stay, you will spend the next 10 yrs paying for the stupidity of the past 10 yrs, money being given to people who did not have a rap nor a brain to pay it back.good luck to you all

in the statement above i am talking about the people in college,who scream at the top of there lungs ireland is s**te ireland is this that and the other.i am going imediataly to "insert country here" when i finish college."ireland never gave me anything".these are the people i am talking about.constantly running down the country while getting a free third level education and a grant to boot.these are the rats i am talking about,and trust me there are loads about

JRant

Well, well, well. To saywhatyousee, happyman and the numerous other fools here, calling people rats and telling them not to come back cause you say they are no longer Irish or they are committing treason, why don't you all take a run and jump into the nearest river you can find, PLEASE.
I worked as an electrician through the "Boom" years and paid a shed load in taxes for over 10 years.When I was made redundant I applied to every single job I could, including Ikea, McDonalds etc, etc. But to no avail, nobody would give me a job and yet everyone of these places is overrun by Foreign nationals.
I am now 1 year away from qualifying as an electrical engineer, paid for by the tax-payer and the first thing i will do when i qualify is book a flight out of this sh***hole of a country, run by backward farmers from the arsehole of nowhere.
And before any of you get on your high horse i couldn't give a sh**e what you narrow minded yobbo's have to say about anything so you stay in this banana republic.

saywhatyousee

JRant wrote: »

Well, well, well. To saywhatyousee, happyman and the numerous other fools here, calling people rats and telling them not to come back cause you say they are no longer Irish or they are committing treason, why don't you all take a run and jump into the nearest river you can find, PLEASE.
I worked as an electrician through the "Boom" years and paid a shed load in taxes for over 10 years.When I was made redundant I applied to every single job I could, including Ikea, McDonalds etc, etc. But to no avail, nobody would give me a job and yet everyone of these places is overrun by Foreign nationals.
I am now 1 year away from qualifying as an electrical engineer, paid for by the tax-payer and the first thing i will do when i qualify is book a flight out of this sh***hole of a country, run by backward farmers from the arsehole of nowhere.
And before any of you get on your high horse i couldn't give a sh**e what you narrow minded yobbo's have to say about anything so you stay in this banana republic.

knowing my luck if i jumped into the river the water would probaly split while i am in mid air:pac:

pstokes

Im 23 and emigrated to the Uk in May. Even though I have a professional qualification people were saying I was making a mistake and were looking down on me for leaving Ireland. Now I am earning £37,000 + bonus, I live 20 miles from an airport and have made a lot of friends through work.So yes i agree its better to emigrate than staying at home drawing the dole and putting more strain on the Irish economy.

Happyman42

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

How do you know they all came back?
And of those who did come back, why does it bother you?
If they hadn't have come back with their skills and experience from abroad, the economy in the 90s wouldn't have developed the way it did.

You really have to get your priorities straight in who you should direct your anger at.

Anger is a fairly useless emotion tbh.
Why does it bother me? Because of the pointlessness and vulgarity that happened here over the last 10-15 yrs and we have nothing to show for it but eyesores and massive overdraft.
And that's nonsense about the economy because it was all based greed and a bubble that was sure to burst. I wish we never had a Celtic Tiger. I know a whole generation would be happier and more fulfilled.

Happyman42

JRant wrote: »

I am now 1 year away from qualifying as an electrical engineer, paid for by the tax-payer and the first thing i will do when i qualify is book a flight out of this sh***hole of a country...to become a Foreign National

Fixed that for ya ^^^^^
It's run by 'backward farmers' because you and your likes let them.

Happyman42

Happyman42 wrote: »

Fixed that for ya ^^^^^
It's run by 'backward farmers' because you and your likes let them.

its the people who stay who allow it

Herb Powell

Happyman42 wrote: »

And there you have it....another generation thinking they are unique. It's cyclical in this country and the reason for that is that the same thing happens everytime. Who loses ultimately?

you
I don't care like, I'm feckin off

Happyman42

Herb Powell wrote: »

you
I don't care like, I'm feckin off

Then please do what I asked all emigrants earlier in the thread. Good luck.

