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"no, I'm actually an athiest"

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    #782
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,191 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    baz2009 wrote: »
    Any Atheist that I know is an arrogant cúnt, tbh. They all seem to think that their better than us because we believe that there is a God and we go to mass.

    I'm not saying all Atheists are like this, just the ones I know.

    Except one fella, he's sound.:pac:

    Cheers Baz :p


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    #783
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    Admittedly liah. I wouldn't encourage the use of the term macro or micro normally, because they are only describing one thing evolution. The use of the term macroevolution allows people to partially accept evolution, but deny the part of it that doesn't suit them. The reality is that if microevolution occurs then it is more than likely that macroevolution does too. If we cut out the unnecessary distinction we get to evolution occurs.

    I find in dealing with Young Earth Creationism, the best solution it actually to listen, without ridicule, and to put your point of view across about the age of the earth. Generally I would give them the time to speak, and give Biblical reasons why I disagree with YEC understanding of Genesis, and give some scientific evidence for why this simply cannot be the case. Physics, in terms of the Big Bang, puts the universe at 13.7bn years old, earth at 4.3bn. Likewise evolution is demonstrable and testable in the lab, and can describe the evolution of viruses such as Swine Flu.

    Ridicule will make people more against what you have to say.


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    #784
    3hn2givr7mx1sc
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    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Cheers Baz :p

    :pac:

    I suppose I may re-phrase that. All the Atheists I know in person, not all the cool Atheists on Boards.:P


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    #785
    liah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭liah


    Jakkass wrote: »
    Admittedly liah. I wouldn't encourage the use of the term macro or micro normally, because they are only describing one thing evolution. The use of the term macroevolution allows people to partially accept evolution, but deny the part of it that doesn't suit them. The reality is that if microevolution occurs then it is more than likely that macroevolution does too. If we cut out the unnecessary distinction we get to evolution occurs.

    I'm just trying to figure out what his discrepancy is, offering terms to try to figure out where it's coming from more than anything really.


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    #786
    OutlawPete
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    MagicMarker wrote: »
    Well, which is it?

    There two quotes do NOT contradict each other,in as you are so smugly trying to imply.

    I don't believe the latter, precisely because I don't accept the former.


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    #787
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    There two quotes do NOT contradict each other,in as you are so smugly trying to imply.

    I don't believe the latter, precisely because I don't accept the former.
    Actually, saying that you believe that humans, plants and animals are evolving but you don't believe in evolution would qualify itself as a contradiction, a substantial one at that.


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    #788
    Saganist
    Registered Users Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭Saganist


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    Of FFS!!!

    When will you people get it into your head, that just because there are some people that do not accept ALL aspects of the Theory Of Evolution, DOES NOT mean that they do not believe that humans, plants and animals are evolving.

    Is what you are saying is that you believe in Micro-evolution and not Macro-evolution ?


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    #789
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,191 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    There two quotes do NOT contradict each other,in as you are so smugly trying to imply.

    I don't believe the latter, precisely because I don't accept the former.

    But it's funny, last night you insisted on arguing with me over Evolution.

    However, i had never once said i believe in "Darwin's Theory of Evolution", i only said Evolution!

    It was you who brought Darwin into the conversation (and Dawkins for some strange reason).

    So, in fairness, you were and are only arguing with yourself here.


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    #790
    philologos
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    This thread reminds me that I must finish reading The Greatest Show on Earth. The examples from dog breeding also make it quite clear how evolution works. Humans have been breeding dogs based on what genetic traits they wish to select. Humans in breeding select the traits. The difference in terms of biological evolution, is that nature selects the traits. What traits lend to survival (not always positive traits) are those which are passed on to subsequent generations.

    I wouldn't say that I am an expert on any of this by any means, but it does make sense, and it does make looking into life a little bit more fascinating. (Life I believe was created by God of course).


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    #791
    Evil Phil
    Registered Users Posts: 7,468 ✭✭✭Evil Phil


    baz2009 wrote: »
    Any Atheist that I know is an arrogant cúnt, tbh. They all seem to think that their better than us because we believe that there is a God and we go to mass.

