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"no, I'm actually an athiest"

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    #872
    Noreen1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,654 ✭✭✭Noreen1


    I got to page 36, and decided to skip the rest!:D

    Some atheists seem to go out of their way to sneer at believers at every opportunity. I tend to ignore their posts.

    Some believers are equally annoying. I ignore them, too.

    Personally, I don't care what anyone believes, or disbelieves.
    It's when any one group tries to infringe on the rights of another that I get annoyed.

    Sadly, there are people in both categories who assume they have a right to do so - based on the notion that fighting for "their" rights gives them "carte blanche" to trample all over everyone else.....

    Whenever all of us learn the basic courtesy of showing respect for others, then genuine problems in society can start to be addressed.
    "Militants" in either group can only delay this, however.

    Noreen


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    #873
    Turtwig
    Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Saganist wrote: »
    Its quite a simple question. How long did it take Him ?

    Did you not read my post? It's a meaningless question and Jakkass answered it correctly. How do you measure the distance between objects when distance doesn't exist? You can't. How do you measure the time elapsed when time doesn't exist? You can't.


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    #874
    Saganist
    Registered Users Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭Saganist


    Caesar Augustus wrote: »
    Isn't that the very definition of Christianity and why people should just ignore it?

    Why don't you believe in Zeus?

    Why would I ?


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    #875
    Helix
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    Noreen1 wrote: »
    Personally, I don't care what anyone believes, or disbelieves.
    It's when any one group tries to infringe on the rights of another that I get annoyed.

    like it being so hard for non catholic kids to get into a school in ireland? or no non catholics being unable to have a pint on good friday? or atheists being unable to become judges?

    atheists are persecuted by the state, but its alright, coz theyre atheists so its not actually religious persecution

    its non religious persecution, which is fine


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    #876
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    Caesar Augustus - Nothing should be ignored off the cuff. Things should be investigated, and questioned. Yes, that would include Homer and Hessiod on Zeus if one was inclined to investigate it.


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    #877
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,191 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Saganist wrote: »
    This is where I have a problem. How can you know this ? Again, it's an assumption and is where your point falls down !

    Of course it's an assumption.

    A lot of The Big bang theory is assumption as well though. We don't know all there is to know about it. Although we ARE working on it!


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    #878
    Donkey Oaty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    Caesar Augustus wrote: »
    Why don't you believe in Zeus?

    Because Zeus did durty things with Ganymede.


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    #879
    Saganist
    Registered Users Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭Saganist


    Malty_T wrote: »
    Did you not read my post? It's a meaningless question and Jakkass answered it correctly. How do you measure the distance between objects when distance doesn't exist? You can't. How do you measure the time elapsed when time doesn't exist? You can't.

    Exactly.. So from us not knowing. To "God did it".

    Sorry but that doesn't hold water with me. Why not just say that these things are unknowable ?


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    #880
    Marcus.Aurelius
    Registered Users Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭Marcus.Aurelius


    Saganist wrote: »
    Why would I ?

    The reason people don't believe in Zeus is the same reason atheists don't believe in Yahweh.

    Not one shred of proof. Not at all. Zip. Nada.

    EDIT: Go investigate if you're curious.


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    #881
    Turtwig
    Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Saganist wrote: »
    This is where I have a problem. How can you know this ? Again, it's an assumption and is where your point falls down !

    It's not an assumption, whatever "started" the Big Bang be it a Quantum Fluctuation or some other natural process, or even a Supernatural entity started time as we know it. So if that process or entity created time then logically speaking it must have been independent of time before the emergence of time from space.


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    #882
    Helix
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    Malty_T wrote: »
    Did you not read my post? It's a meaningless question and Jakkass answered it correctly. How do you measure the distance between objects when distance doesn't exist? You can't. How do you measure the time elapsed when time doesn't exist? You can't.

    i created time

    prove otherwise


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    #883
    5uspect
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,518 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    Saganist wrote: »
    Its quite a simple question. How long did it take Him ?

    It's not simple at all if "He" created time in the process.


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    #884
    Saganist
    Registered Users Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭Saganist


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Of course it's an assumption.

    A lot of The Big bang theory is assumption as well though. We don't know all there is to know about it. Although we ARE working on it!

    Yet it's more plausible than an omnipotent God.

    We know the Universe is expanding, and a lot of good work has been done to explain how things started. The Big Bang being the best of the bunch. Where in this work do we invoke a God as the one who started it ?

    And if we do, shouldn't we be asking the next question ? Where did God come from ?