CCCP

ClareVisitor wrote: »

I think that the high level of dole is a contributory factor. I know a fella who lost his job here in England and went home to draw dole as it's so much higher in Ireland.

I'm no right-winger by any stretch of the imagination, but the amount of dole paid out in Ireland (especially to people with no dependents) is ridiculous.

Really ?? you try living on 196 a week, and see how ridiculous it is!!!:mad:

For me, 3 people have to survive on that money, that's 196 divided by 3 and I don't get rent allowance or dependent money. You people and your stupid opinions make me so angry!

Amhran Nua

Happyman42 wrote: »

Fixed that for ya ^^^^^
It's run by 'backward farmers' because you and your likes let them.

I wouldn't hold it against anyone who felt it was in their best interests to leave Ireland, especially with the lack of a unified and clear voice in politics to represent some semblance of sanity. However, its worth noting that you lose your vote by doing so.

The government may make noises about using the great advances made by the diaspora to help Ireland out, but look at even that Farmleigh Conference a year ago, where successful emigrants paid for their own flights to come and advise the country economically. It has produced nothing. No jobs, no important initiatives, just another feed of soundbites for the endless rounds of civil service committeees to justify their existence in ever more obfuscated language.

Wherever the Irish go, they are successful, which leaves us with the question of what we could achieve in our own country if it were run even halfway properly. Until that great day however, emigration is being actively encouraged by the "leaders" because it gets the votes that might change things to vanish, as simple as that.

goat2

i admire all those who cross the ocean to find employment, it means that you are workers who cannot sit around just doing nothing, which can become depressing, and then there are those who have children and family who cannot leave due to commitments and children at schools, that have lost their jobs and hoping to find another job some are uprooting the lot a brave thing to do but have no options ,

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and then there are those who have been on dole with their lifetime and do not want to work, their children follow them on to the dole queu because this is what they have been thought, free houses, medical cards, free dentists, help with school books and uniforms, these same people are in the pubs at 11 in the morning, how they do it beats me, and there are plenty and too many of these type around, giving nothing, just put in this world to cost the country.

sunshineoh9

do you think it is a stupid thing for me to be moving to ireland? my fiance told me if i can't find a job he will support me but i don't want to be entirely dependent on him...

ejmaztec

Amhran Nua wrote: »

I wouldn't hold it against anyone who felt it was in their best interests to leave Ireland, especially with the lack of a unified and clear voice in politics to represent some semblance of sanity. However, its worth noting that you lose your vote by doing so.

The government may make noises about using the great advances made by the diaspora to help Ireland out, but look at even that Farmleigh Conference a year ago, where successful emigrants paid for their own flights to come and advise the country economically. It has produced nothing. No jobs, no important initiatives, just another feed of soundbites for the endless rounds of civil service committeees to justify their existence in ever more obfuscated language.

Wherever the Irish go, they are successful, which leaves us with the question of what we could achieve in our own country if it were run even halfway properly. Until that great day however, emigration is being actively encouraged by the "leaders" because it gets the votes that might change things to vanish, as simple as that.

Emigration has been actively encouraged throughout Irish history, no matter what regime had control. Emigration reduces anything un-employment related, including the percentage out of work. As I mentioned in an earlier post, the funds that the emigrants send home puts money into the local economy, which would otherwise not be the case.

No government has ever had a clue where job-creation is concerned, and they've all been spouting wind and piss for 90 years. Until the yokels who vote for these wind-bags die out, Ireland has no chance of keeping its population intact.

