you have to watch this guys videos

Richard tea

meglome wrote: »

This the one where he says we misrepresented him in the middle of him misrepresenting the whole of boards.ie?

I think so, its the one that he mentions that one of you accused him of been in the IRA & a silly argument about government buildings. I feel it gives boards a bad name.

meglome

Richard tea wrote: »

I think so, its the one that he mentions that one of you accused him of been in the IRA & a silly argument about government buildings. I feel it gives boards a bad name.

And what do you think about all the things he says in his videos that are not correct?

Di0genes

Richard tea wrote: »

Just watched this guys video about the 2 members here:eek: I hope you apologised to him

Um why?

Duiske

Di0genes wrote: »

Um why?

There are none so blind as those who will not see !!

cursai

No a nurse and a guard are not working class. They are easily able to earn 100k a year as a family, that's not even close to working class.



HAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHA.....mental! Not even close!

meglome

cursai wrote: »

No a nurse and a guard are not working class. They are easily able to earn 100k a year as a family, that's not even close to working class.

HAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHA.....mental! Not even close!

Not on their first day in the job they won't no. But I've seen figures over in Politics which shows this to be true with a few years experience and overtime. I'll have to find them.

Duiske wrote: »

There are none so blind as those who will not see !!

A lot of what he says is wrong and he gives no sources for all the rest. So people who blindly believe him might need to question that.

Di0genes

Duiske wrote: »

There are none so blind as those who will not see !!

Well no, For example I've a friend who'd be tempted to get her guide dog to give you a friendly bite for such a inane platitude.*

JBYeats is a complete idiot. If he's reading this, he should understand that

A) Boards.ie is not a "blogging site" it's a message board.

If he wants to discuss his theories he should log on here, I'm not wasting my time having a debate on his youtube channel were he can censor/block/ignore comments he doesn't like. Thats not a forum for a open honest discussions about his ideas.

C) Theres not a peep from people about the fact that he threatens two boards.ie members in his video.



* this is a joke, guide dogs don't bite**

** However "none so blind as those who cannot see"? What does that even mean?

cursai

meglome wrote: »

Not on their first day in the job they won't no. But I've seen figures over in Politics which shows this to be true with a few years experience and overtime. I'll have to find them.



Everyones wages o up after a few years. I know members of An Garda Siochana who have 30 yrs service and barely get 50,000 after tax. Take into consideration the hours they work, the irregular sleeping patterns, the abuse they take, stress etc....this is even enough. Its disgraceful when someone begrudges a vital part of our society for their wages.

What do you want?.....Gards earning minimum wage...Cause some of them earn just under €15.00 an hour after tax.

People who make comments like this haven't even put one bit of consideration into the hidden expenses (having to commute long distances...move your family...) of being a garda. Just pure begrudgery.

Overtime!!!! HAHAHA Half of it is gone in tax. By the time you drive from home ON YOUR DAY OFF to court, youve spent at least ten euro on petrol, have to buy lunch, nothing is made of it.

PLEASE stop this rubbish.

studiorat

Di0genes wrote: »

C) Theres not a peep from people about the fact that he threatens two boards.ie members in his video.

He's threatening people now? Tell me more...

studiorat

Duiske wrote: »

So, what you spewed forth, ie, your Stickie comment and link, were a factually correct representation of JB's political viewpoint ?

Yes, his rant is standard Workers Party sh1te. I'm astounded anybody actually thinks there's any originality there at all.

meglome

cursai wrote: »

Everyones wages o up after a few years. I know members of An Garda Siochana who have 30 yrs service and barely get 50,000 after tax. Take into consideration the hours they work, the irregular sleeping patterns, the abuse they take, stress etc....this is even enough. Its disgraceful when someone begrudges a vital part of our society for their wages.

What do you want?.....Gards earning minimum wage...Cause some of them earn just under €15.00 an hour after tax.

People who make comments like this haven't even put one bit of consideration into the hidden expenses (having to commute long distances...move your family...) of being a garda. Just pure begrudgery.

Overtime!!!! HAHAHA Half of it is gone in tax. By the time you drive from home ON YOUR DAY OFF to court, youve spent at least ten euro on petrol, have to buy lunch, nothing is made of it.

