Polish man dead.

DOC09UNAM

mikom, i don't think you got enough appreciation for a great title.

mikom

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

mikom, i don't think you got enough appreciation for a great title.

Yeah, I was considering using "Polish man dead", but there's been a lot of that recently.
I didn't want to confuse anybody.

Dublin_Gunner

stovelid wrote: »

....we have to be better than the pond-life that did this or what are we?

Soft.

Criminals literally get away with murder in this country. Its a farce. Its a farce on the self respecting law abiding citizens of this country that we went through hell to call our own, that little knacker scumbags can basically get away with anything they like, without fear of retribution or punishment.

Correction / rehabilitation does not work in most cases. This has been proven in the states. And looking at the number of scummers walking the streets and re-offending here, it quite obviously doesn't work here either.

We need a harder line judicial system. People need ot fear breaking serious laws.

Obviously, you can't go hanging everyone - but letting everyone scum criminal off after a few years is hardly an adequate solution.

Poland have recently stepped up their hard line on certain crimes - chemical castration for perpetrators of sexual crimes. We and other countries need to follow suit. (yes, I'm aware that Poland may not be the best example, considering their government etc).

Its sickening to think, that this guy will be either out after a few years, or will have his sentence suspended if he's not convicted of murder.

aidan24326

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

mikom, i don't think you got enough appreciation for a great title.

The thread title is a poor attempt at juvenile humour tbh.

sassychick

dlofnep wrote: »

Probably. It's moot.

Fact of the matter is - this Polish lad was on his way to work in the early hours of the morning, probably busting his balls to make a better life for himself when this scumbag took his life from him.

I hope they prosecute this guy to the fullest extent.

I totally agree this poor fellah did not deserve this..:(Such a young life tragically taken...i hope that scum rots in jail...RIP lucasz they cant hurt you anymore....

Einhard

starbelgrade wrote: »

I hate these type of threads. I agree that it's a sad thing to hear of the murder of anyone - but you can be guaranteed that all that follows is page after page of calls for retribution, the death penalty & eradication of "scumbags".

It'd be like reading the letters page of the Daily Mail if they had one.

When someone is killed, the last thing I want to read is calls for more blood to be spilled.

Amen to that. Great post.

FreudianSlippers

Mr Magners wrote: »

I know it's AH and usual rules etc are out the window but really the thread title is in such poor taste, a young man is dead and the title is a very tenuous link to where the alledged perpetrator is living.

It should be changed, I thought it was going to be a light hearted thread, not what it actually is.

This is AH, where the rules are only enforced randomly.

stovelid

Mr Magners wrote: »

I know it's AH and usual rules etc are out the window but really the thread title is in such poor taste, a young man is dead and the title is a very tenuous link to where the alledged perpetrator is living.

It should be changed, I thought it was going to be a light hearted thread, not what it actually is.

Why not actually proffer an opinion in this, a serious thread, instead of bellyaching about the title?

FreudianSlippers

stovelid wrote: »

Why not actually proffer an opinion in this, a serious thread, instead of bellyaching about the title?

So you're complaining about a post that is complaining about the title of a stupid thread?

Just making sure I'm up to speed.

gracehopper

diddledum wrote: »

I really have no idea if his nationality was a factor, but I do think that relative to our population, we have seen a surprising number of newcomers murdered or seriously injured over the last few years, when you strip out the figures for gang related incidents which many seem to have become a little desensitised to.

Maybe there is no correlation, but I have a feeling if we go sorting through the figures we may not like what we see.

i am not sure about his nationality being a factor. A young irish guy called Alan Higgins was killed for a mobile and a wallet coming home from the cinema which is very near the industrial estate in this instance.

It makes me sick and embarrassed to be honest. We are known for our warmth and welcoming attitude towards others. This polish guy was getting up and heading to work on a saturday morning to earn a few quid in a fish factory and then to be confronted by a group of these little ba5tard5. I do feel ashamed and angry that this can happen so close to where i live.

mikom

Amended the title of the thread there for those concerned with optics.

stovelid

OisinT wrote: »

So you're complaining about a post that is complaining about the title of a stupid thread?

Just making sure I'm up to speed.

Quit the petty tit-for-tat bollocks. You know exactly what I mean.

