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New RTE layout

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  • 09-10-2010 4:58pm
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    jmcc
    Registered Users Posts: 7,412 ✭✭✭


    RTE is launching a new layout next week. It looks very familiar. Perhaps if I switch channels I'd remember where I saw it. :)

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1008/rte_new_sites_gallery.html

    Actually it is quite an improvement and has some nice features.

    Regards...jmcc


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    Mike...
    Registered Users Posts: 956 ✭✭✭Mike...


    I like it alot, RTE have made solid developments with each and every build


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    Cakes.
    Registered Users Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭Cakes.


    What channels website does it look like ..?


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    jmcc
    Registered Users Posts: 7,412 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Cakesofrice wrote: »
    What channels website does it look like ..?
    I was wondering if they were using the BBC's approach. ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/gel/ ). However RTE is one of the better Irish news sites so there's been a bit of thought put into the design. Those GEL documents should be required reading for webdevs as they lay out the design procedure and architecture very clearly.

    Regards...jmcc


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    p
    Registered Users Posts: 2,119 ✭✭✭p


    I wonder if it was designed by Fine Gael's designers.


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    darkman2
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    Wonder what day this is being introduced on? Badly needed.


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    Placebo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,070 ✭✭✭Placebo


    looks alot like http://michaelhutagalung.com/2008/05/arthemia-magazine-blog-wordpress-theme-released/

    OR more so a modification i made of the above with different colours etc


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    Pixelcraft
    Registered Users Posts: 742 ✭✭✭Pixelcraft


    It's an improvement but I still feel that everything's fighting for your attention on the page, will be interesting to see it in its proper context


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    jmcc
    Registered Users Posts: 7,412 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Pixelcraft wrote: »
    It's an improvement but I still feel that everything's fighting for your attention on the page, will be interesting to see it in its proper context
    It is surprising how many web developers never learn the importance of information architecture and print design. Presenting information is quite different from the average graphically intensive design where the information may be a just few sentences in length.

    The BBC GEL is very well thought through with cues and hints as to the importance of various sections and subsections. Most people don't notice these things but are unconsciously guided by them.

    One of the strongest elements of RTE's website is the sheer depth of content. To date, it has been very hard to find that data. How they handle the new search facility should be interesting - hopefully it will make it a lot easier to find stuff.

    Regards...jmcc


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    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,642 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The new design won't be worth a damn if they don't take the chance to finally remove Real Player from the site. It's well and good trumpeting about RTE player, but the fact most of the clips on the site are played through RealPlayer is just ... neanderthal.


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    Pixelcraft
    Registered Users Posts: 742 ✭✭✭Pixelcraft


    pixelburp wrote: »
    It's well and good trumpeting about RTE player

    Actually imo they missed a massive opportunity when they decided to use flash for the rte player


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    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,867 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Pixelcraft wrote: »
    Actually imo they missed a massive opportunity when they decided to use flash for the rte player
    I presume that you mean they decided *not* to use flash


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    Pixelcraft
    Registered Users Posts: 742 ✭✭✭Pixelcraft


    kbannon wrote: »
    I presume that you mean they decided *not* to use flash

    Unless I'm visiting a completely different RTE player, it is entirely flash?


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    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,867 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    So I see
    http://www.rte.ie/player/ appears to be a beta in Flash whilst http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1011/thefrontline_av.html appears to be the original version in RealPLayer


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    Pixelcraft
    Registered Users Posts: 742 ✭✭✭Pixelcraft


    Yup it's been in beta for quite a while shame to see it use flash when it could be html5 video with a flash fallback


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    pixelburp
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    Pixelcraft wrote: »
    Actually imo they missed a massive opportunity when they decided to use flash for the rte player
    Not really; you can argue about the pros, cons and atari-jaguars of HTML5 video all day, but when most of the RTE site's video is still in Real Media format, that's just weak


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    Pixelcraft
    Registered Users Posts: 742 ✭✭✭Pixelcraft


    There are no cons simple as (I mentioned a fallback flash player could easily be used), but this isn't the thread for that discussion.


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    spockety
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    Pixelcraft wrote: »
    Yup it's been in beta for quite a while shame to see it use flash when it could be html5 video with a flash fallback

    ...

    There are no cons simple as (I mentioned a fallback flash player could easily be used), but this isn't the thread for that discussion.


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=67269425&postcount=97

    http://apiblog.youtube.com/2010/06/flash-and-html5-tag.html


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    Pixelcraft
    Registered Users Posts: 742 ✭✭✭Pixelcraft


    As I said above and quoted by you spockety, you can implement html5 video with a flash fallback, something RTE were either unaware of or ignored. It's probably the fact that there's too much work done already for the flash solution to ditch it for a more standards compliant solution.

    Edit: I notice the new site is live now, well done it's a much better improvement over the old site


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    D Hayes
    Registered Users Posts: 511 ✭✭✭D Hayes


    Does anyone know who got the design contract for the job? I think it was tendered out last year.

    And do RTE have an internal development team, or is that outsourced also?

    I like it too by the way.


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    rorymcgrory
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    RTE has an internal team. All developed in house


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    Pixelcraft
    Registered Users Posts: 742 ✭✭✭Pixelcraft


    They do have a team, are you sure this wasn't outsourced to an agency though?


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    rorymcgrory
    Registered Users Posts: 267 ✭✭rorymcgrory


    Yes it was definitely developed inhouse


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    #24
    youcancallmeal
    Registered Users Posts: 8,023 ✭✭✭youcancallmeal


    I'm always fascinated at why website owners feel the need to do massive redesigns every few years? I thought the old RTE was fine. I don't hate the new one, I'll get used to eventually but I'm not seeing any advantage in spending vast sums of money on the redesign? Unless its a way of drumming up interest and getting more hits for the advertisers?


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    lil_lisa
    Registered Users Posts: 1,829 ✭✭✭lil_lisa


    I don't like it at all. Checking rte news was among a necessity every morning along with checking emails and the like. I would simply go to rte.ie/news and be given a list of the most important news in the world at that moment. Now its all split up and moved around and seems scattered and I don't like it. Like there's too much to look at at the same time.

    ...I'm sure I'll get used to it, I must adapt to change, change is good! I'll return when I do with nicer comments.


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    #26
    Bob_Harris
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭Bob_Harris


    Looks far to busy and messy for me.

    Also each of the sections look different. The Sport section is still in the old look, Entertainment, News, TV, etc don't even use the same header. Very disjointed.


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    aidan_walsh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,208 ✭✭✭✭aidan_walsh


    Bob_Harris wrote: »
    Looks far to busy and messy for me.

    Also each of the sections look different. The Sport section is still in the old look, Entertainment, News, TV, etc don't even use the same header. Very disjointed.
    The new rollout was only for the homepage and news/business sections pointed out. The other sections will be updated over time to catch up.


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    #28
    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    OK question. Is there anyway to get the flash player to buffer more than 4kb for me. I have changed the settings around but it always seem to buffer the same even though I have given it a full allocation of my HDD.
    Better still anyway to stream to real player? Being abroad I can watch news etc but plays for 2 seconds then buffers, then plays for another 2 seconds etc etc.

    Really annoying!


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    #29
    Dean820
    Registered Users Posts: 2,099 ✭✭✭Dean820


    I have to make an effort to find the iPlayer now, whereas before it was just there. The previous version was simple and it worked fine.


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