PLEASE stop this rubbish.

Hold your horsies there. I did not at any stage say they should or shouldn't get the money. I simply pointed out they are not 'working class' in the sense it's meant, which is true. I'm far from being a begrudger nor did I show any begrudgery towards them.

Now on the subject of the money. Maybe you can show me another country where the Police and Nurses get paid more?

cursai

meglome wrote: »

Hold your horsies there. I did not at any stage say they should or shouldn't get the money. I simply pointed out they are not 'working class' in the sense it's meant, which is true. I'm far from being a begrudger nor did I show any begrudgery towards them.

Now on the subject of the money. Maybe you can show me another country where the Police and Nurses get paid more?

TRUST ME! I'm working class! I have no assets or massive disposeable income to my name. Every penny is accounted for. i dont know what other policing services earn. I know that its expensive to live in Ireland, i know that i have to think carefully about things before i buy.
I think theres an awful misconception about the Gardai in this country. If you see a guard driving a big car or having a good house its because they have a brilliant and very supportive credit union(practically communist).

meglome

cursai wrote: »

TRUST ME! I'm working class! I have no assets or massive disposeable income to my name. Every penny is accounted for. i dont know what other policing services earn. I know that its expensive to live in Ireland, i know that i have to think carefully about things before i buy.
I think theres an awful misconception about the Gardai in this country. If you see a guard driving a big car or having a good house its because they have a brilliant and very supportive credit union(practically communist).

Firstly this isn't a conspiracy theory. Secondary I was specifically talking about a Guard and nurse as a couple. Thirdly at no point did I criticize so why direct these comments at me.

Want to tell us what this poor salary of your is?

cursai

meglome wrote: »

Firstly this isn't a conspiracy theory. Secondary I was specifically talking about a Guard and nurse as a couple. Thirdly at no point did I criticize so why direct these comments at me.

Want to tell us what this poor salary of your is?

Firstly: I know its not a conspiracy theory and you indulged in the argument too. Although there is a conspiracy theory as such in that you think Gardai earn what your told they earn.

Secondly: Because you were the one talking to me! I dont understand!

Thirdly: i earned €39,000 last year before tax.

Di0genes

studiorat wrote: »

He's threatening people now? Tell me more...

4:22 mark ish he says "studiorat you'd better watch yourself". It's a pretty unambiguous and sinister threat.

Sweet jesus I had to listen to 4'22 of his crap just to get to that. The man has verbal diarrhoea.

meglome

cursai wrote: »

Firstly: I know its not a conspiracy theory and you indulged in the argument too. Although there is a conspiracy theory as such in that you think Gardai earn what your told they earn.

No I think some earn that much, as a couple. It was a general point about what's working class and what isn't nowadays.

cursai wrote: »

Secondly: Because you were the one talking to me! I dont understand!

You quoted my comment about nurses and guards which is why I replied. I replied too because I didn't say anything bad about them which you seemed to think I had.

cursai wrote: »

Thirdly: i earned €39,000 last year before tax.

No offence to you but if you find it difficult to live on 39 grand a year then I suggest you need to look at how you're living. I'm self employed and with the recession I'm not earning that kind of money but even earning less I used to go away for two months every year.

cursai

meglome wrote: »

No I think some earn that much, as a couple. It was a general point about what's working class and what isn't nowadays.



You quoted my comment about nurses and guards which is why I replied. I replied too because I didn't say anything bad about them which you seemed to think I had.



No offence to you but if you find it difficult to live on 39 grand a year then I suggest you need to look at how you're living. I'm self employed and with the recession I'm not earning that kind of money but even earning less I used to go away for two months every year.

I dont find it difficult to LIVE on that, its not massive either mind. But i DO find it difficult to earn it. i DO put in the hours.
Again i was doing a little web digging there for police force wages and the pay is definitely relevant to the cost of living. English police have about the same wages.

Gonna get out of this argument now before a MOD starts giving out. As you said its not a conspiracy, although it is a false theory.

See ya later Meglome

Duiske

studiorat wrote: »

Yes, his rant is standard Workers Party sh1te.