I won't be answering whatever answer you concoct to this post as to keep the topic on track, by the way.

FreudianSlippers

mikom wrote: »

Amended the title of the thread there for those concerned with optics.

To an even worse title. Lock this sucker.

FreudianSlippers

stovelid wrote: »

Quit the petty tit-for-tat bollocks. You know exactly what I mean.

I won't be answering whatever answer you concoct to this post as to keep the topic on track, by the way.

I was kidding

cantankerous geebag indeed :P

Zillah

My name is URL wrote: »

Fcuk the death penalty.. easy way out for scum like him. It costs more than life imprisonment too.

Only if there is an appeals process.

stovelid

OisinT wrote: »

I was kidding

cantankerous geebag indeed :P

I jumped into that one with studs up, didn't I?

Apologies.

DOC09UNAM

OisinT wrote: »

To an even worse title. Lock this sucker.

Why lock it?

Bar a very holy miracle, the title is accurate.

FreudianSlippers

stovelid wrote: »

I jumped into that one with studs up, didn't I?

Apologies.

No worries

FreudianSlippers

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

Why lock it?

Bar a very holy miracle, the title is accurate.

Still dead though... come on.

DOC09UNAM

OisinT wrote: »

Still dead though... come on.

But he is?

mikemac

That title is even worse. Still dead? Are you sure? Do we need a coroners report?

Change it again!

Dravokivich

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

But he is?

hmm... I suppose it is politically correct...

abouttobebanned

Pretty disrespectful thread title to be fair.

Nodin

too soon, really.

sealgaire

I dont understand the thread title . . .

FreudianSlippers

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

But he is?

I don't think I'm the only one who thinks the title is still a bit immature and insensitive.

DOC09UNAM

OisinT wrote: »

I don't think I'm the only one who thinks the title is still a bit immature and insensitive.

Yeah but he's still dead, when he comes back to life, he can change the title.

mikom

Shall we have a poll as to what it should be titled?
Posters pissed and moaned about the first title, but maybe I should have left it.

"Bring back the birch" or "hangings too good for them" perhaps.

mikemac

Just a matter of fact thread title

Stop trying to be witty, you can't pull it off

FreudianSlippers

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

Yeah but he's still dead, when he comes back to life, he can change the title.

Well if he comes back to life then I'm sure we will be having a different discussion altogether.

I think I would agree with the hard labour idea.
Death penalty I am completely against and of course our sentences seem to mean nothing at the moment. The labour would be a deterrent but it may also build discipline and so on.


In any case this story is genuinely very sad.
RIP and condolences to his family.

mikom

feelingstressed wrote: »

Just a matter of fact thread title

Stop trying to be witty, you can't pull it off

Done.

Mr Magners

stovelid wrote: »

Why not actually proffer an opinion in this, a serious thread, instead of bellyaching about the title?

And that's your first contribution? I'm having trouble seeing where you've given your opinion.

For what it's worth, I think it's a very sad day for the family of this man. Unfortunately I think we're going to see more and more of these "random" acts of violence as the value attributed to human life becomes ever more diminished.

stovelid

With respect folks, the only jocular thing about the entire thread was the title(s), not the OP or the subsequent thread.

Paradoxically, this griping is actually leading to the thread becoming the inverse of what you want: which is a serious on-topic thread.

Nodin

Mr Magners wrote: »

For what it's worth, I think it's a very sad day for the family of this man. Unfortunately I think we're going to see more and more of these "random" acts of violence as the value of life becomes ever more diminished.

Actually if you look at Europe since the 1700's - excluding wars and civil unrest - the murder rate has steadily declined. The idea that things are getting worse or will get worse isn't backed by the numbers.

stovelid

Mr Magners wrote: »

And that's your first contribution? I'm having trouble seeing where you've given your opinion.

Try specsavers?

stovelid wrote: »

It's such an obvious point as to be a cliche by now but it's possible to be filled with sadness at this young man's death - and to detest he person that did it - without going on some draconian law and order trip. The harder line you are proposing hasn't really provided a long-term answer to this kind of behaviour although I can understand the thirst for revenge. Certainly a part of me would like to see the guys that did this beaten to death (so I can only imagine the victim's family - if it was my son or brother I don't think I could stay sane) but it's hardly the long-term answer and if we must be anything, we have to be better than the pond-life that did this or what are we?