Ten years ago, I actually thought that Ireland had finally turned the corner as regards emigration, and we all know what happened next.:(

nachoman

desertcircus wrote: »

The more people who leave, the fewer new companies and the fewer major expansions of the companies already here. A shrinking population rarely increases the opportunities for the people who remain.

they increase the dole, so more dole, happy days.

goat2

sunshineoh9 wrote: »

do you think it is a stupid thing for me to be moving to ireland? my fiance told me if i can't find a job he will support me but i don't want to be entirely dependent on him...

are you moving to this wet, windy, cold, cashstrapped unemployment rising, taxes rising, country,---- leaving sunshine, plenty job oppertunities, i know you say for your boyfriend, would it not be a better idea if he went to where you are,

Propellerhead

jimthemental wrote: »

I really want to know what in the name of God did I get out of this country? I stayed in school, leaving cert in 05, worked the few hours I could in pubs all through college, graduated 09 with a science degree and now working an office job an hour drive away for barely more than minimum wage because even if the right job is available I have no experience compared to someone of your generation who got laid off and can now saunter into a new job looking down at those queuing up for jobs or dole around the country because they have "experience". I'd love to emigrate to improve my quality of life but even that will take a while due to car loan, student loan and of course the ridiculous cost of living here. I love Ireland and don't want to leave but unless I can secure a slightly better job before Christmas I'm gone. I didn't have a chance to earn during the Celtic Tiger and so got completely shafted just like 90% of the graduates in this country in the last few years

Any love I have had for this country has been eroded. I couldn't even get my passport renewed on time when it was due, that's how much contempt Official Ireland has in its belly for the ordinary man.

The bollocksology in the newspapers, with the possible exception of McWilliams, who was a cheerleader for FF in his time as well is sickening. Knuckleheads blowing up their own place in Derry. Comfortably off people lecturing the rest of us to tighten their belts. Well fu ck them. They truly have made the bed for the rest of us so, I ain't lying here anymore, ever again. Gone at Christmas and gone for good.

Jamey

Have enjoyed reading through all the pages of these threads, and the different arguments. I'm a college graduate, graduated in 09, now over a year on the dole, not a job in sight. Since last weekend, I've begun to think seriously about emigration, weighing up the positives and negatives, and this thread has been a help.

For the people that have complained about college graduates turning their noses up at jobs in Lidl, Dunnes etc. I've applied for jobs at both, and been offered jobs, at minimum wage, 20-30 hours a week. You know what? I turned them down. These sort of hours at that pay turn out at the same amount once tax is removed (or even less) as the social welfare. I'd be eager to see if people view that as smart or lazy? Now I'm sick and tired of sitting on my hole, checking recruitment websites every morning, but I certainly don't view working in a customer service position for the same money as I'm getting on the dole as any better, especially as I spent 3 years in college working towards doing anything but customer service! I've worked in enough of those positions trying to financially support myself through college already.

The only reason I haven't left Ireland already btw, is that I'm in a band and that's been holding me back a bit as regards leaving. We've been successful enough, but really thinking of leaving it all behind now, in search of a "proper" job abroad.

Amhran Nua

ejmaztec wrote: »

Emigration reduces anything un-employment related, including the percentage out of work.

Which is a bit like reducing the strain on your heart circulating blood by cutting off your legs. You're going to need those to get moving in future.

ejmaztec wrote: »

As I mentioned in an earlier post, the funds that the emigrants send home puts money into the local economy, which would otherwise not be the case.

Ireland was never the Philippines though, if we had proper leadership the opportunity existed and still exists to enrich the national economy a lot more by creating exporting businesses than by remittances.

CCCP

sunshineoh9 wrote: »

do you think it is a stupid thing for me to be moving to ireland? my fiance told me if i can't find a job he will support me but i don't want to be entirely dependent on him...

It depends where your coming from really, to make a comparison. Don't let threads like this scare you off Ireland, there are many good things about this country, and there are opportunity's still.

*Edit* just read your in Florida and considering moving to Limerick...You must really love him!

sunshineoh9

goat2 wrote: »

are you moving to this wet, windy, cold, cashstrapped unemployment rising, taxes rising, country,---- leaving sunshine, plenty job oppertunities, i know you say for your boyfriend, would it not be a better idea if he went to where you are,

trust me, there is no plenty of job opportunities here either... i'm moving there because it would be better for his daughter to stay in her currents school with current friends and i wouldn't want to take her from her mother. plus, i'm still living with my parents in the states and he has his own house and a stable job... i've been working part time for my mom because there are just no jobs available; so we decided that it would be better if i moved there

CCCP wrote: »

It depends where your coming from really, to make a comparison. Don't let threads like this scare you off Ireland, there are many good things about this country, and there are opportunity's still.