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    #885
    Marcus.Aurelius
    Registered Users Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭Marcus.Aurelius


    Tom Slick wrote: »
    Zeus?! and you a Roman emperor.

    And a deity.

    Fine....

    Jupiter then.

    :p


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    #886
    Turtwig
    Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Helix wrote: »
    i created time

    prove otherwise

    You consist of atoms that were made from heavy elements when stars when super novae, such super novae do not happen at the tiniest scales of our universe nor do atoms exist.


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    #887
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,191 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Caesar Augustus wrote: »
    The reason people don't believe in Zeus is the same reason atheists don't believe in Yahweh.

    Not one shred of proof. Not at all. Zip. Nada.

    EDIT: Go investigate if you're curious.

    So..this is a Photoshop job?

    I refuse to believe it!


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    #888
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,191 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Saganist wrote: »
    Yet it's more plausible than an omnipotent God.

    We know the Universe is expanding, and a lot of good work has been done to explain how things started. The Big Bang being the best of the bunch. Where in this work do we invoke a God as the one who started it ?

    And if we do, shouldn't we be asking the next question ? Where did God come from ?

    Indeed we should.

    But "How long...?" is the wrong question to ask as he might've been creating Time along with the Earth!


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    #889
    5uspect
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,518 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    Saganist wrote: »
    Yet it's more plausible than an omnipotent God.

    We know the Universe is expanding, and a lot of good work has been done to explain how things started. The Big Bang being the best of the bunch. Where in this work do we invoke a God as the one who started it ?

    And if we do, shouldn't we be asking the next question ? Where did God come from ?

    It's turtles all the way down.


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    #890
    JohnathanM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 410 ✭✭JohnathanM


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    So..this is a Photoshop job?

    I refuse to believe it!

    Nah, it's a shoop. I can tell from some of the pixels.


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    #891
    Saganist
    Registered Users Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭Saganist


    Malty_T wrote: »
    It's not an assumption, whatever "started" the Big Bang be it a Quantum Fluctuation or some other natural process, or even a Supernatural entity started time as we know it. So if that process or entity created time then logically speaking it must have been independent of time before the emergence of time from space.


    "whatever "started" the Big Bang" you say.

    why do we assume this ?That there was some outside force, be it God or Natural...

    Couldn't we just as easily say that the universe created itself in a natural cycle ? This eliminates the need for anything to exist outside of the Universe.


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    #892
    Donkey Oaty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    So..this is a Photoshop job?

    I refuse to believe it!

    Thank God for that. I thought it was going to be one of those pictures of Zeus in his natural pose, which is with his meat and two veg out.


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    #893
    Saganist
    Registered Users Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭Saganist


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Indeed we should.

    But "How long...?" is the wrong question to ask as he might've been creating Time along with the Earth!

    And again. when and where does HE come into it ?


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    #894
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,191 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Saganist wrote: »
    And again. when and where does HE come into it ?

    You tell me, you asked the question.


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    #895
    Helix
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    Malty_T wrote: »
    You consist of atoms that were made from heavy elements when stars when super novae, such super novae do not happen at the tiniest scales of our universe nor do atoms exist.

    my BODY is made of atoms yeah

    but my body is just the vessel for me to exist in physical form right here, right now. kinda like that jesus chap

    in reality, the real me is a magical all powerful being that exists on a plane you cant comprehend. id explain it to you, but you wouldnt understand so instead ill just use that as an excuse.

    but i digress, i created time and the universe. i also created this "god" joker you guys claim to be the all poweful one

    again disprove it

    ill just throw believers logic back at you every time


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    #896
    Saganist
    Registered Users Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭Saganist


    Laurence Kruss..

    A Universe from NOTHING. Have a watch..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo


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    #897
    Saganist
    Registered Users Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭Saganist


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    You tell me, you asked the question.

    He doesn't. EVER.. Why would he.


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    #898
    Helix
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    5uspect wrote: »
    It's not simple at all if "He" created time in the process.

    there still needed to be a start point and an end point

    and again, i created time


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    #899
    Marcus.Aurelius
    Registered Users Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭Marcus.Aurelius


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    So..this is a Photoshop job?

    I refuse to believe it!

    Well I wouldn't want to upset you.

    /condescending talk


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    #900
    Donkey Oaty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    The creator of time speaks in lower case, it appears.

    That might be useful to know at the next pub quiz.


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    #901
    Helix
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    Donkey Oaty wrote: »
    The creator of time speaks in lower case, it appears

    its because he's a journalist who likes to disregard grammar rules on his down time


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