Global Village on Newstalk

BillyBobBS

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Two annoying attention seekers removed from their regular Newstalk slots in the space of a month. Now that's a result.

Newstalk defo moving in the right direction. If they can get rid of Chris Donoghue and Coleman then i might start listening again.

wnolan1992

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Newstalk defo moving in the right direction. If they can get rid of Chris Donoghue and Coleman then i might start listening again.

"Right" being the operative word.



:pac: :pac: :pac: :pac:

Sorry, I don't actually believe that, it was just too easy a joke.

The Specialist

For anyone feeling sorry for her, and not familiar with Victim Village, go back and read the very first post in this thread. That sums up the whole show week in, week out. Nothing to be missed.

Benildus

captain caveman wrote: »

Good old Dill and Victim Village...

This quote from the early pages deserves re-quoting

seachto7

Surely a show for a few hours per week could be picked up by another national or regional station?
What would her wage have been for that show that she couldn't get somewhere else?
She could start a podcast and then get a true figure on how big her audience is.
Victim Village. Hilarious.

wnolan1992

seachto7 wrote: »

Surely a show for a few hours per week could be picked up by another national or regional station?
What would her wage have been for that show that she couldn't get somewhere else?
She could start a podcast and then get a true figure on how big her audience is.
Victim Village. Hilarious.

It could, but would another station take a punt on her?

Look, radio stations are corporate entities. Would they want someone in the fold who is likely to take a vocal stand against something that happens in the company?

Leave aside whether or not you agree with Dil or not on GH. That's irrelevant here. The company made one decision, Dil disagreed and came out publicly against it.

It's like the Second Captains lads. They made a fairly reasonable request to test out their show in front of the wider drivetime audience (remember, management would later go on to do this with Continuity-OTB). Management refused, the lads walked or were pushed out the door as a result.

Rightly or wrongly, they damaged their employment prospects by doing this. As Dil has here.

Conservative

As others have said the premise of the show is a good one and could make for an interesting show if it was more broadly focused and less negative about everything and anything Irish.

I haven't listened in about 5 years but judging by what I have seen of her since then nothing has changed.

I recently read here that she was once "homeless". Hilarious. Is there any misery fest she won't join?

Delighted. It couldn't happen to a more deserving person.

GottaLaugh

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

She says in this video that she was "reaching" 300,000 people on this video (from 2012).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mYwZc4qnfM

In roughly her own words from 17 seconds into the video:
For me (in Ireland) there is a triple glazed ceiling. I'm a woman, I'm a migrant and a lesbian. I'm here to tick all your equal opportunities boxes. Three minorities in one.

Women being a minority :rolleyes:

As a radio presenter she is amateur at best.
She never did more that "highlight" an issue, never a proper examination, always an unengaging, one note, drum-beating.

My impression of her as a public figure is that she defines herself as a one-dimensional oppressor fighter. I think most of the posters on here doubt (not her sincerity) but the reality of her oppression, especially in modern Dublin. Its a convenient shtick, out of which she managed to establish a career. It is in her personal interests to maximize perceived oppression.

Why? So she can occupy the high moral ground, excuse personal failures and dismiss even valid criticism (hate speech/racism/misogyny/homophobia) plus make a living. All she need to do is be a migrant lesbian. Cool trick.

Tombo2001

GottaLaugh wrote: »

In roughly her own words from 17 seconds into the video:
For me (in Ireland) there is a triple glazed ceiling. I'm a woman, I'm a migrant and a lesbian. I'm here to tick all your equal opportunities boxes. Three minorities in one.

Women being a minority :rolleyes:

She doesn't have to be referring to the wider population when referring to women as a 'minority'.

One could equally be referring to positions of power and influence....

Such as executive boardrooms.....no Irish bank has ever had a woman CEO.

Such as government.....like the current government for example.

Such as in the media.....no need to extrapolate on this one.

Nekarsulm

Given Newstalks penchant for putting untested presenters into the hot seat, and given the ongoing rumblings about inequality within the stations presenters along male/female lines, why not try some of the producers in Dil's slot?
We are told that 10 out of 11 producers at the station are female, so if Dil, Paul W's and a few other male presenters were replaced by the female producers and hire men as replacements for them, it would start to balance up the sex's ratio at Marconi House.
Taa daa! Everyone happy

Benildus

Tombo2001 wrote: »

She doesn't have to be referring to the wider population when referring to women as a 'minority'.