*Edit* just read your in Florida and considering moving to Limerick...You must really love him!

lmao! yes i do love him very much :P plus, it doesn't hurt that he is irish
i sure do love ireland

x in the city

sunshineoh9 wrote: »

trust me, there is no plenty of job opportunities here either... i'm moving there because it would be better for his daughter to stay in her currents school with current friends and i wouldn't want to take her from her mother. plus, i'm still living with my parents in the states and he has his own house and a stable job... i've been working part time for my mom because there are just no jobs available; so we decided that it would be better if i moved there

lmao! yes i do love him very much :P plus, it doesn't hurt that he is irish
i sure do love ireland

leaving the everglades for limerick

wtf...

sunshineoh9

x in the city wrote: »

leaving the everglades for limerick

wtf...

wtfn? the everglades are only nice in winter (about two weeks of cool weather) every other time of year its hot, sticky, gross and mosquitoes everywhere... God i hate mosquitoes....

TheUsual

sunshineoh9 wrote: »

wtfn? the everglades are only nice in winter (about two weeks of cool weather) every other time of year its hot, sticky, gross and mosquitoes everywhere... God i hate mosquitoes....

Mosquitoes ... oh man I hate them, some of the nicest places to live on Earth are ruined by these f**kers. Ireland has no snakes, no big spiders and no mosquitoes. Whatever else you say about it, I love it. Try getting chewed alive by mosquitoes every night and then come back and complain. Not to mention the life-long problem of Malaria.

sunshineoh9

TheUsual wrote: »

Mosquitoes ... oh man I hate them, some of the nicest places to live on Earth are ruined by these f**kers. Ireland has no snakes, no big spiders and no mosquitoes. Whatever else you say about it, I love it. Try getting chewed alive by mosquitoes every night and then come back and complain. Not to mention the life-long problem of Malaria.

really? my fiance told me he found a tarantula in his shower about a week ago...
omg just thinking about them are making me itch!!! :eek: i will NEVER miss that about miami!

jank

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

The more people who leave = more opportunities for those who stay.

Yeap an opportunity to inherit more debt!:rolleyes:

senordingdong

marcusfenix wrote:

Your comment is BS. Are you saying no-one here should train to be engineers? Why? Because theres no jobs? What field is there plenty of jobs in exactly? A field that you need a degree for?

Are you an engineer? I've nothing against engineers.
But if there are no jobs in the engineering sector, then where was the sense in becoming an engineer? (just as an example) Engineers are probably going to have to leave the country.

There is a lack of jobs in every sector! Does this mean we should all not bother going to college? just sit into a cushy number in centra? Sure feck it what would ya want a fancy degree for when theres hot chicken roles to be made for the lads.

Now hang on, I never said people shouldn't bother going to college. You're getting excited and losing sight of what I said.
If there are jobs in retail than so be it. Chicken rolls aside, how can anyone think themselves too good to take any job if they are currently unemployed?

An engineering degree is not an easy thing to get but it is essential if this place is to have any attraction to multi-nationals etc. our two main attractions are low corporate tax and high skilled workers.

Yes, but as we said, people are leaving the country. Can't expect an engineering firm to create jobs if all the engineers are jumping ship.

But theres a shortage of jobs, lets all join the council or some other piece of **** job like yours where ambition, decision making and creativity is punishable by death or something.

I don't work for the council. I wish I did. I don't think ambition, decision making and creativity is punishable by death in the council.
I work a ****ty, low paying, menial job which is far from my dream, and even further from what I studied. Do you know why I took it? Because I was on the dole, and was not in a position to be picky.

People here think too much of their own worth, and I think that might be doing harm to the economy.

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

The smart, skilled ones emigrate and made something out of life.
Sad but true.

I disagree.
I say the smart, skilled ones stayed and worked up enough money to get into bed with the government.

Tchaikovsky wrote:

At the end of the day, it's the gombeens who stay in the country, hence the governments of the past 8 decades.

