The door-to-door / commission-only jobs thread (super dooper mega merge)

allibastor

TireeTerror wrote: »

This is not true. Although they will deflect some bad publicity by explaining a particular issue was related to a subcontracted company, they are still ultimately responsible for their products being missold. Many companies have had to pay huge fines due to mis selling of their products by outside sales agencies.

Vodafone is the worst. Salessense actively encourage their sales staff to target people in areas with a poor internet connection, because they are desperate for an alternative they are much more likely to engage in dialogue. Then they intentionally mislead the customers telling them that Vodafone offer speeds of "X" when they know the speed is only going to be as fast as they currently get.

I know this for a fact as I sent someone there from my own company to go in as a new recruit and find out their processes. Even when that rep asked "But surely they wont get any faster than their line can handle?" they were told "You just tell the customer what they want to hear."

I might just send someone in with recording equipment the next time and see about getting that Vodafone contract removed from them. It disgusts me idiot cowboy companies like this who ruin an entire market by making decisions based on short term greed.

Vodafone are aware of these issues, but turn a blind eye because its a commercial decision and unless a customer really went all the way and escalated the complaint, no action would be taken. The reality is that sacking a rep would not solve the problem, they are being told from the highest level to mislead the customer.

Well that kind of matches to what I have said, they wont stop unless made to stop. They will just use a different company, or the sales company will change name, or maybe let go of a rep or two.
Ultimately Vodafone/Airtricity/Bord gais/ whomever else, will keep using these companies because it is a no win no fee sales solution. What does it matter to Vodafone if 100 young people are walking the streets every day with no sales, people will turn a blind eye to an aweful lot.

Lucy91

Hi All, i got a phone call today from a marketing firm called "Consultonomics" which is based in Georges Quay in Limerick. I am a student myself in UL and in desperate need of some cash for summer When I applied for the "student " role it stated 300 eur - 400 eur OTE a week . I would just like to hear from anyone who is working for Consultonomics or alredy did work for them. What was it like working there? Is it paid by commission? what does the actual job entail?

padma

Lucy91 wrote: »

Hi All, i got a phone call today from a marketing firm called "Consultonomics" which is based in Georges Quay in Limerick. I am a student myself in UL and in desperate need of some cash for summer When I applied for the "student " role it stated 300 eur - 400 eur OTE a week . I would just like to hear from anyone who is working for Consultonomics or alredy did work for them. What was it like working there? Is it paid by commission? what does the actual job entail?

It would be door to door commission OTE means On Target Earnings. Meaning if you meet their target you will earn a living wage, if you don't meet the target you will earn sweet fanny adams

Occono

Lucy91 wrote: »

Hi All, i got a phone call today from a marketing firm called "Consultonomics" which is based in Georges Quay in Limerick. I am a student myself in UL and in desperate need of some cash for summer When I applied for the "student " role it stated 300 eur - 400 eur OTE a week . I would just like to hear from anyone who is working for Consultonomics or alredy did work for them. What was it like working there? Is it paid by commission? what does the actual job entail?

Don't bother with them.

The Moldy Gowl

Consultonomics sounds like a name you would make up in transistion year when you are doing a project.
Nobody knows what it means but it is provacative.


Any one know anyone who went to one of their interviews? I have a friend who has an interview tomorrow.

Thank you for you're time on the phone. As discussed, based on your application we feel you would be an excellent candidate and it is my pleasure to confirm your appointment 15/07/2014 at 12:15 PM.
On arrival at our office,there is an intercom service at the main door. Ask for Samantha and you can use the elevator to go up to the 4th Floor. We are located on the left as you exit the elevator. Please bring a hard copy of your CV to attach to you're application. Also business attire is preferred.
Our Manager will then conduct a preliminary meeting, where you will be asked to provide an insight into your previous roles and responsibilities and how those experiences could benefit our Company. We also want to discuss the role of the position with you, the hours we operate, the clients that we represent, the payment structures, the teaching and training that we provide to successful candidates and the different strategies and analogies that the company use with a brief history of our time in business. We really want to make sure that you as a person are a suitable fit for the role and us as a company are a good fit for you as a person.