One could equally be referring to positions of power and influence....

Such as executive boardrooms.....no Irish bank has ever had a woman CEO.

Such as government.....like the current government for example.

Such as in the media.....no need to extrapolate on this one.

BOI's new CEO is female

seachto7

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

This ^^
The mind boggles that they gave people like Paul Williams, Alan Quinlan, Woolly Parkinson, Ciara Kelly and Bobby Kerr presenting jobs. Ivan Yates just about gets away with it I think. It's as if they favour quasi famous people over presenters who are good at what they do. Are there no presenters on local radio who could make the step up, for example? Journalism graduates? Outcasts from RTÉ?

Parkinson is a journo graduate. If you are good at presenting or writing, it shouldn't matter whether you have a qualification or not.
That's like saying everyone who comes out of the BIMM college deserves to make it in music..

daheff

Tombo2001 wrote: »

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Such as executive boardrooms.....no Irish bank has ever had a woman CEO.
.

Eh ...BOI have - Francesca McDonagh

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/bank-of-ireland-names-highranking-female-banker-as-new-ceo-35728385.html

Loafing Oaf

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

This ^^
The mind boggles that they gave people like Paul Williams, Alan Quinlan, Woolly Parkinson, Ciara Kelly and Bobby Kerr presenting jobs. Ivan Yates just about gets away with it I think. It's as if they favour quasi famous people over presenters who are good at what they do. Are there no presenters on local radio who could make the step up, for example? Journalism graduates? Outcasts from RTÉ?

It's not 'as if,' that is actually their policy. Like I was saying in another thread, it's not what I'm looking for in a radio presenter but I understand why they do it...

Tombo2001

daheff wrote: »

Eh ...BOI have - Francesca McDonagh

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/bank-of-ireland-names-highranking-female-banker-as-new-ceo-35728385.html

Fair enough, she started 4 days ago.

Nonetheless the point firmly stands as women are in an extreme minority in senior management positions in large Irish companies.

Including in Bank of Ireland where the new CEO is one of 2 women on a 12 person board.

suicide_circus

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Fair enough, she started 4 days ago.

Nonetheless the point firmly stands as women are in an extreme minority in senior management positions in large Irish companies.

Including in Bank of Ireland where the new CEO is one of 2 women on a 12 person board.

Dats on account of de childer

Calhoun

The Specialist wrote: »

I say this from a purely personal viewpoint and experience - I hope I never again have to deal with a female CEO/VP.

My company had a female VP for 2 years - one of the vilest, most horrible, ignorant human beings I have ever had the misfortune to meet. Nearly 120 staff left entirely due to her and the disgusting attitude she held towards everyone who reported in to her. So my personal viewpoint is now tarnished beyond repair when it comes to this topic of discussion.

Women who think "bitch mode" is a professional or decent way to conduct themselves, should be kept far away from managing any sort of project. It doesn't seem to ever occur with male management staff, funny that.

Mod note to thread: Cut the gender bashing unless you want a ban.

Have personally had allot of female managers and had completely the opposite experience, in fact I would go as far as saying I developed allot more under them than men.

However this statement is sexist one bad manager doesn't make up an entire sex of people.

Ok guys, lets keep the conversation to the topic at hand and veer away from anyone's gender, please and thanks.

CatFromHue

While I don't want to disagree with a mod in their forum I did laugh when you said not to talk about gender in a thread about the Global Village show :pac::D:D

Calhoun

Here is hoping they do keep a slot like this in place in the radio and look to improve it.

Funny thing is i normally love this type of radio, i was a big fan of the old talking history program (not sure if its still going) and i did listen to this program at one time.

I think however to do the program justice it may mean moving it out of the wilderness of the weekend and maybe do during a weeknight slot at some point ,you might get some better folk to interview.

southstar

GottaLaugh wrote: »

In roughly her own words from 17 seconds into the video:
For me (in Ireland) there is a triple glazed ceiling. I'm a woman, I'm a migrant and a lesbian. I'm here to tick all your equal opportunities boxes. Three minorities in one.

Women being a minority :rolleyes:

As a radio presenter she is amateur at best.
She never did more that "highlight" an issue, never a proper examination, always an unengaging, one note, drum-beating.