AlmightyCushion

I don't know what's going on here. I edited the title back to "Polish man dead". Everyone stick to the topic.

maroon

MidlandsM wrote: »

K, but if the victim was just an ordinary irish lad, would there be such a big story here?

ahm... Yes!

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/irish-man-dies-after-brutal-attack-in-holland-14657868.html

And your question is a proof that the xenophobia is running wild in Ireland since 2004.
It's a Human Being. We are all Irish, we are all Polish, we are all Human !

mikom

Thread title has now been amended by a mod, and that's fine by me.
To the bellyachers, the next time you are unsure that a title may match up to a thread, let me suggest a can of Ronseal.

bullpost

If found guilty of a crime like this I'd hand him over to be used for medical research for the term of his sentence.

Why use innocent animals for this when you can get guilty animals?

saltcoats

amacachi wrote: »

How many posts until someone mentions the death penalty? :pac:

My sympathies to the deceased's family, sad and terrible way for someone to die.

7.

scientific1982

Mister men wrote: »

Most parents don't know how to raise their kids. They drag them up through life. I'm sorry but the more i think about it the more i'm convinced people should need a licence to have kids because we can't just go on and on producing scum like this fella or we will never have a just society.

I agree with you 100%. You can pretty much tell how a kid is going to turn out by looking at their parents. Some people should never have kids.

sealgaire

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

Yeah but he's still dead, when he comes back to life, he can change the title.

Not funny you twat

Zulu

I've long been of the opinion that our society needs to make a clear decision whether it wants to rehabilitate or punish. I don't think a mixture can be successfully achieved.

I also don't really believe our society wants to foot the bill for rehabilitation. I think society needs to make the harsh decision that it only wants to punish. Once that's been made, then perhaps we can look at ways to make criminals productive.

The term "screw" comes from the Victorian practice of making criminals turn a screw x amount of times. If the prison behaved well, the screw was easier to turn; it they misbehaved, the screw was tightened.

Why not have our criminals create electricity for the poorer families in our society? or for hospitals?? or for schools??? their punishment could include creating an amount of energy. This could be increased or decreased for good/bad behavior.

AlmightyCushion

sealgaire wrote: »

Not funny you twat

Banned

Dublin_Gunner

Zulu wrote: »

I've long been of the opinion that our society needs to make a clear decision whether it wants to rehabilitate or punish. I don't think a mixture can be successfully achieved.

I also don't really believe our society wants to foot the bill for rehabilitation. I think society needs to make the harsh decision that it only wants to punish. Once that's been made, then perhaps we can look at ways to make criminals productive.

The term "screw" comes from the Victorian practice of making criminals turn a screw x amount of times. If the prison behaved well, the screw was easier to turn; it they misbehaved, the screw was tightened.

Why not have our criminals create electricity for the poorer families in our society? or for hospitals?? or for schools??? their punishment could include creating an amount of energy. This could be increased or decreased for good/bad behavior.

We have plenty of infrastructure that needs help rebuilding. Roads, buildings etc etc that would be a good use of forced labour. Plus, it may give some convicts some extra skills for when / if they get out.

Nodin

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

We have plenty of infrastructure that needs help rebuilding. Roads, buildings etc etc that would be a good use of forced labour..

....which use would of course put people out of jobs.....

Zulu

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

We have plenty of infrastructure that needs help rebuilding. Roads, buildings etc etc that would be a good use of forced labour. Plus, it may give some convicts some extra skills for when / if they get out.

True (and a +1) from me however, one problem is supervision outside of prison with this one. It means extra guards etc.. I think this is a good alternative for people who don't pay fines (as opposed to throwing them in prison), let them work off the dept with labour.

aDeener

dlofnep wrote: »

Probably. It's moot.

Fact of the matter is - this Polish lad was on his way to work in the early hours of the morning, probably busting his balls to make a better life for himself when this scumbag took his life from him.

I hope they prosecute this guy to the fullest extent.

won't happen unfortunately

Mr Magners

stovelid wrote: »

Try specsavers?

Specsavers it is for me, apologies