Im guessing its a load of ****e and walking around houseing estates selling house alarms and you need to sell x amount to earn your 300/400?

Are you techically self employed with this crowd and are a contracter with them?

statomosh

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Consultonomics sounds like a name you would make up in transistion year when you are doing a project.
Nobody knows what it means but it is provacative.


Any one know anyone who went to one of their interviews? I have a friend who has an interview tomorrow.



Im guessing its a load of ****e and walking around houseing estates selling house alarms and you need to sell x amount to earn your 300/400?

Are you techically self employed with this crowd and are a contracter with them?

Consultomics are part of perdm.they were CmS aquistions until a couple of months ago and mkm direct before that.paid only commission,classed as self employed.long hours knocking on doors six days a week.

whirlpool

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Thank you for you're time on the phone. As discussed, based on your application we feel you would be an excellent candidate and it is my pleasure to confirm your appointment 15/07/2014 at 12:15 PM.
On arrival at our office,there is an intercom service at the main door. Ask for Samantha and you can use the elevator to go up to the 4th Floor. We are located on the left as you exit the elevator. Please bring a hard copy of your CV to attach to you're application. Also business attire is preferred.
Our Manager will then conduct a preliminary meeting, where you will be asked to provide an insight into your previous roles and responsibilities and how those experiences could benefit our Company. We also want to discuss the role of the position with you, the hours we operate, the clients that we represent, the payment structures, the teaching and training that we provide to successful candidates and the different strategies and analogies that the company use with a brief history of our time in business. We really want to make sure that you as a person are a suitable fit for the role and us as a company are a good fit for you as a person.

:mad:

ThatFellaJohn

a lot of moaners on this Your fault, do your research.. I was being robbed blind by an Audi Dealership and they promised clearly a great salary and commission.. left out that you pay for your own tolls, Fuel, BIK and costs.. I Was coming out with about 1120 after all, each month saying that i worked 6 days a week and at least 12 hours a day so defo wasnt worth it. I started with one of the above mentioned (not getting sacked for saying which one ha) nearly 3 months ago.. I knew what it was as the guy explained it to me simply over the phone and i really just went it as interview practise.. The interview was great and i had great banter with the office guys so i gave it a shot and last week i got 650 in my account and only worked 4 days (my record is 1200 in a week BTW).. If your a good worker and like a challenge then it will be rewarding but i have seen many who do fail but thats the same in most companies, most dopes dont know a work ethic is if smacked them in the gob lol. what pisses me off about these princesses who cry murder because their ego was dented because they were useless and made **** all would rather sponge off the dole and sit around doing nothing... These companies offer decent money if your good, they offer nothing but a chance if your ****e.. Makes sense to me

whirlpool

ThatFellaJohn wrote: »

a lot of moaners on this Your fault, do your research.. I was being robbed blind by an Audi Dealership and they promised clearly a great salary and commission.. left out that you pay for your own tolls, Fuel, BIK and costs.. I Was coming out with about 1120 after all, each month saying that i worked 6 days a week and at least 12 hours a day so defo wasnt worth it. I started with one of the above mentioned (not getting sacked for saying which one ha) nearly 3 months ago.. I knew what it was as the guy explained it to me simply over the phone and i really just went it as interview practise.. The interview was great and i had great banter with the office guys so i gave it a shot and last week i got 650 in my account and only worked 4 days (my record is 1200 in a week BTW).. If your a good worker and like a challenge then it will be rewarding but i have seen many who do fail but thats the same in most companies, most dopes dont know a work ethic is if smacked them in the gob lol. what pisses me off about these princesses who cry murder because their ego was dented because they were useless and made **** all would rather sponge off the dole and sit around doing nothing... These companies offer decent money if your good, they offer nothing but a chance if your ****e.. Makes sense to me

You have completely missed the point.

The problem people have with these companies is how they are explicitly misled to believing the job will be something it's not.

It's not the hard work, the sales, the hours, etc etc. It's the intentional misleading that goes on.

