The door-to-door / commission-only jobs thread (super dooper mega merge)

lizzyxox08

hiya did any of you work for one of these companies before?? jus wanna know a bit about them??

mary.

This work involves being the slave labourer at the bottom end of a huge pyramid scheme. Only the strangest or most sales orientated people will stay. Horrible horrible setup.

Mr. Loverman

Their job adverts are totally misleading, and they hide the fact that you have to work for free.

Protea are also known as impala direct.

hello932

Was disappointed that todays prime time on rte didnt mention protea direct as they promised but rather was a generic stab at pyramid schemes.

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Dr.Giggles

hello932 wrote: »

Was disappointed that todays prime time on rte didnt mention protea direct as they promised but rather was a generic stab at pyramid schemes.

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God damn, I was really looking forward to seeing that . I used to (a couple of years ago for a short period of time :P) be a receptionist for a company like this , and let me tell you.... the things I was asked to do, and the things I had to put up with you would not believe. I was behind the scenes somewhat so I knew exactly what kind of financial position the company was in, and everyday I would here the boss tell the people working there how they would be making millions in a year if they stuck with it. I made it my business before I left to tell everyone who was working there everything I knew about the inner goings on.

Some people do make a good bit of money doing it, but those are few and far between, most of the people there were losing money everyday traveling around the bloody place.

It wasn't my finest moment being associated with a company like that, but hey i actually got paid weekly. It was a short stint to say the least.

Would have loved to have seen Prime Time name and shame all the companies like this.

poncho000

Anybody had any dealings with S&S installations?? I have an interview with them tomorrow and am worried. They say they sell for SKY but would like to have that confirmed

whirlpool

Is it bothering anybody else that when you search for jobs in Dublin on Jobs.ie that the results page is saturated with the scam-artist companies who claim to be "Marketing companies?" A few years ago, over the space of two years, I went for three interviews with these companies. Yes I may have been stupid to keep falling for it, but I eventually learned my lesson. And in my defense, the three companies had listed themselves under different names.

My main issue with them now is that they take up about half of the Jobs.ie listings pages.

They are coming under new names all the time; the common denominator being that their new names are always very dramatic, epic and purposely "cool-"sounding, which I can only assume is to dredge in the vulnerable and easily-impressed (as I once was.)

At the moment, they are going under the following names:

Intense Marketing
ACT Marketing Direct
Field Management Ireland
Roar Promotions
Vero Solutions Ltd
Clearwater Advertising
Carpe Diem
Impala Direct Ltd
ONYX Marketing
Majestic Marketing
Giraffe Marketing
[edit] also Spire Marketing (which this thread reminded me of. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055864600)
etc etc etc

And yes they are all the same company. And the only company who even during the recession are constantly hiring "25 PEOPLE NOW!!!" and with "NO QUALIFICATION REQUIRED!!!!" *Alarm Bells*

The job ads suggest you're going to be working in marketing. What you are going to be doing, to be more precise, is going door-to-door trying to sell people stuff. I know, I fell for it three times (although never once went back for a second "interview," despite being called for one each time.)

I remember about a year ago there was a radio phone-in show where loads of people were ringing up complaining about this company (sorry - "these companies"), about how newly-hired "staff" showed up and were made go door-to-door after being told they were going to be doing something different, and then not even getting paid. etc etc...

In each of the interviews I went for, they told me I would be a manager within 9 months. *More ALARM BELLS*

Anyway, I'm over it. I just WISH Jobs.ie would stop letting them clog up their website!!! It's wrecking my head while I'm trying to search through the jobs listings.

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Mod note from this post:

Eoin wrote:

All the door-to-door/commission-only job threads are being moved into one thread from now on.

Please consider the words you use; we would rather we can keep these threads open, but if people continue to throw around libellous terms, then the threads will just have to be locked.

AnnyHallsal

I'd say Giraffe Marketing is real enough. I saw girls driving around in one of their cars in Ranelagh handing out bags of Haribo, so they definitely do some promotional work.

Sgt. Bilko 09

D7 marketing are the worst.
I got the job for them they told me i was starting on a monday few months back as a Administrative/Cleric.
Long story short!!!
I ended up in monaghan with a car load of people with cases full of veronica jackson make up selling it on doors.
Warning to all use my expeirence as an eample because its true.

overeager

I totally agree OP, jobs.ie should sort it out!

One surefire way of knowing is to ring them up, they usually refuse to explain what the job is. It was actually quite funny how hard they tried to avoid answering a simple question.

Everyone should ring up and organise fake interviews to waste their time as they have wasted many job-seekers' time.

