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"no, I'm actually an athiest"

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    #632
    krudler
    Registered Users Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    I'm not specifically talking to you.

    I debate alot in the A&A forum on here and any debate I EVER have, I am assumed to be Catholic.

    If you look at the majority or the arguments in the A&A forum, it's about how stupid the Catholic Church is.

    If you have a conversation with one of the trendy atheists in real life, their argument will focus on how stupid the Catholic Church is.

    What I am trying to say is,is that this makes no sense at all in the idea of atheism. Drives me mad!

    No really, what the fcuk are you talking about?


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    #633
    strobe
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    Loving the tags kids.


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    #634
    Einhard
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    Jakkass wrote: »
    As someone who would believe that Western Europe has gone very much in the wrong direction, I can't see a leaning towards not believing as being progressive. Actually, I would probably go as far as saying that it is regressive.

    That's an interesting arguement to make. I'd like though, what state do you believe we have regressed from? If there has to be regression, it has to be from a certain point, so what part of Western Europe's history would you identify with that point?


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    #635
    Galvasean
    Registered Users Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    How come atheists are so often on the offence and rarely on the defence then?

    Rarely on the defence? Tell me, who started this thread and for what purpose?

    edit: not to mention the weekly "You atheists do this!" thread we get in A&A
    midlandsmissus wrote:
    Maybe because spiritual people are more respectful of other's beliefs?

    See above.
    midlandsmissus wrote:
    I could think of a load of things I could question you about the intricacies of atheism, but I choose not to as I think 'live and let live'., and I think everyone is on their own learning path and I respect that.

    Really? Your posts in A&A say otherwise...
    midlandsmissus wrote:
    Who are you to tell some-one else they are misguided?

    I live in the free world and have every right to question those who I feel are misguided and/or wrong. This applies to opinions on politics, sport, science, current affairs, popular culture, film trivia and even religion.
    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    Thanks for putting that so eloquently Galvasean :rolleyes:

    Actually my post was twofold.

    1) It was me acting as one of those atheists whom can't tell the difference between Catholic and any other sort of theism (a sort of joke at the expense of atheism).

    2) I have read your posts in A&A and it appears you have neglected to mention those who know fully well you do not subscribe to Catholocism but manage to debate with you hjust fine without the use for strawmanning. Interesting that you never mention them...


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    #636
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,191 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    I'm not specifically talking to you.

    I debate alot in the A&A forum on here and any debate I EVER have, I am assumed to be Catholic.

    If you look at the majority or the arguments in the A&A forum, it's about how stupid the Catholic Church is.

    If you have a conversation with one of the trendy atheists in real life, their argument will focus on how stupid the Catholic Church is.

    What I am trying to say is,is that this makes no sense at all in the idea of atheism. Drives me mad!

    Well you are going to have to reconcile with the fact that, in Ireland (after all, this IS an Irish website), the VAST majority of creationists are members of the RCC.

    If you are not a member of the RCC and someone presumes you are, maybe you could try to correct them rather than trying to use their presumption as some sort of tool to say............. whatever it is you're trying to say!

    You're still making no sense to me in the context of the thread. You obviously haven't read it!


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    #637
    mikom
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    Malty_T wrote: »
    Average life expectancy 100 plus


    lol


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    #638
    ragg
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    Mr. Loverman wrote: »
    If someone told you they believe in unicorns and talk to invisible ones every day, you'd probably also become very puzzled and find it hard to talk to them about it in a respectful, understanding manner.

    If it gave them comfort in their life then i would have no problem with it.
    There is nothing wrong with being spiritual or religious.


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    #639
    krudler
    Registered Users Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    I believe in God, does that make me a bad person?

    I do not practise any religion but I do say God bless a lot, and I think I mean it.

    Which god? its a genuine question. what god suits your idea of what a god should or shouldnt be the most?


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    #640
    MrMojoRisin
    Registered Users Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭MrMojoRisin


    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    I believe in God, does that make me a bad person?

    No.


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    #641
    Mr. Loverman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭Mr. Loverman


    ragg wrote: »
    If it gave them comfort in their life then i would have no problem with it.
    There is nothing wrong with being spiritual or religious.

    But you would still think they were deluded, no?


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    #642
    ragg
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    Mr. Loverman wrote: »
    But you would still think they were deluded, no?

    Why?


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    #643
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,191 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    ragg wrote: »
    If it gave them comfort in their life then i would have no problem with it.
    There is nothing wrong with being spiritual or religious.

    :rolleyes:

    the oldest Cop-Out in the book.

    Religion is about MUCH MORE than comfort as you well know.


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    #644
    midlandsmissus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Rarely on the defence? Tell me, who started this thread and for what purpose?

    edit: not to mention the weekly "You atheists do this!" thread we get in A&A



    See above.



    Really? Your posts in A&A say otherwise...



    I live in the free world and have every right to question those who I feel are misguided and/or wrong. This applies to opinions on politics, sport, science, current affairs, popular culture, film trivia and even religion.



    Actually my post was twofold.

    1) It was me acting as one of those atheists whom can't tell the difference between Catholic and any other sort of theism (a sort of joke at the expense of atheism).

    2) I have read your posts in A&A and it appears you have neglected to mention those who know fully well you do not subscribe to Catholocism but manage to debate with you hjust fine without the use for strawmanning. Interesting that you never mention them...

    Obviously they know I'm not Catholic after I have told them. I'm talking about any new atheist I meet, if I say I believe in God, I get hit with a barrage of insults about the Catholic Church. Gets tiring after a while...


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    #645
    krudler
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    ragg wrote: »
    What i found funny is how aggressive athiesm has become. Most athiests these days try and force their beliefs more than any religious person does.