Oh and P.S. your post reads like one of those e-mails you get from Nigerian princes requesting your bank details in exchange for millions of dollars.

The Moldy Gowl

whirlpool wrote: »

You have completely missed the point.

The problem people have with these companies is how they are explicitly misled to believing the job will be something it's not.

It's not the hard work, the sales, the hours, etc etc. It's the intentional misleading that goes on.

Oh and P.S. your post reads like one of those e-mails you get from Nigerian princes requesting your bank details in exchange for millions of dollars.

You forgot to add a few misplaced lols

Fluxfan

Hey guys, was looking for an opinion on this. My sister in her early 20s has gotten involved with one of these d2d companies. She began off in one down the country where she met another girl involved in the same thing, who hooked her in. In the last year they have moved up north and my sister has now got her own company also (?). I'm worried about reading mentionings of brain washing on this thread...I knew something really funny was up.

She has come home to visit her parents about twice in the year, despite having been very close in the past. She does everything with the people she works with. Lives with, eats with, socialises with, holidays with them. She seems to move house a lot, always in with a new bunch of colleagues. The once I've seen her since she started all this she was banging on about the new BMW jeep that work would be getting for her, and trips to New York etc (hasn't happened yet). She seemed to be very intent on telling me how I should really invest in x,z,z, making me feel quite inferior. I think it may have been to her own inferiority though, trying to prove herself! Now she is saying apparently that she is going to LA indefinitely to "extend the business" with some colleagues.

What really goes on inside these companies?? Has she been feckin brainwashed and thats why she doesnt want anything to do with home anymore? She has lost touch with every single one of a large group of friends. Her new friends seem to fill her Facebook with sh1te like "so pumped for promotion today" and "this has made me a new person", "loving my life, so fulfilled" etc etc.


PS she is selling make up that they "exclusively distribute" in Ireland, should retail at 300 but she has it for 20. I wouldnt give it to a kid to play with it its so poor quality.

allibastor

Fluxfan wrote: »

Hey guys, was looking for an opinion on this. My sister in her early 20s has gotten involved with one of these d2d companies. She began off in one down the country where she met another girl involved in the same thing, who hooked her in. In the last year they have moved up north and my sister has now got her own company also (?). I'm worried about reading mentionings of brain washing on this thread...I knew something really funny was up.

She has come home to visit her parents about twice in the year, despite having been very close in the past. She does everything with the people she works with. Lives with, eats with, socialises with, holidays with them. She seems to move house a lot, always in with a new bunch of colleagues. The once I've seen her since she started all this she was banging on about the new BMW jeep that work would be getting for her, and trips to New York etc (hasn't happened yet). She seemed to be very intent on telling me how I should really invest in x,z,z, making me feel quite inferior. I think it may have been to her own inferiority though, trying to prove herself! Now she is saying apparently that she is going to LA indefinitely to "extend the business" with some colleagues.

What really goes on inside these companies?? Has she been feckin brainwashed and thats why she doesnt want anything to do with home anymore? She has lost touch with every single one of a large group of friends. Her new friends seem to fill her Facebook with sh1te like "so pumped for promotion today" and "this has made me a new person", "loving my life, so fulfilled" etc etc.


PS she is selling make up that they "exclusively distribute" in Ireland, should retail at 300 but she has it for 20. I wouldnt give it to a kid to play with it its so poor quality.

To be honest, yes she does sound very brainwashed. It is an unfortunate side effect of these places is that for people to really "succeed" you have to believe in the company and the product.
Ask her a simple question, how many houses does she own, what car she drives, and where how many 0's are there away from the decimal point on her bank account.
If she cant answer them with honesty you should point it out to her.

Fluxfan

allibastor wrote: »

To be honest, yes she does sound very brainwashed. It is an unfortunate side effect of these places is that for people to really "succeed" you have to believe in the company and the product.
Ask her a simple question, how many houses does she own, what car she drives, and where how many 0's are there away from the decimal point on her bank account.
If she cant answer them with honesty you should point it out to her.