Yourwellcum

AnnyHallsal wrote: »

I'd say Giraffe Marketing is real enough. I saw girls driving around in one of their cars in Ranelagh handing out bags of Haribo, so they definitely do some promotional work.

Giraffe is real, not actually a bad company to work for

whirlpool

Yourwellcum wrote: »

Giraffe is real, not actually a bad company to work for

Yes, the companies are real. Nobody was exactly suggesting they were imaginary...

AnnyHallsal

whirlpool wrote: »

Yes, the companies are real. Nobody was exactly suggesting they were imaginary...

Eh, yeah ...

I was pointing out that, from my experience, Giraffe shouldn't be lumped in with Spire/Onyx etc.

Sgt. Bilko 09

Not taking any sides here but think giraffe are a bit better than the rest of that crowd BUT i wouldn't consider working for them or ask anyone too.

helimachoptor

Vero Solutions Ltd is a proper company and quite a innovative and successful one at that, i'd be removing that one from your list.

And no i dont work for them.

AnnyHallsal

Yeah, I've had a negative experience with the one on Capel St., and there is a legitimate point to be made, but I think it's diluted by mixing up different kinds of company. The "self-employed," "door-to-door" brigade are different to companies who employ promo girls at regular rates etc.

Eoin

Are they actually "scams" though, or just really shìt jobs?

Trashbat

eoin wrote: »

Are they actually "scams" though, or just really shìt jobs?

Nail on the head there. While its a little deceptive when they advertise, at the end of the day, its the prospective employees responsibility to find out what they're letting themselves in for.

Obviously there's the whole issue of being self employed etc.... but realistically, I'd research any job i was going for, and turn down one i didnt agree with.

Sgt. Bilko 09

AnnyHallsal wrote: »

Yeah, I've had a negative experience with the one on Capel St., and there is a legitimate point to be made, but I think it's diluted by mixing up different kinds of company. The "self-employed," "door-to-door" brigade are different to companies who employ promo girls at regular rates etc.

D7 is the worst i hate them.:mad:

poncho000

does anybody have any experience with company called s&s installations? They are on jobs.ie but in fariness they are not hiding the fact that they are door to door. Just looking for some feedback on them

muboop1

AnnyHallsal wrote: »

I'd say Giraffe Marketing is real enough. I saw girls driving around in one of their cars in Ranelagh handing out bags of Haribo, so they definitely do some promotional work.

They are real, they run various projects. Main example is I know they used to run the sky stands in the shopping centers ( I used to work for them)

whirlpool

AnnyHallsal wrote: »

Eh, yeah ...

I was pointing out that, from my experience, Giraffe shouldn't be lumped in with Spire/Onyx etc.

Eh hang on a minute. They are all part of the same company, so yes they most definitely should be lumped in together. How can you rationally dispute this?

Do you actually have any experience with the rest of the companies? Or are you just guessing that they are not like Giraffe?

Regarding the question of whether they are scams are not, here is your answer: Divisions of this company (under different names) are known to advertise a job position. People have gone in for interviews for this position and have then been hired for that position, and when it comes to doing the job it turns out to be a different job to what they were interviewed for. FACT. They have also hired staff and got them to do work, and then not paid them. FACT.

So yes it is "really sh1t" work, and they have also scammed potential employees. FACT.

So there's your answer.

The fact that there are people who have been employed by Giraffe and have enjoyed working with them does not change any of these facts, no matter how much you may like it to.

whirlpool

helimachoptor wrote: »

Vero Solutions Ltd is a proper company and quite a innovative and successful one at that, i'd be removing that one from your list.

And no i dont work for them.

Removing them from the list? Why is that? Are they not part of the same company that the rest of them came from, no? So tell me, where did Vero Solutions come from?

whirlpool

Trashbat wrote: »

Nail on the head there. While its a little deceptive when they advertise, at the end of the day, its the prospective employees responsibility to find out what they're letting themselves in for.

It is indeed the prospective employee's responsibility to find out what they are letting themselves in for. The problem arises when they do the research and are provided with incorrect information. i.e. they are scammed. as has happened with this company which is divided into many subdivisions going under the names I listed.

xtradel

Travelled from Galway to Dublin for an interview with Field management ireland and never got a yay or nay from them even after e-mailing the person who carried out the interview AND the managing director!! Another €50 down the swanny :mad:

AnnyHallsal

whirlpool wrote: »

Eh hang on a minute. They are all part of the same company, so yes they most definitely should be lumped in together. How can you rationally dispute this?

Do you actually have any experience with the rest of the companies? Or are you just guessing that they are not like Giraffe?

