214th Merseyside Derby - 17/10. KO 1.30PM

ilovelamp2000

Should we put Kenny in charge for the second half ?

That'll change everything

rossie1977

Rosco1982 wrote: »

This is what I don't get.

Last season our tactics were pretty identical. But Rafa's a tactical genius and Roy hasn't got a clue ?

last year rafa went to places like goodison to win and he won comfortably and the year before that too

woy doesn't know how to win away from home, he sets out his teams to try and not get beat

x in the city

coleman should walk into traps team, ffs he is more creative that most of our midfielders.

they dont call him seamus ramos for nowt....

Dublin_Gunner

At least Gerrard looks like he's trying. Few good balls being pinged around, and he's getting stuck in. Can't really fault Meireles either.

Maxi, Cole & Lucas have been shocking.

We need a new midfield pretty much.

I'd be inclined to give Babel a run out, and maybe even Aurelio wide left. Even Jovanovich would be better ffs.

argosy2006

Rosco1982 wrote: »

So what changes would everyone make ?

none at the min,
just push foward, have our back 4 playing on half way line,, lets see if they can get in behind us, reina is good sweeper lol:D

ntlbell

whatawaster wrote: »

I'm ashamed to say I really don't care if we win or lose today. I felt nothing when that goal went in

your dedication to your team is truly inspiring.

whatawaster

Rosco1982 wrote: »

So what changes would everyone make ?

Dave in, Lucas out

mike65

Rosco1982 wrote: »

So what changes would everyone make ?

I'd spend 100 million quid and, oh sorry now? Go 4-4-2 with N'Gog dropping Lucas and trying Babel on the right at least he has some pace.

MR NINE

flahavaj wrote: »

What is it with Liverpool this season and poor first halves? It seems every game they go in losing only to up their game somewhat second half.

Its coz we're only playing in our own half for the first half, as the opposition begin to tire in the second half, we're full of energy having done **** all bar watch the other team in the first half.

LuckyLloyd

Rosco1982 wrote: »

This is what I don't get.

Last season our tactics were pretty identical. But Rafa's a tactical genius and Roy hasn't got a clue ?

We didn't set ourself out in this manner under Benitez. The formation was the same, but the actual approach in terms of pressing and getting bodies up the pitch was completely different.

shotamoose

Rosco1982 wrote: »

Really ?

You'll have to explain.

Well apparently someone needs to.

flahavaj

rossie1977 wrote: »

last year rafa went to places like goodison to win and he won comfortably and the year before that too

woy doesn't know how to win away from home, he sets out his teams to try and not get beat

He has brought a small club mentality to Liverpool tbh.

Sitting back is grand when you're at a club where anything above 17th is a bonus. Not so good at a club that should be aiming for the CL.

Col200sx

Voltwad, I'll see your



And raise you:

ntlbell

flahavaj wrote: »

What is it with Liverpool this season and poor first halves? It seems every game they go in losing only to up their game somewhat second half.

woy washes them out of it with dwyer?

Mr Alan

Tactics were not identical last last season, we're playing about 20 yards deeper for starters, Torres was never as isolated, team had more shape, got more offensively from our fullbacks and our centre halves looked like they had a clue.

The Volt

Col200sx wrote: »

Voltwad, I'll see your



And raise you:

Dogs of war

Dont be at yourself

Rosco1982 wrote: »

So what changes would everyone make ?

We don't need to make any subs. We need to press Everton in their own half, like they're doing to us. We need to get our full backs forward when we have the ball, and close the gap between our midfield and forwards.

Duiske

wcarey1975 wrote: »

I was all for giving RH time but he hasnt given me a reason to stay. I know its not LFC but he needs to go and sooner the better before we get into real danger

The thing is, we are in real danger. Shocking effort again today. After all that went on during the week I felt good about this game today, but its just back to reality again now.

8-10

Rosco1982 wrote: »

So what changes would everyone make ?

Maxi out, Lucas out, Konchesky out

Aurelio, Babel, N'Gog in.

Sooner than later please.

8-10

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

We don't need to make any subs. We need to press Everton in their own half, like they're doing to us. We need to get our full backs forward when we have the ball, and close the gap between our midfield and forwards.

Forwards???

Ardent

daithijjj wrote: »

Maxi is fkin brutal. Might aswel be down to 10 men with him on the pitch.

Down to 9 with Lucas on there as well.

mike65

Kelly for Carra as well, just to piss Jamie off completely!

everdead.ie

I'm really surprised Cole has been so bad we dodged a bullet with him considering the wages he's on

LuckyLloyd

Last year, we:

- beat Everton with 10 men at home;
- beat Utd at home;
- beat Benfica decisively at home;
- beat Aston Villa away;
- beat Spurs at home;

Good performances AND results dotted throughout the course of the season. We finished 7th, which wasn't acceptable of course.

Under Hodgson I have seen nothing to suggest we would be acceptable of any of the above performances. And I do not believe that we will get near finishing 7th if he remains in charge for a much greater portion of the season.

ilovelamp2000

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

We didn't set ourself out in this manner under Benitez. The formation was the same, but the actual approach in terms of pressing and getting bodies up the pitch was completely different.

