Is Simon Cowell the cancer of the music industry

knird evol

Saila wrote: »

why is no one blaming the government for this

Cause its all your fault

Memnoch

Blaming Simon Cowell for destroying "real" music is like blaming the tabloids for besmirching "real" journalism, rather than blaming the people who purchase the tabloids.

Big Nasty

Memnoch wrote: »

Blaming Simon Cowell for destroying "real" music is like blaming the tabloids for besmirching "real" journalism, rather than blaming the people who purchase the tabloids.

Eh, if so called journalists and so called music promoters didn't shove this ****e down our throat in the first place we wouldn't have to listen to / read it!

Zombienosh

The "Industry" ruined music.




/end

fruvai

I'm glad the music industry is dying

bryaner

gsxr1 wrote: »

but its not the the tittle. I cant see how his presents benefits real bands.

Take a look at the top ten compared to 15 years ago.

where has the guitar bands gone.

Its turned into a big pile of ****e...

Music is suited to the celtic brats these days

Memnoch

MCMLXXV wrote: »

Eh, if so called journalists and so called music promoters didn't shove this ****e down our throat in the first place we wouldn't have to listen to / read it!

Shoved it down your throat?

Right... okay.

gsxr1

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Maybe they are ****?

Not being mean, but the majority of bands in Dublin, or Ireland for that matter, are ****. A couple of decent ones stand out, but none of them are very interesting or innovative, they all just tend to sound like that last big band whose names started with "The" that came out.

But they are not.

give our better bands (any genre) 15mins of fame on primetime sat night TV. Not picked by that feckin dose sharron Osborne and her work mates.

I cant help it. I think the top 5 people who pick who will be the next best things are arseholes. And those who follow them are worse.

Do knockinstockin next year. You wont believe the unsigned talent out there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEKkkhJCjcM

Herb Powell

Snow-Monkey wrote: »

absaloulty not.

Down Loaders are.
X-factor winners have a shelf life of a 6 months if even.

Sarcasm?

Oranage2

The majority of bands and singers you see in pubs are crap, they think its because they're not "commersial" but the truth is that they're just terrible

MagicMarker

Pop songs are very much forgettable. I can appreciate one as much as the next person, but after a month or two most of them will be nothing but mere distant memories.

ILA

Yes partly, but I grudgingly admire him in some ways. He's an entrepreneur who managed to claw his way up from being a school dropout to a multi-millionaire music producer and a pretty well renowned international media star just by catching onto the whole "reality tv" addiction and celebrity culture which plagues society.

It doesn't matter about the quality of the music or even making actual celebrities. People buy into the X-Factor because of the story of the participants, even though almost all the show is pre-scripted with every gesture timed and calculated. The whole Jedward thing sells because they are the modern equivalent to 19th Century freak shows, not because they can sing.

However, he can't be blamed for the woes of the industry. They were there a long time before Cowell started up. He just takes advantages of them and has turned them into a commercial bubble. It's just got easier and acceptable to "manufacture" musicians these days and get instant credibility.

OPENROAD

MagicMarker wrote: »

Pop songs are very much forgettable. I can appreciate one as much as the next person, but after a month or two most of them will be nothing but mere distant memories.

Disagree

Rockn

Twats who like popular music just because it's popular are the cancer of the music industry. Simon Cowell just feeds on that cancer.

nommm

No he definitely isn't. He's not even that successful in terms of big acts as other people. Most of the people on his label only last a few months because he can't seem to get any longevity out of them. The only reason he is so rich is because of his TV shows.

The cancer of the music industry is pretty much all the record company executives. These days they're not willing to sign anybody that doesn't already have a good fan base, if you don't have a hit with you're first album they drop you. Simple. Most of the big bands that around these days probably wouldn't have survived in this current climate.

A Primal Nut wrote: »

Its different in America; even mainstream DJs will play both modern and classic rock, for example as well as pop music. Would never happen here.

Thats not true at all. Over there they have radio for specific genres. They have top 40/billboard radio and then tyou have your alternative/ Classic Rock/ Dance music stations.

