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33% of Irish men aged 34 live at home

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    #272
    CiaranC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,300 ✭✭✭CiaranC


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    When did I say that? I've said all along that I pay rent.
    Then why not move out? You can obviously afford it.


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    #273
    phantom_lord
    Registered Users Posts: 10,894 ✭✭✭✭phantom_lord


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    So we agree that someone living with a friend and splitting costs 50/50 is self sufficient.

    But if you take away the word friend, and replace it with mother, then you're not self sufficient.

    Logic fail.
    MagicMarker wrote: »
    When did I say that? I've said all along that I pay rent.

    We're both agreed that if someone shares full costs with someone then they're self sufficient.

    You say you live at home because you can't afford to move out.

    Therefore I'm going to assume you can't afford to share with a friend.

    Therefore I assume you're not self sufficient.


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    #274
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    phantom_lord wrote: »
    either you're able to move out or you're not self sufficient.
    Erm, I said we split all costs, I never said what those costs amount to. If I were to move out my costs would go up from what they currently are, ergo, I can't afford to move out.

    Well, I suppose I could afford to live in a 3 bed house with 7 other people in a really ****ty estate, sharing a room with 2 other people of course. But why exactly would I do that? To appease people like you?


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    #275
    CiaranC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,300 ✭✭✭CiaranC


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    Erm, I said we split all costs, I never said what those costs amount to. If I were to move out my costs would go up from what they currently are, ergo, I can't afford to move out.
    So your mother is subsidising you and protecting you from having to pay market rates for accommodation.

    LOL


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    #276
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    CiaranC wrote: »
    So your mother is subsidising you and protecting you from having to pay market rates for accommodation.

    LOL
    Wow, reading words that are not there. Well done you. You clearly don't understand what 50/50 means.


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    #277
    CiaranC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,300 ✭✭✭CiaranC


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    Wow, reading words that are not there. Well done you. You clearly don't understand what 50/50 means.
    You say by living at home you are paying less than market rates for accommodation. Its hardly a stretch to imagine why this might be.


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    #278
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    CiaranC wrote: »
    You say by living at home you are paying less than market rates for accommodation. Its hardly a stretch to imagine why this might be.
    Why is that? :confused:


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    #279
    phantom_lord
    Registered Users Posts: 10,894 ✭✭✭✭phantom_lord


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    Wow, reading words that are not there. Well done you. You clearly don't understand what 50/50 means.

    lol

    You're living at home because it's lower rent because it's with your mother. And you're trying to make out you're self sufficient?


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    #280
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    phantom_lord wrote: »
    lol

    You're living at home because it's rent free. And you're trying to make out you're self sufficient?
    Err, it's not rent free. I've already said this. I've been paying rent since I was 16 ffs, not all of us had mammy and daddy pay our rent for us.

    edit: I see you edited your post :rolleyes:


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    #281
    phantom_lord
    Registered Users Posts: 10,894 ✭✭✭✭phantom_lord


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    So we agree that someone living with a friend and splitting costs 50/50 is self sufficient.

    But if you take away the word friend, and replace it with mother, then you're not self sufficient.

    Logic fail.

    Replace it with mother and subsided rent. now can you understand why you're not self sufficient?


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    #282
    CiaranC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,300 ✭✭✭CiaranC


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    Why is that? :confused:
    You tell us. Why is your rent subsidised? Why dont you have to pay market rates?


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    #283
    phantom_lord
    Registered Users Posts: 10,894 ✭✭✭✭phantom_lord


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    edit: I see you edited your post :rolleyes:

    point still stands.


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    #284
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    phantom_lord wrote: »
    Replace it with mother and subsided rent. now can you understand why you're not self sufficient?
    It's ironic that you accused someone of using a straw-man argument earlier in the thread and now you're resorting to it yourself.


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    #285
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    CiaranC wrote: »
    You tell us. Why is your rent subsidised? Why dont you have to pay market rates?
    As much as you'd love me to, I'm not going into detail on my personal finances.


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    #286
    phantom_lord
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    MagicMarker wrote: »
    It's ironic that you accused someone of using a straw-man argument earlier in the thread and now you're resorting to it yourself.

    lol. I said all along that you weren't self sufficient because you can't afford to move out. and now you admit that you have to have your rent effectively subsided by your mother. plz point out how that's a straw man exactly?


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    #287
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    phantom_lord wrote: »
    lol. I said all along that you weren't self sufficient because you can't afford to move out. and now you admit that you have to have your rent effectively subsided by your mother. plz point out how that's a straw man exactly?
    How is it subsidized by my mother if we pay equal amounts?


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    #288
    CiaranC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,300 ✭✭✭CiaranC


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    As much as you'd love me to, I'm not going into detail on my personal finances.