My impression of her as a public figure is that she defines herself as a one-dimensional oppressor fighter. I think most of the posters on here doubt (not her sincerity) but the reality of her oppression, especially in modern Dublin. Its a convenient shtick, out of which she managed to establish a career. It is in her personal interests to maximize perceived oppression.

Why? So she can occupy the high moral ground, excuse personal failures and dismiss even valid criticism (hate speech/racism/misogyny/homophobia) plus make a living. All she need to do is be a migrant lesbian. Cool trick.

I think the target audience of the show was minorities and although well intentioned Id say that many found it a bit tiresome.For fun she should have include the "its PC gone mad brigade " brigade...equally tiresome and repetitive but it would be fun for a while

Lt Dan

When you publicly REFUSE to continue to Work for your paymaster, over a condition/issue that has absolutely nothing to do with your ability to work (in fact, it makes for content on your show) and you do so publicly, how on earth could Dil be surprised that the show finally was put out of its misery?

She more or less repudiated her working relationship with NT by that stupid tweet

Not content with having to deal with the George Hook Affair and the now Political Editor playing judge and jury and making unauthorized statements days later , which could have seriously prejudice NT in their ability to ensure that Hook got due process , they had to deal with Dil publicly threatening to quit . She called NT's bluff and she lost! By all means , call their bluff, but do not do it publicly.

She would have seen how the Old Off The Ball Team fared when they called Dinny's bluff when looking for better time slot. Another station might have given in. They handed in their resignation or threatened to do so, and I doubt they expected to have it accepted. They most certainly did not expect to be on "gardening leave" (a term they enjoyed at the time of ex Hull City FC manager issue)

Remember the Old OTB Weekday team was the award winning and massive crowd pulling OTB Team and probably the best thing about NT at the time, the group that had any sponsor willing to have their business associated with it,

Dill played with fire and got burned. She had a nice little gig (no one with a brain cell would have her on air at another station, and she knows this , since she was willing to do her show on the cheap ) and got away with poor production , poor presenting and poor listernership . She knows well that the public reaction would be very negative if she tries to pull the "woe me , I am a lady" or "freedom of speech" stunt.

Lt Dan

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

That was a very gracious statement by DW, for such a sudden end to a person's career. I say this as a regular user like everyone else, not as a radio mod, but there's a special place in hell for anyone dancing on the grave of someone who's just lost their job and has young children to raise.

I occasionally listened to the show, although I wasn't the biggest fan of how its content was handled. At its worst, Global Village was an echo chamber, devoid of all serious debate. But at its best, it was a genuinely interesting series that shone a spotlight on a more diverse, outward-looking society that we should strive for.

I might try track down some listeners hip figures tonight. I can't have been the only one, nor among the only handful, who tuned in.

Notwithstanding my reservations about how the show handled its content, I think the Irish radio landscape is all the duller without this weekly show. It did no harm, certainly not enough to merit the berating it got. This country would be a far more positive place if we had a few more Dill Wickramesinghes about.

1. Hell is a fairy tale

2. She had zero issue lobbying for the removal of a colleague, she even publicly refused to work because of it. That alone is grounds for dismissal, especially at the crisis point that NT were at

3. Problem with Dil was, people saw her stunt for what it was. NT listeners made it very clear , on social media that she ought to proceed with her threat to quit as she would not be missed. Problem with Dil and her effort to get a colleague fired was, she is no Pat Kenny or other big star, whom , had they threatened to quit, might have made NT sit up and take notice.

4.She got what she deserved, she should have thought about the kid before her stunt , so dance away lads

5 "This country would be a far more positive place if we had a few more Dill Wickramesinghes about"

Explain that. Dil's rants are far from positive in fact. They achieve NOTHING

Lt Dan

reg114 wrote: »

A bit petty of newstalk to fire her. Hardly anyone would be listening at that time and station bosses had no problem for a decade. Surely the ceo has bigger problems to worry about ie breakfast

She publicly refused to continue her job. That seems a pretty good ground to get rid of her. She did nothing to help the station while they were in a crisis, in fact, she sought to worsen the problem .. There is only going to be one outcome after that. In fact, it was predicted

"Surely the ceo has bigger problems to worry about ie breakfast"

Dil sought , whether intentionally or not, to undermine the CEO with her public refusal to work. The George Hook crisis actually made the CEO look very bad and they clearly have shown to be incapable of controlling the staff at NT. Chris Donoghue also undermined the CEO with his comments that weekend. That was not his position at the time, but, he "didn't want to be a hero". Poor Chris ignored the fact that there was a serious issue of the requirement of due process for any investigation or disciplinary action.