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Maybe they are ****?

Not being mean, but the majority of bands in Dublin, or Ireland for that matter, are ****. A couple of decent ones stand out, but none of them are very interesting or innovative, they all just tend to sound like that last big band whose names started with "The" that came out.

There's lots of innovative music coming out of Ireland at the moment. Particularly in the post-rock genre. And So I Watch You From Afar would be a great example of this.

Snowie

Herb Powell wrote: »

Sarcasm?

No its the truth thats why music in this world is so ****

DOC09UNAM

Seems to me that the OP was part of a shítty band in a competition that didn't get through.

And blame it on the likes of Simon Cowell rather than the fact they are shít

Havermeyer

gsxr1 wrote: »

But they are not.

give our better bands (any genre) 15mins of fame on primetime sat night TV. Not picked by that feckin dose sharron Osborne and her work mates.

I cant help it. I think the top 5 people who pick who will be the next best things are arseholes. And those who follow them are worse.

Do knockinstockin next year. You wont believe the unsigned talent out there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEKkkhJCjcM

If that's the best example for unsigned talent in this country, I think you've just proved logical fallacy's point.

Cowell is a big contributor to the the dumbing down of music. The problem is, though, that the bigger market is the teenage girls who will buy any old pop shíte. There isn't, I wouldn't imagine, a more specific brand of "music" that can be sold to such a predictable and ever-faithful audience, willing to part with their pocket money for cds of this years newest sensation.

Pop isn't even good these days. It's more about image than music. At least previous generations got some substance with the popular music of their time. The current generation get hyped up karaoke singers, with little or no actual talent.

google faps

Everything's **** since Roy Orbison died.

take everything

gsxr1 wrote: »

I see bands in town,

in festivals like Knockenstocken ,

and so on and so on. Up and coming people who have devoted there life to music .

I went to Carlos Santana last week . Setting a standard of top class musicianship . Every member of the band picked from the best of the best.

The band only 2/3 fills the O2.

yet if JLS play. full house. Bunch of ijets who have no idea.

Whats wrong.... Its driving me nuts

[vaguely irritating camp tone and manner] That has to be the worst OP we've ever heard here. Your capitalisation is poor... your argument is weak... the whole thing just comes across as amateur.
OK, Louis, Yes or No?[/vaguely irritating camp tone and manner].

sock puppet

nommm wrote: »

There's lots of innovative music coming out of Ireland at the moment. Particularly in the post-rock genre. And So I Watch You From Afar would be a great example of this.

Ah now they're good but they're not what'd I'd call very innovative. At times they sound just like every other Explosions in the Sky clone.

gsxr1

take everything wrote: »

[vaguely irritating camp tone and manner] That has to be the worst OP we've ever heard here. Your capitalisation is poor... your argument is weak... the whole thing just comes across as amateur.
OK, Louis, Yes or No?[/vaguely irritating camp tone and manner].

vaguely irritating camp tone and manner
would ya catch yourself on. Dear christ. Who says that?????:rolleyes:
I have a picture of you in my head now.
its not very flattering.

What has CAPITALIZATION got to do with it. Im sure you still understood the text. Piss poor .. at best mate oh .

What have you got to add .

Nothing.

Troll

take everything

gsxr1 wrote: »

vaguely irritating camp tone and manner
would ya catch yourself on. Dear christ. Who says that?????:rolleyes:
I have a picture of you in my head now.
its not very flattering.

What has CAPITALIZATION got to do with it. Im sure you still understood the text. Piss poor .. at best mate oh .

What have you got to add .

Nothing.

Troll

Jaysus.

johnn

MagicMarker wrote: »

Pop songs are very much forgettable. I can appreciate one as much as the next person, but after a month or two most of them will be nothing but mere distant memories.

yeah a **** one will be, like a **** rawk or dance song will also be

gsxr1

nummnutts wrote: »

If that's the best example for unsigned talent in this country, I think you've just proved logical fallacy's point.

I guess its different stokes for different folks as regards whats good.
That band in particular seem to be gathering quite a massive following.

I have seen them once and they had the crowd jumping..