    Not interested in your personal finances. Im simply wondering how you magically manage to pay considerably under the current market rates for accommodation while also claiming to be self-sufficient


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    #289
    phantom_lord
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    MagicMarker wrote: »
    How is it subsidized by my mother if we pay equal amounts?

    I have no interest in your arrangements. but the fact that you can only afford to live with your mother would imply you're not self sufficient.


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    #290
    Merch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,327 ✭✭✭Merch


    phantom_lord wrote: »
    lol. I said all along that you weren't self sufficient because you can't afford to move out. and now you admit that you have to have your rent effectively subsided by your mother. plz point out how that's a straw man exactly?

    I think you have painted yourself into a corner and cant get out really, because the only other option would be ignorance, it's blatant ignorance to not be able to see that people live differantly and reasonable people accept that that is ok

    how does it so badly affect you that you are vehemently opposed to someone living at home if they need to or if it suits them?
    Do you have a few places to let or something?


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    #291
    TheOwl
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25 ✭TheOwl


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    Err, it's not rent free. I've already said this. I've been paying rent since I was 16 ffs, not all of us had mammy and daddy pay our rent for us.

    edit: I see you edited your post :rolleyes:

    But your mommy is paying rent for you!


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    #292
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    phantom_lord wrote: »
    I have no interest in your arrangements. but the fact that you can only afford to live with your mother would imply you're not self sufficient.
    lol... and if my mother moved out and my brother moved in? Or anyone else bar my father moved in?


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    #293
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    TheOwl wrote: »
    But your mommy is paying rent for you!
    Hi there, read the thread please.


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    #294
    CiaranC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,300 ✭✭✭CiaranC


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    lol... and if my mother moved out and my brother moved in? Or anyone else bar my father moved in?
    Why would that happen? Its your mothers house is it not?

    Or have I got it completely wrong and you are actually house-sharing with your mother in a house that has neither of your names on the deeds?


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    #295
    Rebelheart
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Rebelheart


    phantom_lord wrote: »
    If someone can afford to live financially independently then yes.
    If you're living with your parents because it's cheaper than moving out then I still consider that mooching.

    All your published thinking in this thread is based upon a faulty analysis of how human society works. If you live in a flat/house on your own and pay your own rent/mortgage, you are still "mooching" off the rest of society because you are not paying the entire cost of providing electricity/water/roads/gas/etc to your home; you are "mooching" off many other people upon whom you depend to share the cost of those services. Likewise, all those people who would like to contend that they pay for their own health costs: they don't. If they really did they would entirely finance their own heart/lung/whatever surgeon and their own nurses, medical equipment and of course ambulance when they fall injured. They don't. Rather they, to use your verb, "mooch" off a large number of other people upon whom they depend to share the cost of those services. How very socialist of our supposed capitalists.

    "Financial independence" is a myth, as is "self sufficiency". To think otherwise is to embrace some sort of Celtic Tiger Progressive Democrat-type myth of capitalist invincibility that is still hanging on in Ireland in 2010. Don't delude yourself any further on this point. No person on earth - not even the Sultan of Brunei who owns his own hospitals, roads etc - is an island.


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    #296
    Merch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,327 ✭✭✭Merch


    CiaranC wrote: »
    Why would that happen? Its your mothers house is it not?

    Or have I got it completely wrong and you are actually house-sharing with your mother in a house that has neither of your names on the deeds?

    Its a possibility but thats not relevant, that poster said what if such a thing happened? but no one answered


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    #297
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    CiaranC wrote: »
    Why would that happen? Its your mothers house is it not?

    Or have I got it completely wrong and you are actually house-sharing with your mother in a house that has neither of your names on the deeds?

    Who knows? Maybe we're both renting from a rich family member who is currently doing research in the amazon? It's no business of yours either way.


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    #298
    CiaranC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,300 ✭✭✭CiaranC


    Merch wrote: »
    Its a possibility but thats not relevant, that poster said what if such a thing happened? but no one answered
    Course its relevant. In all likelihood most of the mortgage would be paid off if the house was owner occupied, hence the cheap rent, hence the subsidised living.


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    #299
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    Merch wrote: »
    Its a possibility but thats not relevant, that poster said what if such a thing happened? but no one answered
    I don't expect to see an answer any time soon tbh.


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    #300
    TheOwl
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25 ✭TheOwl


    CiaranC wrote: »
    Course its relevant. In all likelihood most of the mortgage would be paid off if the house was owner occupied, hence the cheap rent, hence the subsidised living.

    bingo.


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    #301
    Merch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,327 ✭✭✭Merch


    CiaranC wrote: »
    Course its relevant. In all likelihood most of the mortgage would be paid off if the house was owner occupied, hence the cheap rent, hence the subsidised living.

    Whats how much the rent or mortgage is to do with anyone really anyway?
    A landlords mortgage could be all paid off, are you a better person because you pay more, thats ridiculous


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