Hopefully, Donoghue's head will be next. If Dinny saw sense, the CEO would be asked to follow

Lt Dan

RayM wrote: »

A lot of perennially offended "white male victims" (i.e. at least 90% of the radio forum) really hated that show because the tedious dullards can't handle listening to anything that doesn't fit in with their rotten prejudiced view of the world. In responding to the George Hook saga by keeping him, banning Irish Times journalists from all their shows and cancelling Global Village, it's pretty clear that Newstalk is firmly pitching itself towards that (thankfully) dying breed. Expect to hear them airing a lot more adverts for viagra, denture adhesive and gout medication in the future.

Having deservedly insulted almost everyone on this grim echo chamber of a forum, I have to agree that it was never a great show. The odd interesting piece, but too much rambling. Whether the host is a flatulent rugby club bore or a Sri Lankan lesbian, I really don't like it when they have their own monologue at the start of a show.

Let us put a scenario here:

You run a project or business. You are in a spot of firefighting because of the actions of one member of staff. It has the risk of losing money and contracts.

The last thing you want is another member of staff bringing up their own motives and causing more headaches. It is one thing to be handed an ultimatum , and another to do so publicly. You are completely undermined and have proven that you can not control the staff. A member of staff has refused to come back to work. The complaints that she raised have nothing to do with her ability to work.

What do you do?

Legally, that member of staff probably has handed to grounds to sack them , on a plate.

And, we have not even touched on their failure to deliver results eg sponsors and listeners and income from texts

Nah, you have put zero thought into your rant.

[MOD: SNIP]

But come on: Justify your statement

"the tedious dullards can't handle listening"

Well, actually, dear, poor Dil is incapable of holding her ground in an argument. Most reasonably informed and intelligent people could rip her arguments apart. She did generalisation , that never works. In fact, George Hook made a complete clown of her when she was last doing a segment with her about gender of her child.

"listening to anything that doesn't fit in with their rotten prejudiced view of the world"

Give three examples from this thread alone.

"banning Irish Times journalists from all their shows and cancelling Global Village, it's pretty clear that Newstalk is firmly pitching itself towards that (thankfully) dying breed."

Dying? Bless!

Last I checked, the majority commenting were at odds with a minority of vocal commentators during the G Hook affair.

Newstalk is a private business. It's aim is to make money and get listeners. Global Village royally failed to achieve that in spectacular form over the 10 odd years on air. Her show was far from "global" either. Most shows get cancelled. She repudiated her contract by publicly refusing to work..there was only ever going to be one outcome.

As for Irish Times, well, they ought to look at their own personnel, how many women journalists do they have? I don't count opinion pieces as journalism .Again, Time is a RIVAL to the Indo . In fact, despite the ever changing print media business, it is the Irish Times that has fallen spectacularly in readers. So much for their champagne socialism agenda setting ways!

MOD: Banned

Keep it civil guys. Stop going on about gender. No personal abuse. it's so easy.

Lt Dan

Billgirlylegs wrote: »

I think the concept of the how was OK. Minorities describing their experiences settling / working in this country.
This kind of vox pop is generally interesting. Made stars over the years of Paddy O Gorman, Paschall Sheehy/Marian Finucane/ Joe Duffy / Henry McKean.

I put in a fair few Saturdays working in splendid isolation listening to the radio. Newstalk had a decent mix and I could leave it on all dayOff the Ball / Movie Show then Global Village.
Problem is it - Gobal Village - was unlistenable due to presentation style, so I would switch off and listen to music.

I wouldn't have thought I was hard to please, but could not listen to the presenter.

When did Henry McKean ever become a Star? Under the Covers? ha. Is that still on?

Lt Dan

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Thats completely subjective, I would say the same about Paul Williams, Ivan Yates, George Hook and Ger Gilroy. As mentioned she got good listenership for time of week.