Jaysus.
She's coy about how much money she makes. Jesus it wrecks my head that people can't see the wood from the trees on these kind of things....my mother thinks she's doing great for herself, too busy to come home sure!

allibastor

Fluxfan wrote: »

Jaysus.
She's coy about how much money she makes. Jesus it wrecks my head that people can't see the wood from the trees on these kind of things....my mother thinks she's doing great for herself, too busy to come home sure!

Unfortunately that does happen with these companies. I currently work in sales, get paid a decent wage and work normal hours, with odd exceptions.
I worked in one of these places before, my "manager" told me I wouldn't make a sales person as I was on board with selling.
I don't know what he is doing with himself now as he was run out of 2 offices before, last I heard had an office in Dublin doing direct sales.

All you can really say to her is that it is a job, no job is worth losing touch with your family and friends, but if she doesn't see that unfortunately she may need to see it all fall down around her before she wakes up.

SeanJ09

Fluxfan wrote: »

Hey guys, was looking for an opinion on this. My sister in her early 20s has gotten involved with one of these d2d companies. She began off in one down the country where she met another girl involved in the same thing, who hooked her in. In the last year they have moved up north and my sister has now got her own company also (?). I'm worried about reading mentionings of brain washing on this thread...I knew something really funny was up.

She has come home to visit her parents about twice in the year, despite having been very close in the past. She does everything with the people she works with. Lives with, eats with, socialises with, holidays with them. She seems to move house a lot, always in with a new bunch of colleagues. The once I've seen her since she started all this she was banging on about the new BMW jeep that work would be getting for her, and trips to New York etc (hasn't happened yet). She seemed to be very intent on telling me how I should really invest in x,z,z, making me feel quite inferior. I think it may have been to her own inferiority though, trying to prove herself! Now she is saying apparently that she is going to LA indefinitely to "extend the business" with some colleagues.

What really goes on inside these companies?? Has she been feckin brainwashed and thats why she doesnt want anything to do with home anymore? She has lost touch with every single one of a large group of friends. Her new friends seem to fill her Facebook with sh1te like "so pumped for promotion today" and "this has made me a new person", "loving my life, so fulfilled" etc etc.


PS she is selling make up that they "exclusively distribute" in Ireland, should retail at 300 but she has it for 20. I wouldnt give it to a kid to play with it its so poor quality.

Sounds like a cult!

shruikan2553

Fluxfan wrote: »

Hey guys, was looking for an opinion on this. My sister in her early 20s has gotten involved with one of these d2d companies. She began off in one down the country where she met another girl involved in the same thing, who hooked her in. In the last year they have moved up north and my sister has now got her own company also (?). I'm worried about reading mentionings of brain washing on this thread...I knew something really funny was up.

She has come home to visit her parents about twice in the year, despite having been very close in the past. She does everything with the people she works with. Lives with, eats with, socialises with, holidays with them. She seems to move house a lot, always in with a new bunch of colleagues. The once I've seen her since she started all this she was banging on about the new BMW jeep that work would be getting for her, and trips to New York etc (hasn't happened yet). She seemed to be very intent on telling me how I should really invest in x,z,z, making me feel quite inferior. I think it may have been to her own inferiority though, trying to prove herself! Now she is saying apparently that she is going to LA indefinitely to "extend the business" with some colleagues.

What really goes on inside these companies?? Has she been feckin brainwashed and thats why she doesnt want anything to do with home anymore? She has lost touch with every single one of a large group of friends. Her new friends seem to fill her Facebook with sh1te like "so pumped for promotion today" and "this has made me a new person", "loving my life, so fulfilled" etc etc.


PS she is selling make up that they "exclusively distribute" in Ireland, should retail at 300 but she has it for 20. I wouldnt give it to a kid to play with it its so poor quality.

Is the company called scientology?

Occono

Yep, got invited to an interview with Consultonomics in Limerick but I found out what it was like before I went, didn't go in the end.

DaveotedToFoo

Anyone know anything about Zenith Ideas in Santry?

JReacher84

DaveotedToFoo wrote: »

Anyone know anything about Zenith Ideas in Santry?