Regarding the question of whether they are scams are not, here is your answer: Divisions of this company (under different names) are known to advertise a job position. People have gone in for interviews for this position and have then been hired for that position, and when it comes to doing the job it turns out to be a different job to what they were interviewed for. FACT. They have also hired staff and got them to do work, and then not paid them. FACT.

So yes it is a "really sh1t" work, and they have also scammed potential employees. FACT.

So there's your answer.

The fact that there are people who have been employed by Giraffe and have enjoyed working with them does not change any of these facts, no matter how much you may like it to.

This is a completely unbalanced response. I have no vested interest in this subject, couldn't care less if all of these were closed down tomorrow. Are you saying all of the names mentioned in the OP are subdivisions of the same company?

whirlpool

AnnyHallsal wrote: »

This is a completely unbalanced response. I have no vested interest in this subject, couldn't care less if all of these were closed down tomorrow. Are you saying all of the names mentioned in the OP are subdivisions of the same company?

It is entirely balanced. You were suggesting that just because you have had a positive experience with Giraffe, that that means they aren't of the same breed. Yet, you seem to know nothing of the rest of the companies, thus deeming your claim entirely invalid.

And yes, all of the companies listed in the OP are subdivisions of the same company.

AnnyHallsal

whirlpool wrote: »

It is entirely balanced. You were suggesting that just because you have had a positive experience with Giraffe, that that means they aren't of the same breed. Yet, you seem to know nothing of the rest of the companies, thus deeming your claim entirely invalid.

And yes, all of the companies listed in the OP are subdivisions of the same company.

Actually I wasn't. There's no need to jump down people's throats just because they disagree with you. If you had read more carefully you would see that I have only an observer's experience of Giraffe, and I had an interview with D7. Does that mean my contribution is invalid? Which would suggest that you are thoroughly familiar with the operations of each of the subdivisions you listed.

helimachoptor

whirlpool wrote: »

Removing them from the list? Why is that? Are they not part of the same company that the rest of them came from, no? So tell me, where did Vero Solutions come from?

Vero Solutions (http://www.vero.ie/) are a reputable company and i have no idea why they are on your list. Yes the hire marketing people but they are proper jobs.

Live4Ever

These companies are wan**rs. I went for an interview and ended up walking around watching a guy sell airtricity. After 30mins I was like fcuk you I'm outta here!! He said he usually pulls in E120 on commission a day, but I found that very hard to believe.

They are a scam because they wont tell you what your doing until a few minutes before they send you out.

The guy who interviewed me was a creep and thought he was Bill Gates. HA! I pretty much laughed at hime when he offered me a job!

The company was ONYX.

Do yourself a favour and stay away!!

dreababyluxe

Have friends who work for Giraffe and I'd say they're a bit different to the other "businesses" you've listed. I have had interviews with some of those companies you mentioned tho and I do reckon the ones I encountered are scams and they do spam job sites - it's really annoying. Most their ads are recognisable tho, the same jibber jabber, "No Experience? No problem. Start a career in sales and marketing today." I just don't bother applying to them anymore. There's a few you haven't mentioned I've had interviews with, in Galway, Limerick and Cork but can't think of their names... PMD was one of them. It really p***es me off that they won't put up the employers name when they advertise either!

I've worked for Imagine Marketing and CMS Marketing tho, who are as far as I know along the same lines as Giraffe and were/still are fantastic to me as an employee, and the work is generally great fun!

dreababyluxe

PS I did a job once in Clonmel for Field Marketing Ireland distributing leaflets for carphone warehouse but I never got paid. Was owed about €400 too. It was back in about 2005/6.

CSF

There are definitely some people involved in these organisations posting in this thread.

Berty

Jobs.ie will not remove the ads anymore than Ebay will remove adverts from people selling fake Ralph Lauren Polo shirts.

Somebody has to make money and so long as the company is incorporated then why should Jobs.ie shun them.

Even during the "boom" years there were nasty jobs out there. Its only now when there are 500k people looking for jobs(maybe) that people notice how little good jobs are out there and fixate on these jobs.

Another example is Carzone. There is a company in North Dublin importing cars from the UK. Many of their cars are not even in Ireland. They have not even bought them. They will buy it if you but it off of them. If you do a search for BMWs on Carzone you get flooded with these cars which are not even for sale in this country. Will carzone do anything about it? They haven't.

So lets not expect Jobs.ie(whom have to make money) to do anything soon.

Yourwellcum

Dont understand why some people cant accept that Giraffe are nothing at all like the other companies metioned. They pay basic salaries plus commision for staff who run the kiosks. People here should check their facts.

CSF

Yourwellcum wrote: »

Dont understand why some people cant accept that Giraffe are nothing at all like the other companies metioned. They pay basic salaries plus commision for staff who run the kiosks. People here should check their facts.