Ger Gilroy , was and is heavily involved in the back room team of an award winning show. It was his brain child. The presenting part is weak enough, but he is going no where. I actually referred him at the weekend. That was brilliant radio , with a round table talk to sports people just before a game.

Conservative

Lt Dan wrote: »

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

That was a very gracious statement by DW, for such a sudden end to a person's career. I say this as a regular user like everyone else, not as a radio mod, but there's a special place in hell for anyone dancing on the grave of someone who's just lost their job and has young children to raise.

I occasionally listened to the show, although I wasn't the biggest fan of how its content was handled. At its worst, Global Village was an echo chamber, devoid of all serious debate. But at its best, it was a genuinely interesting series that shone a spotlight on a more diverse, outward-looking society that we should strive for.

I might try track down some listeners hip figures tonight. I can't have been the only one, nor among the only handful, who tuned in.

Notwithstanding my reservations about how the show handled its content, I think the Irish radio landscape is all the duller without this weekly show. It did no harm, certainly not enough to merit the berating it got. This country would be a far more positive place if we had a few more Dill Wickramesinghes about.

5 "This country would be a far more positive place if we had a few more Dill Wickramesinghes about"

Explain that. Dil's rants are far from positive in fact. They achieve NOTHING

Jesus. I think I'd take a one way trip to North Korea rather than live in a country full of Dils.

L1011

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Such as executive boardrooms.....no Irish bank has ever had a woman CEO.

Google Gillian Bowler...

Newscorps stations in Dublin have a female CEO and a female news editor as it happens

southstar

Lt Dan wrote: »

Let us put a scenario here:

You run a project or business. You are in a spot of firefighting because of the actions of one member of staff. It has the risk of losing money and contracts.

The last thing you want is another member of staff bringing up their own motives and causing more headaches. It is one thing to be handed an ultimatum , and another to do so publicly. You are completely undermined and have proven that you can not control the staff. A member of staff has refused to come back to work. The complaints that she raised have nothing to do with her ability to work.

What do you do?

Legally, that member of staff probably has handed to grounds to sack them , on a plate.

And, we have not even touched on their failure to deliver results eg sponsors and listeners and income from texts

Nah, you have put zero thought into your rant.

[MOD: SNIP]

But come on: Justify your statement

"the tedious dullards can't handle listening"

Well, actually, dear, poor Dil is incapable of holding her ground in an argument. Most reasonably informed and intelligent people could rip her arguments apart. She did generalisation , that never works. In fact, George Hook made a complete clown of her when she was last doing a segment with her about gender of her child.

"listening to anything that doesn't fit in with their rotten prejudiced view of the world"

Give three examples from this thread alone.

"banning Irish Times journalists from all their shows and cancelling Global Village, it's pretty clear that Newstalk is firmly pitching itself towards that (thankfully) dying breed."

Dying? Bless!

Last I checked, the majority commenting were at odds with a minority of vocal commentators during the G Hook affair.

Newstalk is a private business. It's aim is to make money and get listeners. Global Village royally failed to achieve that in spectacular form over the 10 odd years on air. Her show was far from "global" either. Most shows get cancelled. She repudiated her contract by publicly refusing to work..there was only ever going to be one outcome.

As for Irish Times, well, they ought to look at their own personnel, how many women journalists do they have? I don't count opinion pieces as journalism .Again, Time is a RIVAL to the Indo . In fact, despite the ever changing print media business, it is the Irish Times that has fallen spectacularly in readers. So much for their champagne socialism agenda setting ways!

MOD: Banned

Keep it civil guys. Stop going on about gender. No personal abuse. it's so easy.

Where did you 'check' the support for/against Hook.. BOARDS..?? (Ahem)... I posted to support him but felt my opinion was very much the minority one.
As for GV I don't believe it was ever conceived as a money
spinning audience magnet.. almost by definition.. it catered for minority interests...perhaps a sop to public service broadcasting hencet it's lonely isolation in the schedule. Myself it was only barely less entertaining than a Sunday afternoon broadcast of an Everton, /Swansea match.
I can only name three IT journalists.. Una Mullaley, Mriam Lord and Fintan O Toole.. It would have been educational had you enlightened us further on their supposed bias against recruiting women.... or indeed given us your opinion on their banishment from NT. Just wondering like...