    I find it peculiar that they feel the need to do this, I think it is probably a deep rooted fear of being wrong and going to hell

    Calling bullsh1t on that right now, how many athiests have called to your door or stopped you on the street trying to convince you god doesnt exist? not one I'm betting.


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    #646
    Micky Dolenz
    Registered Users Posts: 44,080 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    krudler wrote: »
    Which god? its a genuine question. what god suits your idea of what a god should or shouldnt be the most?


    Good question, I don't know really, more that I feel it. I believe in spirits, that they exist. I believe that we are energy, and energy can never be destroyed, it only changes forms.


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    #647
    MagicMarker
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    Malty_T wrote: »
    True.
    So you are an agnostic theist?

    No, she's a catholic who doesn't agree with any of Catholicism's teachings. Didn't you know that? :p


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    #648
    ragg
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    MrStuffins wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    the oldest Cop-Out in the book.

    Religion is about MUCH MORE than comfort as you well know.

    Like what exactly? What is it about "religion" that you have a problem with?


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    #649
    MrStuffins
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    ragg wrote: »
    Why?

    Because their set of beliefs are total lies?


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    #650
    krudler
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    MrStuffins wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    the oldest Cop-Out in the book.

    Religion is about MUCH MORE than comfort as you well know.

    Religion treats people like mushrooms, feeds em sh1t and keeps them in the dark.


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    #651
    midlandsmissus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    krudler wrote: »
    No really, what the fcuk are you talking about?

    Care to actually ask me about a specific point? Or is this how you structure your arguments?

    Yes, I admit it I am on a short fuse about atheists today, we're all human! Sometimes they just really really annoy me...


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    #652
    MrMojoRisin
    Registered Users Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭MrMojoRisin


    Einhard wrote: »
    That's an interesting arguement to make. I'd like though, what state do you believe we have regressed from? If there has to be regression, it has to be from a certain point, so what part of Western Europe's history would you identify with that point?

    Technically, humanity has gone from a state of order into disorder if the thermodynamic and cosmological arrows of time are to be believed. Our world has expanded from order into disorder over many millennia.

    But that's a whole other kettle of fish, I know...


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    #653
    MrStuffins
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    ragg wrote: »
    Like what exactly? What is it about "religion" that you have a problem with?

    Wait...... you are now claiming that religion is ALL about comfort?

    Are you serious?


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    #654
    Mr. Loverman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭Mr. Loverman


    krudler wrote: »
    Calling bullsh1t on that right now, how many athiests have called to your door or stopped you on the street trying to convince you god doesnt exist? not one I'm betting.

    A religious freak (and he was a freak) called to my door the other day and started insulting me when I told him I think evolution makes a lot more sense than creationism.

    No athiest has ever called to my door asking to speak about evolution.


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    #655
    Ickle Magoo
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    Jakkass wrote: »
    As someone who would believe that Western Europe has gone very much in the wrong direction, I can't see a leaning towards not believing as being progressive. Actually, I would probably go as far as saying that it is regressive.

    Nannying discourse, or not nannying discourse has nothing to do with religiosity.

    I didn't think for a minute you'd agree that moving away from religiosity would be progressive - I think it is, I think stopping relying on ancient texts and supporting man-made prejudices can only be considered progressive.

    I'd have to disagree that for centuries now the powers that be have been guided, leaned on and dictated to by various religions - until very recently church and state entwinement was the very definition of nannying discourse - in everything from contraception to school curriculum.
    Jakkass wrote: »
    Gah. I hate the term dark ages, as it results from an ignorance of the Middle Ages (after studying Renaissance philosophy it makes a lot more sense). That aside, I get your point!

    It results from popular linguistic usage and the connotation it depicts, I appreciate it's not a popular term for historians, however, I did manage to avoid using the reformation as the point of enlightenment. :pac:


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    #656
    MrStuffins
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    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    Care to actually ask me about a specific point? Or is this how you structure your arguments?

    Yes, I admit it I am on a short fuse about atheists today, we're all human! Sometimes they just really really annoy me...


    Let me ask you a question...... have you read the thread?


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    [Deleted User]
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    ragg wrote: »
    What i found funny is how aggressive athiesm has become. Most athiests these days try and force their beliefs more than any religious person does.

    I find it peculiar that they feel the need to do this, I think it is probably a deep rooted fear of being wrong and going to hell


    I don't know of any atheists that call door to door to tell you about Jesus. Our reaction is normally to "in your face" religious people.

    Also, I wouldn't be afraid of going to this "hell" you speak of, it'll be something to do, because I currently don't have anything planned for after I die.


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    #658
    Mr. Loverman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭Mr. Loverman


    ragg wrote: »
    Why?

    Because they believe in and talk to invisible unicorns.

    I know you secretely agree with me...


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    #659
    Galvasean
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    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    Obviously they know I'm not Catholic after I have told them. I'm talking about any new atheist I meet, if I say I believe in God, I get hit with a barrage of insults about the Catholic Church. Gets tiring after a while...

    Maybe you should hang out with more intelligent atheists?

    ...or just stop strawmanning.


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    #660
    MrMojoRisin
    Registered Users Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭MrMojoRisin


    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    [...] Yes, I admit it I am on a short fuse about atheists today, we're all human! Sometimes they just really really annoy me...

    Lmao! :)


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    #661
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    Obviously they know I'm not Catholic after I have told them. I'm talking about any new atheist I meet, if I say I believe in God, I get hit with a barrage of insults about the Catholic Church. Gets tiring after a while...

    Often go around telling people you believe in god do ya?


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