Maybe you should qualify those remarks with an "in my opinion", because, given the guys denial of any connection with that particularly group, you stating it as fact is clearly you pulling facts out of your hole.

studiorat

Duiske wrote: »

Maybe you should qualify those remarks with an "in my opinion", because, given the guys denial of any connection with that particularly group, you stating it as fact is clearly you pulling facts out of your hole.

Do you seriously think what he's saying is any different? Enlighten us then...
As far as I can se it's still run of the mill SWP doctrine.

@ JBYEATS, still no citation of the Slave trade. Who's telling you this?

studiorat

Di0genes wrote: »

4:22 mark ish he says "studiorat you'd better watch yourself". It's a pretty unambiguous and sinister threat.

Sweet jesus I had to listen to 4'22 of his crap just to get to that. The man has verbal diarrhoea.

THat's the trouble with people like him. You don't agree with a point of view and you get threats.

Duiske

Di0genes wrote: »

** However "none so blind as those who cannot see"? What does that even mean?

No idea. Where did you get it from ? And what has it got to do with me ?

Di0genes

Duiske wrote: »

No idea. Where did you get it from ? And what has it got to do with me ?

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68965239&postcount=155

Your post 155 on this thread.

Oh. Dear.

Duiske

Di0genes wrote: »

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68965239&postcount=155


Oh. Dear.

Posted by me.

duiske wrote:

There are none so blind as those who will not see !!

Posted by you

di0genes wrote:

"none so blind as those who cannot see"

Spot. The. Difference.

Di0genes

Duiske wrote: »

Posted by me.



Posted by you



Spot. The. Difference.

Not really aside from Pedantry. What on earth are you trying to say?

PanchoVilla

studiorat wrote: »

@ JBYEATS, still no citation of the Slave trade. Who's telling you this?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/6366251.stm

http://www.jmr.nmm.ac.uk/server/show/ConJmrBookReview.180/outputRegister/lowhtml#content

http://www.historyireland.com/volumes/volume15/issue3/features/?id=164

The information is easily found by anyone who bothers to look. Ireland's aristocracy was heavily involved in the slave trade and benefited greatly from it.

studiorat

PanchoVilla wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/6366251.stm

http://www.jmr.nmm.ac.uk/server/show/ConJmrBookReview.180/outputRegister/lowhtml#content

http://www.historyireland.com/volumes/volume15/issue3/features/?id=164

The information is easily found by anyone who bothers to look. Ireland's aristocracy was heavily involved in the slave trade and benefited greatly from it.

Well you and dusk obviously didn't look too hard. I've read all of those sources and many more. It doesn't say anything about Edward Fitzgerald at all there does it? You just filled in the gaps with what you wanted to hear, it's quite typical really.

As I mentioned the Irish working class were heavily involved in the slave trade too. In fact Nini Rodgers who you quote, supplies information regarding the rape of a pregnant woman onboard a ship by one of the Irish sailors running the ship. IN fact it was your "aristocracy" who began, supported and followed through with the abolition of slavery in England and Ireland. Right up to the death, there were Irish workers and merchants, who were against it's abolition. Yet you've been fooled into Yeats' mis-information because he's giving you what you WANT to hear.

Still no source for Fitzgerald being a slave trader. They didn't really need the slave trade they owned most of Kildare and Meath as I said already.

However if you insist on using JBYeatski's analogy, you need to extend it to Dublin, Belfast, Liverpool, London and half the large cities in Europe were build on the slave trade.

I really would be interested to read of the Fitzgerald's sources of income, because there seems to be no mention of slaves only rental from tennant farmers etc.

PanchoVilla

studiorat wrote: »

Well you and dusk obviously didn't look too hard. I've read all of those sources and many more. It doesn't say anything about Edward Fitzgerald at all there does it? You just filled in the gaps with what you wanted to hear, it's quite typical really.

As I mentioned the Irish working class were heavily involved in the slave trade too. In fact Nini Rodgers who you quote, supplies information regarding the rape of a pregnant woman onboard a ship by one of the Irish sailors running the ship. IN fact it was your "aristocracy" who began, supported and followed through with the abolition of slavery in England and Ireland. Right up to the death, there were Irish workers and merchants, who were against it's abolition. Yet you've been fooled into Yeats' mis-information because he's giving you what you WANT to hear.

Still no source for Fitzgerald being a slave trader. They didn't really need the slave trade they owned most of Kildare and Meath as I said already.