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I mean i get why Cowell´s industry is successful, it's because people are thick.

BUT I'd like to know Where this post-ironic "pop music is fun" nonsense going around came from. Transparent attempt to portray tolerance to such a money-spinning racket by some users on here.
I don't want to hear a cover version of a ballad by some plastic TV show winner and neither do you. Liars.

OhThePenguin

gsxr1 wrote: »

I cant see how his presents benefits real bands.

Maybe he needs to give better presents? New instruments or something?

Johro

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Yes, you can.

Oh yes you can. With :Da big bat with a nail in it

gsxr1

OhThePenguin wrote: »

Maybe he needs to give better presents? New instruments or something?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF-WLb5ucCg :pac::D

sign that girl up Simon!!!!! pure talent

epgc3fyqirnbsx

Knifey Spoony wrote: »

The debate here is between someone whose music and lyrics are written for them and people who write there own lyrics, try and get across there own ideas and emotions, and possibly play there own instruments. The former is the x-factor, the latter is what I would call real music, whether it would be classed as pop, rock or metal and this is the kind of music that I have nothing but respect for. If this makes me a music snob, then I'll happily wollow in my own snobbishness.

Sinatra didn't write his own tunes

Now I really don't like 99% of pop music but like I said, it's a buyers market, people with 'great taste' in music don't dictate what is popular

And I wouldn't even worry much anyway, who buys singles? Kids...

Johro

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1dv8l_jimi-hendrix-voodoo-child_music

phantom_lord

gsxr1 wrote: »

I went to Carlos Santana last week . Setting a standard of top class musicianship . Every member of the band picked from the best of the best.

I thought Santana was pretty derided by good guitarists?

phantom_lord

Actually, just thinking about it, the musicians that accompany Rihanna are probably more talented than the ones with Santana.

Stargate

phantom_lord wrote: »

I thought Santana was pretty derided by good guitarists?

No he is not !!

Stargate

phantom_lord wrote: »

Actually, just thinking about it, the musicians that accompany Rihanna are probably more talented than the ones with Santana.

A meaningless comment , shows what you know about the santana band !!

Rihanna and a " band " !!! ........give us a break :eek:
I think they call it plastic music , push the button on the 147 track singalong
machine crap

I dont own any Rihanna cds or nor do i intend to ...To each his own i guess !!

Johro

phantom_lord wrote: »

I thought Santana was pretty derided by good guitarists?

Wouldn't think so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSECQtF58BU

phantom_lord

Stargate wrote: »

A meaningless comment , shows what you know about the santana band !!

Rihanna and a " band " !!! ........give us a break :eek:
I think they call it plastic music , push the button on the 147 track singalong
machine crap

I dont own any Rihanna cds or nor do i intend to ...To each his own i guess !!

shows what you know about Rihanna's band imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEVDtHJNFNM

Johro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2snP7rGP6g

While we're uploading videos..

CorkMan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hngBLM5V5Vk

The beginning of the end.

cock robin

He's a cancer on the planet not just the music industry the cnut.

fakearms123

Look not everyone has a great taste in music, Simon Cowell has taken advantage of this and is spoon feeding manufactured pop to the masses and they are sh*tting out money right into this hands and/or mouth. Simon Cowell is a very very smart man and I don't think he gives two sh*ts what you think about him.
I am huge indie/alternative music fan but I also enjoy listening to old school hip hop like De La Soul, A tribe called quest and Jurassic Five, thats just me and I go to certain lengths to get this music whether I need to buy it on itunes, go to the stores or download, I will make an effort to see that I have the music I like on my ipod but what I have noticed is that there are a lot of people, the majority of people who are too lazy to find the music they like and are more content on having the radio tell them what kind of music they like. Its just in their nature to be lazy about music, if you ask them what kind of bands they like they will tell you The Script, Maroon 5, Eliza Doolittle, etc. This list will change for them in a few weeks time and then another change in a few months time by xmas their next favourite artists will be whoever wins x factor. When I walk down the road listening to a band like Yeasayer and I hear someone playing JLS from their ipod I think to myself, I am so much better than you lol just joking, I just think to myself that I have my own brand of music, my own style

bullpost

More like the winter vomiting bug - turns up every year, is highly infectious but then disappears!