Yea i do, I went for 2 interviews there last week, the job is fully commission, but ollie the boss man seems really sound
I enjoyed going out with the guys on Saturday for the second interview, great fun
Full commission, so if ya can afford to take the risk I'd say it would be a great fun job
Best of luck anyway

br27

Can anyone help me please I applied for a job at yewtree don't really know what job I applied for. They got back to me and I have an interview on Thursday the 23rd of October 2014 can anyone please tell me anything about the interview will I be asked certain questions what exactly do they do at the interview and do I have to bring anything e.g CV my references I don't have a clue as they haven't really told me much.

padma

Id bring an umbrella..a waterproof jacket..waterproof shoes...10/15 euro..cos they will bring u out hail rain or snow for the day and youll be hungry and thirsty.

br27

Thank you padma for the reply I think that's why there not looking for people with a lot of work experience as they can make them do anything with the promise of earning a lot of money I am going to go for the interview for a laugh just to see what bull **** they try and feed me thanks again for the reply

JakuBuLL

Hi guys,
Is salesense still as bad as described few pages back? I'm starting with them soon. Everything looks good in contract

irishjig69b

Don't touch thAt crowd, bullies totally ringing u at 7.30 am and up to 9 pm at night even at weekends, if ur lucky enuf to earn commission chances are they stiff u on it.

Palyo

JakuBuLL wrote: »

Hi guys,
Is salesense still as bad as described few pages back? I'm starting with them soon. Everything looks good in contract

I currently work at Sales Sense and have done since feb mate, really unbelievable place to work, Money is great, put your head down and work away.. I'm very happy there..

I statted on residential, got promoted to coach, now I'm on the business team 9-5.30pm mon to friday...

Best of luck next week

Palyo

irishjig69b wrote: »

Don't touch thAt crowd, bullies totally ringing u at 7.30 am and up to 9 pm at night even at weekends, if ur lucky enuf to earn commission chances are they stiff u on it.

if you are crying over the morning texts at 7.30am then obviously you were on the business team..

if you got texts up to 9pm means your sales or lack of sales was an issue..after all, they were paying you a very healthy basic and fuel allowance.

Don't be so bitter over the past, let it go, Sales Sense is still standing and thriving with out you. And I'm there as I said since Feb, no bullies at all...if you can't handle the heat, don't go in the kitchen

irishjig69b

Palyo wrote: »

if you are crying over the morning texts at 7.30am then obviously you were on the business team..

if you got texts up to 9pm means your sales or lack of sales was an issue..after all, they were paying you a very healthy basic and fuel allowance.

Don't be so bitter over the past, let it go, Sales Sense is still standing and thriving with out you. And I'm there as I said since Feb, no bullies at all...if you can't handle the heat, don't go in the kitchen

Listen pal u are there since fen on business team u are 1 of 2 and only 2 still der since then my sales were there I moved in to better things and if u call 25k a year plus a 10 er a day petrol an amazing wage then ur deluded they are in NoBODY stays anymore than 6 months most realise t e is a twat over 100 reps have passed through the doors in under 12 months ur paid from 9/5.30 not 7.30 till 9 I could go on and on and for the record t e came to my home and tried to get me to stay I always got my 11 plus well 90% of the time, I'm not having a go at u if ur happy there then good in u but don't lie about how great they are there was a tread here all about them some time ago which has strangly disappeared, ur entitled to ur optinion as am I


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TireeTerror

I do not have any personal experience with SalesSense, however I know many people who have. I have not heard one single positive experience from anyone who has been through their system. There are many better products to sell door to door with considerably higher commission. The only people making decent money there are the owners, which is absolutely great for them. The downside to that is it is the field agents toiling in the rain who are being exploited to make the bosses rich.

I am not against door to door jobs, I've been working in the industry for 15 years and I love door to door work and the freedoms it provides. You just have to make sure you are choosing the right agency and product, or truly be your own boss and approach companies yourself and work directly.

seanaway

Salessense are a TOTAL bunch of TOTAL wasters. Three interviews (cost me €150 up and down) and then they 'put the position on hold after whitlling to the last two.