    What about synagogues, mosques and people who go to church on Sundays? What about the naked, circley, witch things the wiccans do? The only people who seem to have a problem with that are other religious.


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    #792
    JohnathanM
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    Evil Phil wrote: »
    What about the naked, circley, witch things the Wiccans do?

    Tell me more...


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    #793
    fontanalis
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    OutlawPete wrote: »
    Of FFS!!!

    When will you people get it into your head, that just because there are some people that do not accept ALL aspects of the Theory Of Evolution, DOES NOT mean that they do not believe that humans, plants and animals are evolving.

    By all aspects you mean that god must have made humans?


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    #794
    grizzly
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    Jesus said that many tests would be placed before man before judgement day. I can't wait until the day atheists are queuing to see St. Peter at the gates of heaven. All their so called "theories" of "science" won't save them then. Dawkins and his ilk have special place in hell waiting for them!!!!!!!!!!


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    #795
    MrStuffins
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    grizzly wrote: »
    Jesus said that many tests would be placed before man before judgement day. I can't wait until the day atheists are queuing to see St. Peter at the gates of heaven. All their so called "theories" of "science" won't save them then. Dawkins and his ilk have special place in hell waiting for them!!!!!!!!!!

    It's ok, God is supposed to forgive us is he not?

    Sure he loves me.

    AND i have loads of creationists praying for me since they heard i don't believe in God!

    I've pretty much got a Golden Ticket my friend ;)


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    #796
    JohnathanM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 410 ✭✭JohnathanM


    grizzly wrote: »
    Jesus said that many tests would be placed before man before judgement day. I can't wait until the day atheists are queuing to see St. Peter at the gates of heaven. All their so called "theories" of "science" won't save them then. Dawkins and his ink have special place in hell waiting for them!!!!!!!!!!

    We're also told that God is omnipotent, and so fully aware that many of those He creates would apply the intellect and free will given to them to come to the conclusion that they don't believe in Him.

    So, God created people purely in order to punish them for all eternity. Nice God, Christianity has there. Are all the others like that?


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    #797
    Turtwig
    Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Jakkass wrote: »
    This thread reminds me that I must finish reading The Greatest Show on Earth. The examples from dog breeding also make it quite clear how evolution works. Humans have been breeding dogs based on what genetic traits they wish to select. Humans in breeding select the traits. The difference in terms of biological evolution, is that nature selects the traits. What traits lend to survival (not always positive traits) are those which are passed on to subsequent generations.

    I wouldn't say that I am an expert on any of this by any means, but it does make sense, and it does make looking into life a little bit more fascinating. (Life I believe was created by God of course).

    Not wanting to add to your reading list even further but has anyone here Kenneth Miller's book "Finding Darwin's God." It's been on my to do list with a quite a while now. Alas, like Jakkass, I have yet to finish the GSOE.:o


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    #798
    c_man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,436 ✭✭✭c_man


    PAULWATSON wrote: »
    These days, it seems everyone is tearing about the place mouthing off about "being an athiest".

    Is this some sort of snobbish "new, new Ireland" thing that has passed me bye?

    I remember being taught back in Junior Cert religion, how the recent increase in atheism was merely down to people wanting to "be cool"... over 12 years on and some people still believe this to be the case.

    Longest fad ever :pac:

    Are you a smug little athiest?
    No bible basher myself, however I don't ever want to be confused with an athiest. I don't pride myself on "the scientific method", or believe in evolution for that matter.
    ......................
    (paedo this, paedo that, blah, blah, catholic church, blah, had enough, blah, superstition, blah, we're so educated, blah.)

    Does taking pride in having a little education, and being outraged by the carry on regarding child rape make me smug?


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    #799
    fontanalis
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    grizzly wrote: »
    Jesus said that many tests would be placed before man before judgement day. I can't wait until the day atheists are queuing to see St. Peter at the gates of heaven. All their so called "theories" of "science" won't save them then. Dawkins and his ilk have special place in hell waiting for them!!!!!!!!!!