However if you insist on using JBYeatski's analogy, you need to extend it to Dublin, Belfast, Liverpool, London and half the large cities in Europe were build on the slave trade.

I really would be interested to read of the Fitzgerald's sources of income, because there seems to be no mention of slaves only rental from tennant farmers etc.

Just so we're all on the same page here, we are discussing James FitzGerald, 1st Duke of Leinster, not his son Edward. I'm not sure there's any point in discussing this if you don't even know who we're talking about.

meglome

PanchoVilla wrote: »

Just so we're all on the same page here, we are discussing James FitzGerald, 1st Duke of Leinster, not his son Edward. I'm not sure there's any point in discussing this if you don't even know who we're talking about.

Just so we're all on the same page here are either of them mentioned in those links?

studiorat wrote: »

However if you insist on using JBYeatski's analogy, you need to extend it to Dublin, Belfast, Liverpool, London and half the large cities in Europe were build on the slave trade.

Caught a bit of QI earlier and they stated that there are an estimated 27 million people in effective slavery now. Way more than there ever was when slavery was legal. Haven't checked the number but wouldn't be surprised.

joebucks

http://maxkeiser.com/2010/11/16/jbyeats-accountability/#comments

digme

The amount of people that will see jbs vids now is huge, fair play to max for hosting the vid on his site, this is massive.
Max likes people who speak the truth, and JB is the man !!!!

meglome

digme wrote: »

The amount of people that will see jbs vids now is huge, fair play to max for hosting the vid on his site, this is massive.
Max likes people who speak the truth, and JB is the man !!!!

Didn't we establish that ole jb had a little problem with fact and truth.

digme

No.I think we established something about you.

Brown Bomber

meglome wrote: »

Didn't we establish that ole jb had a little problem with fact and truth.

Why don't you and studiorat debate him then?

You called him out. It could be properly moderated. You wouldn't have to go on camera or anything, you could still be meglome. I'm sure you could find a internet radio/podcaster who could moderate.

Edit: I'd even find a moderator myself.

DeVore

Or JBYeats could come down from his ivory tower where no one can challenge him, and join us proletariat here on boards where everyone gets an equal say.


Yeah.... right.

DeV.

digme

DeVore wrote: »

Or JBYeats could come down from his ivory tower where no one can challenge him, and join us proletariat here on boards where everyone gets an equal say.


Yeah.... right.

DeV.

Feel free to make a you tube video response.Where everyone truly gets an equal say.

Yitzhak Rabin

digme wrote: »

Feel free to make a you tube video response.Where everyone truly gets an equal say.

Boards means anyone and everyone can join in. Youtube means you have to forgo a level of anonyminity you have here. Also, video response makes it a lot harder to address people on a point by point basis. There is no hiding from written text.

Also, boards is cool :cool: . Youtube is not, it gave birth to fred.

Di0genes

digme wrote: »

Feel free to make a you tube video response.Where everyone truly gets an equal say.

No, he can block or edit comments on his channel.

And you tube videos are a atrocious way to have a dialogue

digme

Di0genes wrote: »

No, he can block or edit comments on his channel.

And you tube videos are a atrocious way to have a dialogue

You mean attack right?
You lot don't like the sound of something on here you do the same,you report,block edit,delete,ban, jesus wept...............

Poor max keiser should get you pro bankster lads onto his site.

Di0genes

digme wrote: »

You mean attack right?
You lot don't like the sound of something on here you do the same,you report,block edit,delete,ban, jesus wept...............

Poor max keiser should get you pro bankster lads onto his site.

I'm not "pro bankster" whatever that means.

And if you want to have a conversation or a dialogue youtube videos are not the way to do.

If for nothing else the man is a terrible speaker rambling incorrect, long asides, wittering inanities.

Yitzhak Rabin

digme wrote: »

You lot don't like the sound of something on here you do the same,you report,block edit,delete,ban, jesus wept...............

Difference is here it is not the user who can do it. You can't start a thread and report,block edit,delete,ban subsequent posts. Only offensive material which breaks the rules is modified here.

Di0genes

yekahs wrote: »

Difference is here it is not the user who can do it. You can't start a thread and report,block edit,delete,ban subsequent posts. Only offensive material which breaks the rules is modified here.