6 mths later they advertise again and give the job to som1 else. Didn't even have the courtesy to call me back when I enquired.

Don't go near them - especially the woman who seems so pleasant and then back stabs.

Moromaster

I'm going to post a more in depth review of my experience with the Appco Group. Before I begin, I must warn you that I am currently working with the Appco Group, and have been for between 1 and 3 years.

There are a lot of positives and negatives about working on a commission only basis. To make above 500 euros on a weekly basis, it'll require a hell of a lot more work than would be required in most companies; but, if you can't make 500 euros elsewhere, the opportunity is certainly available within an Appco company.

Sales programme

I personally believe that working purely on the sales programme is stupid. If you are just knocking on doors/working at event stalls, no matter how much money you make, you will start to burn out after six months. That's why you'll never see people at other sales companies that have been around for more than a year.

Advantages

• Honestly, it's ridiculously flexible. I've had people on my team that had kids or responsibilities outside of working. If you only need between 200-350 euros a week, and you're remotely talented at sales, you can hit that in three or four days. You could also work from 3-7pm daily if you didn't want to go into the office at all.
• While uncapped earnings sounds a bit bull****ty, it's definitely a fact. I was eighteen, I had no experience, and I was making more money some weeks than my parents. You can make absolutely nothing, that's definitely a risk, but you can also make a fortune.
• It's just a cool place to work if you don't take on too many responsibilities. Anyone who's been in an Appco company for more than a week has seen a few morning meetings. The shouting and screaming looks goddamn terrifying and cultlike for the first few times you're in one, but after enough time, you start to look forward to them. It's a bit childish, but it's good fun.

Disadvantages

• For the sales programme, burnout is definitely a huge risk. Salespeople typically spend less time in educational meetings, and don't learn how to control the ups and downs that naturally occur. It can get boring too, you're just repeatedly doing the exact same thing day in and day out.
• The upper limit of earnings typically is around 900-1100 euros on a weekly basis (If you're brilliant). That it, though. it's pretty hard to go beyond that; if you're not making money off anyones sales but your own.
• You don't work. You don't get paid.

Business Development programme.


Advantages

• Firstly, silly, silly, silly money. One of my best friends just got his promotion to business ownership. He's 21 and he made 2000 euros last week. He didn't go on the field or do one personal sale. (Office with 35 people)

• Trips! In my first year in the business, I was sent on five trips abroad. Unbelievable experiences.
• Getting the opportunity to train brand new people, who may not be in the best financial situation, into crack salespeople. Passing on the opportunity.
• Having a kickass CV. I am very young, and through my LinkedIn profile, I've been headhunted for some major tech firm's sales departments.
• Personal development. I'm more confident than any of my friends that I grew up. I signed up a millionaire who sold airplane parts for a living to a bloody prepaid smartmeter because I gave him advice on delegation and how to scale some aspects of his business.

Disadvantages

• It's unbelievably difficult. I hear a lot of people going 'Oh, it's bull****; you can't get promoted, they just tell you that to keep you around and brainwash you'. That is not true. Anyone can do it. It's just really tiring and requires you to live a startup lifestyle for 12-18 months to finish off a promotion. Look at inc.com or some website to see the lifestyle of some startup entrepreneurs. Not pretty.
• It'll take a lot of time for you to learn how to live off your own commissions and train new people at the same time.
• Because each sale matters more, you can massively lose your indifference if the day or week isn't going that well; which can reduce your performance more.
• You have to be the best example. If you want to be like your owner or business partner, you have to become them. This can be hard for a lot of people, if they lack in confidence.

Overall, do I love the Appco Group? Absolutely not. There is a lot of stuff that goes wrong on a weekly basis, it's not at all some person little bubble. What it does do though, is gives you the opportunity to go as near or as far as you want. I've created my own startup company within someone else's building, they've done my recruitment, they've provided me with territory, they've provided me with clients. I had to invest nothing.

Not everyone can do it, but I think everyone should give it a go for two months. You'll learn a lot about yourself, you'll come out a lot stronger, even if you quit. The training is free, and once you actually understand it, you can reapply it in nearly every industry.