    Does the bible not say that only 144,000 people will get into heaven?


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    #800
    Turtwig
    Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    grizzly wrote: »
    Jesus said that many tests would be placed before man before judgement day. I can't wait until the day atheists are queuing to see St. Peter at the gates of heaven. All their so called "theories" of "science" won't save them then. Dawkins and his ilk have special place in hell waiting for them!!!!!!!!!!

    I can't wait till Chrisitans reach those pearly gates and find out the Jews were right.:pac:


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    #801
    grizzly
    Registered Users Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭grizzly


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    It's ok, God is supposed to forgive us is he not?)

    Only if we beg for his mercy and are truly repentant. So your so called "Golden Ticket" will burn with you in the fires of everlasting hell.


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    #802
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,191 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    grizzly wrote: »
    Only if we beg for his mercy and are truly repentant. So your so called "Golden Ticket" will burn with you in the fires of everlasting hell.

    Here hold on, do you not think that if i died and found out i was wrong and if i didnt repent i'd go to hell, that i wouldn't be truly repentant?

    Of course i would! :D


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    #803
    Marcus.Aurelius
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    grizzly wrote: »
    Only if we beg for his mercy and are truly repentant. So your so called "Golden Ticket" will burn with you in the fires of everlasting hell.

    ..........but he loves you.

    Allegedly. :pac:


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    #804
    fontanalis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭fontanalis


    grizzly wrote: »
    Only if we beg for his mercy and are truly repentant. So your so called "Golden Ticket" will burn with you in the fires of everlasting hell.

    So after creating the entire universe he needs to be vindicated by people begging to him?


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    #805
    Turtwig
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    grizzly wrote: »
    Only if we beg for his mercy and are truly repentant. So your so called "Golden Ticket" will burn with you in the fires of everlasting hell.

    If He requires begging then I'd rather spend an eternity in Hell than give in to such a tyrant. That said, I do believe, most Christians nowadays don't believe in the idea of a fire and brimstone Hell. Just a place of absence from God. Am I right? *Cough* Jakkass *Cough*


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    #806
    philologos
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    grizzly wrote: »
    Only if we beg for his mercy and are truly repentant. So your so called "Golden Ticket" will burn with you in the fires of everlasting hell.

    Not quite. All it means is that you accept that you've done wrong, and that you need to be forgiven. Jesus died in our place, so that we might not have to receive the punishment that we deserved. God brought Christ into the world, so that we might not go to to hell. That's the whole point.

    I don't deserve to go to heaven, but if I am being judged based on Christ rather than on my own, then yes I certainly will.


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    #807
    JohnathanM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 410 ✭✭JohnathanM


    Jakkass wrote: »
    receive the punishment that we deserved.

    See, it's that sort of thing that gets my back up. What do you mean, we deserve it? What have I ever done that warrants fiery lakes and nothing on TV be re-runs of "Who's the Boss?"?


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    #808
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,191 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    JohnathanM wrote: »
    See, it's that sort of thing that gets my back up. What do you mean, we deserve it? What have I ever done that warrants fiery lakes and nothing on TV be re-runs of "Who's the Boss?"?

    Original sin, am i right?


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    #809
    JohnathanM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 410 ✭✭JohnathanM


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Original sin, am i right?

    Right, so I'm going to burn because some weak-minded fool munched on an apple, just in the hope he might get some. Curse you, ribs!


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    #810
    grizzly
    Registered Users Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭grizzly


    “Father, I know that I have broken your laws and my sins have separated me from you. I am truly sorry, and now I want to turn away from my past sinful life toward you. Please forgive me, and help me avoid sinning again. I believe that your son, Jesus Christ died for my sins, was resurrected from the dead, is alive, and hears my prayer. I invite Jesus to become the Lord of my life, to rule and reign in my heart from this day forward. Please send your Holy Spirit to help me obey You, and to do Your will for the rest of my life. In Jesus' name I pray, Amen.”


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    #811
    fontanalis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭fontanalis


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Original sin, am i right?

    I think so, and if jesus really is god (trinity and all that) then he's sacrificing himself to save us from him.


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