Do you not think there is some sense in trying to vote these people out of government? Obviously that can't be done if potential opposition voters keep leaving the country.
And as I suggested above, these gombeens may very well be the smartest ones, as they don't seem to have been htit badly by their buddies in government.

h8scobes

if you are on of those school dropouts then the future doesn't look good im afaird. however if you attended private school and now currently attend one of UCD,DIT, Trinity or DCU things are as good as ever.

nudist

h8scobes wrote: »

if you are on of those school dropouts then the future doesn't look good im afaird. however if you attended private school and now currently attend one of UCD,DIT, Trinity or DCU things are as good as ever.

And what sector are these graduates going into?

Seeing as the economy is ****ed in ireland for the next decade or two i dont see how this is now a great time to graduate IMO.

senordingdong

nudist wrote: »

And what sector are these graduates going into?

Seeing as the economy is ****ed in ireland for the next decade or two i dont see how this is now a great time to graduate IMO.

Maybe he means that since there will be so many people with similar qualifications going for so few jobs, thiings like, going to same school or college as the resruiter could help....for example.

nudist

senordingdong wrote: »

Maybe he means that since there will be so many people with similar qualifications going for so few jobs, thiings like, going to same school or college as the resruiter could help....for example.

Ah i see-its all about who you know, not what you know. Great to see that ireland is still the same way is was during the cetlic tiger :mad:

FreudianSlippers

fontanalis wrote: »

Delusional at best.

Have you been to the US recently or read any economic periodicals? Clearly not.

FreudianSlippers

goat2 wrote: »

are you moving to this wet, windy, cold, cashstrapped unemployment rising, taxes rising, country,---- leaving sunshine, plenty job oppertunities, i know you say for your boyfriend, would it not be a better idea if he went to where you are,

OMG you've never been to Florida. What a shíthole! Seriously!

sunshineoh9

OisinT wrote: »

OMG you've never been to Florida. What a shíthole! Seriously!

thank you someone for understanding!

delonglad

That was some reading..

I'm a college graduate, when in my last year in college I applied to thousands of jobs, got called for interviews with agencies and the usual mail saying the project has been put on hold after the interview. I studied for 5 years in a college that wasn't Trinity, UCD etc and I found out very quickly its all about who you know. This country is run by gangsters and every party is full of them, they (the opposition) talk about a general election would sort out the countries problems. Like they have a clue. To me in Ireland poloticians aren't elected from the public they just continue on from their dynasty. "Ah his father was a a td down the road we may vote for him". Its a load of S**T."

I was lucky enough to land myself a job over here in Holland and to be honest i'm delighted I took it, i'm paying a high level of tax but i'm getting my moneys worth, 1st class travel, roads, healthcare etc. I was always working through college and up till the day I left I was working getting paid a wage similar to what friends were on with their rent allowance, single parent and all the other sham schemes people live off in Ireland.

How can they get people off the dole if it doesn't pay to do so. The
"RATS" in this country are the ones living in council houses, drinking 7 days a week, buying fancy accesories and spouting on about how the government has ****ed up when they haven't contributed a single ounce to society in all their lives.

i know people on the dole since they finished school (during the boom) who are still on it and quite happy too. Yet they rant on about the government ruining their lives.

As for paying back the cost of my education I agree something should be in place but only if the jobs are there.

Also why the **** should someone accept a job in customer service if they spent 5 hard years studying a degree that, sure there was pleanty of partying but to get the piece of paper you have to work hard especially in Engineering and Science. I worked in a public service job until this oppertunity came along but if it hadn't come by christmas I was going to have to go elsewhere anyway.

You choose your path in life, wrong or right and the people on here begrudging people for making a better life for themselves are just Bullies full stop. Your the same as the poloticians!

senordingdong

delonglad wrote: »

Also why the **** should someone accept a job in customer service if they spent 5 hard years studying a degree that,

Well if there are no jobs in the field that they spent studying, what else should they do?
Sit around and do nothing? Join the dole que which you yourself said breeds uselessness?

You choose your path in life, wrong or right and the people on here begrudging people for making a better life for themselves are just Bullies full stop. Your the same as the poloticians!