Don't understand why you care so much, or do I?

dreababyluxe

OP what company are they all a sub division of?...

And I don't see why people on this site are obsessed of accusing people of being associated with X,Y and Z just cause they defend them. I really don't think giraffe could in any way be associated with the sorts of places we're discussing which I repeat I've been interviewed for and ran a mile from!!! They're sales jobs sugar coated as marketing posts IMO, and giraffe seem to be more of a promotional company who are upfront about the jobs, brief staff and pay hourly or daily rates going by what friends tell me...

Yourwellcum

CSF wrote: »

Don't understand why you care so much, or do I?

I previously worked for this company and I dont like to see genuine companies being lumped in with those who are part of the "Cobra" operation

bongi69

See here:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055734558

Protea direct are now trading as Impala.

As discussed in the thread above, a few of us (me included) were dragged around housing estates etc. etc., and the only recourse you can really have is taking a case with the ASAI, if the job ad is misleading or misinforming, as a number of us did, successfully.

I also made a complaint to Jobs.ie, and their general manager called me the next day to say that they are investigating the company involved, and had received correspondance from the ASAI.

robe4ie

Hey I worked for Roar promotions for a number of months. It's not a scam it's just a ridiculous job. You can earn up to like 600 a week, although that will probably happen once and some weeks you will make basically nothing. You pay all your own expenses (travel, credit, food), the job ends up costing you money some weeks. You work your basic 11 hours days (joke on the basic) and you're pretty much forced to work Saturdays or else "you won't be promoted". I was pretty good at sales but I still didn't make half as much money as I should of for the amount of hours I put in.
Do yourself a favour and get any other job. This job is an exception to the rule, Beggars CAN be choosers!

Also I work for Giraffe sometimes, they have nothing to do with Cobra and they pay well. Great company.

But if you go in to an interview and they tell you that you will have an unpaid training day walking around some dodgy estate in Tallaght in the lashing rain. Spend your bus money home on a bag of popcorn and walk home cause you'll probably find more money on the street than you'll make on your first week in these companies.

Good luck

lespoon

i got a call from "intense marketing" today saying i had an interview. anyone have experience with this group? is it worth the journey?

NR04

Yourwellcum wrote: »

Dont understand why some people cant accept that Giraffe are nothing at all like the other companies metioned. They pay basic salaries plus commision for staff who run the kiosks. People here should check their facts.

I thaught those people on the sky stands were only paid on commission??

Batiste

the only job scams i know of are fas and jobfit

muboop1

NR04 wrote: »

I thaught those people on the sky stands were only paid on commission??

Very random, this is a very old thread...

Em, no they aren't only paid on commission. I used to work in one of them stands (if you need proof go through my posts back a year or two and you will find someone caught me out on it)

From my memory i got paid like 10 or 12 an hr, plus commission. The commission was very hefty to, averaging 50 quid per transaction or so I think it was, but you didn't make a big number of sales 1 or 2 a day if lucky? but basic + would of been good enough reason to do the job tbh!,

Only bad point was, that the job got boring and lonely quite fast... oh and the one in stephens green was freezing!!! It's right beside the entrance doors, and the breeze through there is horrible!

Btw, I worked for Giraffe Promotions. Can personally vouch for them. That was the only job I worked for them, I done it for about 9 months or so? I don't know if they also have a door to door sales thing do.

They are based near UCD, think they worked under an umbrella though... creative solutions possibly?

Either way, I got a sweet job with them, got it from jobs.ie
That are decent.

*** EDIT not sure if its clear, but it was the sky job that was with Giraffe Promotions. I was contracted to Giraffe, who were contracted to Sky...

jackiemoon10

Any idea on the legitimacy of DB organisation? Stood up the Spire Marketing job interview the other day after reading this thread (sent them on a bit of a wild goose chase in galway), but also got an interview for DB organisation which seems very similar by its description on jobs.ie?

Tragedy

Impala Direct (as protea are now known) are still advertising jobs in the same way.

FayeRayRay

anyone know if Carpe Diem Marketing are dodgy ?

Clearpreso

I would be instantly suspicious of any organisation with such a cheesy name tbh. I suppose it oculd just be worth turning up for an interview if you get one (which you will), and if you hear something that you don't like, just walk out straight away!

City Boi

I applied for "marketing" jobs on jobs.ie before and ended up going door to door. However, I just finished reading through this thread and heard that some places aren't so bad, such as Giraffe and Vero, was just wondering though are they the type of jobs that tell you to 'apply today, start tomorrow'? or do you need lots of qualifications to join them|

ericdogg

Called for an interview 2mro!! Anyone know anything about them??