Yeah he'd not five minutes if he threatened a poster on here.

digme

yekahs wrote: »

Difference is here it is not the user who can do it. You can't start a thread and report,block edit,delete,ban subsequent posts. Only offensive material which breaks the rules is modified here.

Boards is not neutral and thats not the issue here anyway,the issue is
this

digme

yekahs wrote: »

Difference is here it is not the user who can do it. You can't start a thread and report,block edit,delete,ban subsequent posts. Only offensive material which breaks the rules is modified here.

The pro lisbon fella does it all the time

gizmo

Quick question regarding Kaiser by the way. In the video which JBYeats refers to, Kaiser frequently refers to "financial terrorism" however isn't that exactly what he himself engaged in with his Karmabanque project?

humanji

I'm not sure if it was mentioned before, but Yeats was invited ontot Boards to talk about his videos and declined. That's as far as discussion goes.

So now that that's been covered, please try and stop making this about the man, and keep it about what he says.

studiorat

PanchoVilla wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/6366251.stm

http://www.jmr.nmm.ac.uk/server/show/ConJmrBookReview.180/outputRegister/lowhtml#content

http://www.historyireland.com/volumes/volume15/issue3/features/?id=164

The information is easily found by anyone who bothers to look. Ireland's aristocracy was heavily involved in the slave trade and benefited greatly from it.

PanchoVilla wrote: »

Just so we're all on the same page here, we are discussing James FitzGerald, 1st Duke of Leinster, not his son Edward. I'm not sure there's any point in discussing this if you don't even know who we're talking about.

I know perfectly well who I'm talking about. James Fitzgerald, who didn't build Carton house, just so we're clear.

So why did you post all those irrelevant links? None of them mention James Fitzgerald...

meglome

digme wrote: »

Boards is not neutral and thats not the issue here anyway,the issue is
this

Boards is a reflection of society in Ireland. As long as you don't break the clearly set out rules everyone is welcome. The idea that we should have some sort of video-off with jbyeats as a way to discussion something is ridiculous.

Love that image btw.

sinsin

meglome wrote: »

I've watched this video at last. Namaloc made some very good points about the start of it here. I would add a few other things but I'll leave that for now. Though I will say I welcome anyone making positive proposals.

He's says boards.ie is senile, now I assume he means puerile or infantile. Now depending on where you look on boards.ie this can be true. But to say boards is just puerile is nonsense, After hours is puerile but Politics is not. Boards is a microcosm of society in general so has it's good and bad, funny and serious etc.

He doesn't seem to like myself or Studiorat's opinions. To be fair he's right we don't know him so we can't/shouldn't say what his motivations are. But it's also fair to say that he doesn't provide any backup for his opinions. From what I've seen so far his facts and figures are often wrong.

I've mentioned his point about Leinster house already. He openly admits to using a completely different building to make a point. He's correct government buildings does have more windows than Leinster house. However it was also built 150 years after Leinster house and has nothing whatsoever to do with the Earl of Kildare, or the Duke of Leinster. Again he's correct in that there is a big complex of buildings on this site, Leinster House, Government Buildings, The National Museum, The National Library, The Natural History Museum and the National Art Gallery. But only Leinster house has any relevance to the point he's making. The structures on the site were built over a period of 250 years. And let's be very clear about this Government buildings is not the back of Leinster House. This is the back of Leinster House.

Link to aerial shot of the back of Leinster House marked with a 1, Government building to the left.
This debate about the buildings is in many ways silly. It's not the main issue I have with his videos but it does prove he has no problem using something less than factual to make a point which is why I brought it up in the first place.

He was wrong about the students, though I have to admit I was too.

What pray tell is the monument for?
Open Your eyes guys.
QED.

meglome

sinsin wrote: »

What pray tell is the monument for?
Open Your eyes guys.
QED.

Well it's a monument. Raised to the first Executive Council of the Irish Free State, seems like a good thing to do. I assume this is some sort of Freemasons thing you're suggesting. Someone should let you know about the ancient Egyptians who used the obelisk long before the Freemasons came along. Were the leaders of the Free state even Freemasons?

miss_shadow

I like this mans way of communicating!!