Yes, you choose your path, right or wrong. What's right and what is wrong seems to change regularly.
Like so many other things, private employment in this country seems to be a matter of supply and demand.

fonecrusher1

Heres what i think....

Often people who bitch & moan about these 'rats' leaving the ship are the ones who either a. don't have the balls to leave the country or b. have financial obligations here which mean travel is not possible.

a. category people - don't begrudge people seeking a decent life in another country because you find the idea of leaving here frightening. See theres a lot of complete homebirds out there who couldn't handle such a change of environment. Unless they could bring the local pub & all their friends & family with them. This fear of leaving brings about feelings of self-loathing & eventually leads to resentment of those who are able to emigrate. In other words its jealousy.

b. category people - don't begrudge people seeking a decent life in another country because your chances of emigration are zero due to your debts that must be repaid. If you were clear of your debts you'd be the first person on the way out of here you hypocrits.

Honestly, talk about crab mentality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality

nudist

In fairness i think the general public is just plain pissed that the government wasted the boom and 50 billion is being taken from us.

Personally i think we also gotten used to the idea of being employed in ireland-is that so much to ask for? having a job in a country in which you were raised in? Most people dont emigrate by choice imo.

NullZer0

Hide behind the post wrote: »

This country has and will continue to breed enterprising, intelligent, entrepreneurial and talented individuals.

What?

If the above was an accurate description of Irish individuals, we wouldn't be in this situation.
We rely on the innovation of everyone else to get by, a look at the IT sector in Ireland alone will clarify this - Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Microsoft etc.

Where is the Irish Innovation?

fonecrusher1

iRock wrote: »

What?

If the above was an accurate description of Irish individuals, we wouldn't be in this situation.
We rely on the innovation of everyone else to get by, a look at the IT sector in Ireland alone will clarify this - Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Microsoft etc.

Where is the Irish Innovation?

Thats bullsh!t. What a about Stira? The folding attic stairs that can be fitted in under 2 hours.

fontanalis

OisinT wrote: »

Have you been to the US recently or read any economic periodicals? Clearly not.

However bad the US situation is, it's nowhere near as bad as Irelands.

My name is URL

fontanalis wrote: »

However bad the US situation is, it's nowhere near as bad as Irelands.

It's pretty bad for a lot of people in the US, tent cities are springing up all over the place because people have lost their homes. The difference is that the burden is spread more evenly across the population in Ireland.

senordingdong

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Thats bullsh!t. What a about Stira? The folding attic stairs that can be fitted in under 2 hours.

Yeah!
I don't recall Google or Microsoft carrying the label; 'as seen on The Late Late Show.'

fontanalis

My name is URL wrote: »

It's pretty bad for a lot of people in the US, tent cities are springing up all over the place because people have lost their homes. The difference is that the burden is spread more evenly across the population in Ireland.

There's a better chance of the US coming out of recession quicker than Ireland. Right now can you think of anyhting Ireland has to offer for job creation?
There is nothing that Ireland has or ireland can do that no other country in the world has or can do.

senordingdong

fontanalis wrote: »

There's a better chance of the US coming out of recession quicker than Ireland. Right now can you think of anyhting Ireland has to offer for job creation?

American investment?

fontanalis

senordingdong wrote: »

American investment?

So Ireland has to rely on the investment of a country that some here claim is in a worse state?

fonecrusher1

Ireland would be a third world country without foreign investment.

senordingdong

fontanalis wrote: »

So Ireland has to rely on the investment of a country that some here claim is in a worse state?

To a degree, yes.
Soem stipulate that Americas investment in Ireland (well, other countries in general) is a contributing factor to the condition America is in.

Happyman42

Have let this thread 'develop' for a while and I notice that those advocating and defending all emigration are long on abuse of anybody with the 'temerity' to criticise them, but short on actual solutions. Which is why they run I suppose. I go back to my original point, nothing will change until those affected by the system here stay and put up a fight.
Imagine your grandparents demanding to work in the career they have chosen and you will see how new that concept actually is. In times of recession(which it most definetly is) that is a luxury of the spoiled. And frankly, I think that 'a generation spoiled' is another by-product of that feline ****ing Celt!