We never got bodies up the pitch under Benitez. We constantly played long balls to the wings. We pressed a little more up the pitch but that's the only real difference.

I suppose what I'm getting at is if people think the big problem is tactics I simply can't agree. The big problem for me is far too many **** and or underperforming players being in the team. Lucas and Maxi are rubbish, Konchesky is probably rubbish too, Kyrgiakos is distinctly average, Skrtel is a little better. Carragher is not as good as he used to be. Torres is way off form and fitness, Meireles seems okay but probably isn't being used correctly, Cole has failed to really impress in the league. Only Gerrard and Reina can hold their heads up this season, the rest have been a joke.

It's a collective malaise.

ntlbell

Rosco1982 wrote: »

We never got bodies up the pitch under Benitez. We constantly played long balls to the wings. We pressed a little more up the pitch but that's the only real difference.

I suppose what I'm getting at is if people think the big problem is tactics I simply can't agree. The big problem for me is far too many **** and or underperforming players being in the team. Lucas and Maxi are rubbish, Konchesky is probably rubbish too, Kyrgiakos is distinctly average, Skrtel is a little better. Carragher is not as good as he used to be. Torres is way off form and fitness, Meireles seems okay but probably isn't being used correctly, Cole has failed to really impress in the league. Only Gerrard and Reina can hold their heads up this season, the rest have been a joke.

It's a collective malaise.

post of the thread

flahavaj

Rosco1982 wrote: »

We never got bodies up the pitch under Benitez. We constantly played long balls to the wings. We pressed a little more up the pitch but that's the only real difference.

I suppose what I'm getting at is if people think the big problem is tactics I simply can't agree. The big problem for me is far too many **** and or underperforming players being in the team. Lucas and Maxi are rubbish, Konchesky is probably rubbish too, Kyrgiakos is distinctly average, Skrtel is a little better. Carragher is not as good as he used to be. Torres is way off form and fitness, Meireles seems okay but probably isn't being used correctly, Cole has failed to really impress in the league. Only Gerrard and Reina can hold their heads up this season, the rest have been a joke.

It's a collective malaise.

Pressing higher up the pitch makes a massive difference. At the moment the best ye can hope for in a game is a draw they way ye are set up. Rafa wasn't gung ho by any means but at least his teams offered more attacking threat than the limp passive style Hodgson has brought tbh.

5ForKeeps

Rosco1982 wrote: »

So what changes would everyone make ?

Get rid of Hodgson before it gets worse than 3rd bottom.

That_Guy

Half chance for Maxi. Positive start for Liverpool.

Dr Galen

We could bring on Pato, Drogba and anyone else you care to mention but if we continue to have this shape and sit so far back it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference. It's easy to see that we are playing far far far too deep in our own half and not pressing the ball when we don't have it. As bad as some of the players have been the system is ultimately at fault. We have some fine individuals but if you don't play to your strengths your always going to be in difficulty tbh.

~Rebel~

Cue much improved second half from Pool..

LuckyLloyd

Rosco1982 wrote: »

We never got bodies up the pitch under Benitez. We constantly played long balls to the wings. We pressed a little more up the pitch but that's the only real difference.

I suppose what I'm getting at is if people think the big problem is tactics I simply can't agree. The big problem for me is far too many **** and or underperforming players being in the team. Lucas and Maxi are rubbish, Konchesky is probably rubbish too, Kyrgiakos is distinctly average, Skrtel is a little better. Carragher is not as good as he used to be. Torres is way off form and fitness, Meireles seems okay but probably isn't being used correctly, Cole has failed to really impress in the league. Only Gerrard and Reina can hold their heads up this season, the rest have been a joke.

It's a collective malaise.

We'll have to agree to disagree. Deliberately sitting this deep and choosing not to apply pressure high up the pitch is vital in terms of mentality and attitude. If you can't or won't see that fine.

fred funk }{

FFS Cole can't get past the first man everytime he crosses the ball. Shocking bad.

Mushy

Can anyone see Roy being the type to give the players a bollicking? I just cant.

3hn2givr7mx1sc

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooh.

ntlbell

"WHAT A HIT SON!!"

LULZ

mike65

Game over, Arteta

everdead.ie

Beautiful strike 2-0

Mushy

Arteta!

fred funk }{

This is fcuking joke.

That_Guy

Wow. Quality finish from Arteta.

5ForKeeps

Ardent wrote: »

Down to 9 with Lucas on there as well.

If our defence pressed up higher he could be able to pick out the likes of Maxi and Cole if the two lads couldn't actually get up into forward positions.

Like he did against Brazil, he was pure class in picking out passes.

ollie1

~Rebel~

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Cue much improved second half from Pool..

...or not...

mike65

The DVD will be out on Monday.

The Volt

Tony Yeboah like

**** YES

iMuse

Boom, No stopping that strike, game over imo

x in the city

ahem

as i was saying...

Aidric

Thats a really great strike. Fully deserved advantage for Everton.

Hail 2 Da Thief

Sh!t !!!!!