_feedback_

One thing I can't stand is music snobs. There are a lot on this thread by the look of things. Some posts have basically said "all pop music is shít". What a load of rubbish.

I enjoy a wide wide range of music. Some of that I have found all by myself (well done me). Some of that has been passed on through friends. Some of that has come from my Dads influence. Some of that has come from Simon Cowells influence. etc etc.

Big deal.

I like some pop songs. I think that S Club 7 "Don't Stop Movin' " is a great tune.

I think that people who go out of their way to throw names of obscure bands in my face are more fúcking annoying than Simon Cowell ever will be.

fakearms123

elviscostello wrote: »

One thing I can't stand is music snobs. There are a lot on this thread by the look of things. Some posts have basically said "all pop music is shít". What a load of rubbish.

I enjoy a wide wide range of music. Some of that I have found all by myself (well done me). Some of that has been passed on through friends. Some of that has come from my Dads influence. Some of that has come from Simon Cowells influence. etc etc.

Big deal.

I like some pop songs. I think that S Club 7 "Don't Stop Movin' " is a great tune.

I think that people who go out of their way to throw names of obscure bands in my face are more fúcking annoying than Simon Cowell ever will be.

Sorry I can understand your argument but you lose a lot of this argument with that S Club 7 statement

nullzero

The real problem with the music industry is the fact there has been so much great music released between the 1950's and the 1990's.
It's not possible to continue creating new genre's of music as well as top quality melodies, songs etc to populate them ad infinitum.

Music's settling into a fallow period which is probably to be expected.
Most "proper" bands these days are dull and unadventurous when compared to their counterparts from previous era's and pop music is as formulaic and bland as ever.

Simon Cowell isn't someone I'm fond of, but then I don't pay much attention to him or the "artists" he promotes.
He saw his window of opportunity, took it and made heaps of money in the process.
He's not a nice person and I dont like what he's up to, but then if there were any decent non manufactured bands out there people wouldn't have to be making do with the crap Cowell is pumping out.

_feedback_

fakearms123 wrote: »

Sorry I can understand your argument but you lose a lot of this argument with that S Club 7 statement

It's a good pop song! Simple as that.

bonerm

I love how the majority of music listeners in the past 10 years get all or at least some of their music from illegal downloading and then decide to complain when Simon Cowells unit-shifting crap takes centre stage. That's how business works.

I'd love to know how much people on these threads have actually spent on music this year vs say 5 or 10 years ago?

AgileMyth

The problem is that the music industry targets teenagers. And teenagers will blindly buy whatever the industry throws at them. Every generation's teenagers have their own genre of music, from rock n roll, punk, 80's Glam, grunge/resurgence of rock. The current 'in' thing seems to be good looking girls who can't sing.

The current music 'scene' is holding back genuinley talented musicians. It'll come around, what we need is one brilliant band to lead the way.

30txsbzmcu2k9w

elviscostello wrote: »

One thing I can't stand is music snobs. There are a lot on this thread by the look of things. Some posts have basically said "all pop music is shít". What a load of rubbish.

I enjoy a wide wide range of music. Some of that I have found all by myself (well done me). Some of that has been passed on through friends. Some of that has come from my Dads influence. Some of that has come from Simon Cowells influence. etc etc.

Big deal.

I like some pop songs. I think that S Club 7 "Don't Stop Movin' " is a great tune.

I think that people who go out of their way to throw names of obscure bands in my face are more fúcking annoying than Simon Cowell ever will be.

I think people who go out of their way to throw the names of cheesy manufactured pop groups from 10 years ago in my face are fúcking annoying too.

Kitch value does not equate to good music.

Whether you the think it's snobby or not the vast majority of pop music is formulaic tripe dreamed up by a boardroom of accountants and marketing gurus.

KeithAFC

You just have to watch the X Factor to see how edited it is, how set up it is. Millions of people actually think thats how it happens..