214th Merseyside Derby - 17/10. KO 1.30PM

missingtime

Between Gerrard's corners and Coles crossing its a miracle that torres actually gets a touch on the ball

Dont be at yourself

Coleman really reminds me of a young Kilbane - in a good way. Very direct, just get the head down and run down the line.

The Volt

Yakubu has been class, deserves a goal.

PiE

Rosco1982 wrote: »

Because then you'd have to look at the mess Rafa made.

but the cult won't do that. Rafa did nothing wrong. EVER. He was a tactical god (let's not mention that day where Crouch and Voronin played on the wings)

The fact is the football side of the club has been poorly run for years now and we're seeing the result of it.

You're the worst poster on this forum.

ntlbell

there's an example of why trapp wouldn't like coleman, a long run a lot of wasted energy and didn't lay the ball off at the right time.

Lose the ball in their half, your knackered and can't track back and over 90 minutes at international level will cause problems.

Sir Gallagher

Seems to be more united fans in here than Liverpool or Everton fans.

That_Guy

I'm not even a Liverpool fan but they're frustrating the fcuk out of me.

everdead.ie

Mr. Guappa wrote: »

Hardly a wonder strike tbh. It was well hit but pretty central and lots of 'keepers would have kept it out. Reina shouldn't be immune to criticism.

I think the main critisism for that goal must be for all the defenders for standing in one clutched area instead of driving out as they are meant to so he can see.

ntlbell

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

Coleman really reminds me of a young Kilbane - in a good way. Very direct, just get the head down and run down the line.

the young kilbane wouldn't get into traps side imo

Soby

Is that Coleman chap Irish?

K-9

So much for the change of manager and now, change of owners, sorting stuff out.

The team should be up for it. One thing about Rafa, the players got behind him in a crisis, he pulled out of it. Many times he was wrote off but he always turned it around, Lucas or not. (Barring last season obviously but we beat United, Everton and Villa last year when in crisis, in big matches)

Not a hope of that under Roy. The man should have been ecstatic after the takeover, instead he seemed to look like it was more pressure for him.

A-Trak

Coleman is making a distinct impression here, surely due a place in the next ROI qualifier based on todays performance so far

homerjay2005

kingshankly wrote: »

Torres is shocking

this is something you could write in practically every game this season and alot towards the end of last season also. hes a sorry site for a long long time.

A-Trak

Soby wrote: »

Is that Coleman chap Irish?

Yup

shotamoose

Rosco1982 wrote: »

Because then you'd have to look at the mess Rafa made.

but the cult won't do that. Rafa did nothing wrong. EVER. He was a tactical god (let's not mention that day where Crouch and Voronin played on the wings)

The fact is the football side of the club has been poorly run for years now and we're seeing the result of it.

Jesus Christ. This is not about Rafa's mistakes any more. We're in a much worse state now. Take the blinkers off.

markesmith

A-Trak wrote: »

Yup

:D:D

Aidric

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

Coleman really reminds me of a young Kilbane - in a good way. Very direct, just get the head down and run down the line.

Making any sort of comparison to Kilbane is in no way good.

Thanx 4 The Fish

Seeing that again there, Yakubu blocks the keepers sight of the ball and he did not see it until after it came past the man in an offside position.

ilovelamp2000

shotamoose wrote: »

Jesus Christ. This is not about Rafa's mistakes any more. We're in a much worse state now. Take the blinkers off.

You're agreeing with me essentially, we're dire at the moment.

It didn't happen overnight though

citytillidie

2nd goal was offside

That_Guy

Rafa's gone. Clutching at straws now with that stupid argument. Is there any chance admin's could put Rafa into the swear filter for a while?

shotamoose

shotamoose wrote: »

Jesus Christ. This is not about Rafa's mistakes any more. We're in a much worse state now. Take the blinkers off.

Exactly.

If we were relegated some would blame Benitez.

Thanx 4 The Fish

homerjay2005 wrote: »

this is something you could write in practically every game this season and alot towards the end of last season also. hes a sorry site for a long long time.

Agreed, he seems to have Rooneyitis, except Torres actually has been injured

Nalz

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

Seeing that again there, Yakubu blocks the keepers sight of the ball and he did not see it until after it came past the man in an offside position.

Defo offside imo

Sir Gallagher

Am i imagining thing or has Roy not made a sub yet? Brutal stuff.

That_Guy

citytillidie wrote: »

2nd goal was offside

How?

whatawaster

Glad we aren't changing it. Don't want to upset our shape

super_furry

Roy Hodgson was never good enough for Liverpool. He was a media appointment on the back of one decent season. He has to go.

ntlbell

K-9 wrote: »

So much for the change of manager and now, change of owners, sorting stuff out.

The team should be up for it. One thing about Rafa, the players got behind him in a crisis, he pulled out of it. Many times he was wrote off but he always turned it around, Lucas or not. (Barring last season obviously but we beat United, Everton and Villa last year when in crisis, in big matches)

Not a hope of that under Roy. The man should have been ecstatic after the takeover, instead he seemed to look like it was more pressure for him.

didn't burnley beat united last year?

taking the odd game in a vacum and trying to justify the existance of rafa is nonsenseical.

Joe Cole has been terrible

copacetic

wtf are we waiting on to make some changes? get Dave on ffs.

Thanx 4 The Fish

That_Guy wrote: »

How?

Man standing right in front of the keeper in an offside position and the keeper did not see the ball until it was past him. Hard to argue with it really, he was definitely offside and the keeper could nto see the ball because of him.

ntlbell

That_Guy wrote: »

How?

yakubu i think it was could be deemed as blocking the gk's view but there was about 15 players in the way!

Soby

Getting Benayoun with no legs for Cole even would have seemed a good deal looking at this

citytillidie

That_Guy wrote: »

How?

The Yak was offside and standing in front of the Keeper, therefore blocking the keepers view while being active

flahavaj

ntlbell wrote: »

didn't burnley beat united last year?

taking the odd game in a vacum and trying to justify the existance of rafa is nonsenseical.

They were never this sh*t under Rafa though. This is the worst I've seen them in many years.

LuckyLloyd

ntlbell wrote: »

didn't burnley beat united last year?

taking the odd game in a vacum and trying to justify the existance of rafa is nonsenseical.

THERE IS NO GAME IN A VACUUM AVAILABLE TO JUSTIFY HODGSON WITH.

Thanx 4 The Fish

ntlbell wrote: »

yakubu i think it was could be deemed as blocking the gk's view but there was about 15 players in the way!

Yes but only one of them was in an offside position and right in front of the keeper.

That_Guy

citytillidie wrote: »

The Yak was offside and standing in front of the Keeper, therefore blocking the keepers view while being active

I've only seen it in real time. Didn't see that other replay. I'll take your word for it.

mike65

super_furry wrote: »

Roy Hodgson was never good enough for Liverpool. He was a media appointment on the back of one decent season. He has to go.

Two and half seasons to be fair, and I don't think the media decided anything, he was availible, wanted the job, was not too expensive and speaks English as a first language.

Still should go though.

at last! Lucas off N'Gog on.

LuckyLloyd

70th minute to make a change. Ye Gods.

Mr Alan

Rosco1982 wrote: »

You're agreeing with me essentially, we're dire at the moment.

It didn't happen overnight though

You're right, it didn't happen overnight and Rafa certainly made mistakes. In saying that the situation got a lot lot lot worse when we decided to pay 10 million odd to give the champions of europe our manager.

bluefinger

this is hilarious. Everton are sitting back inviting us on, gifting us a way back in imo and we're offering nothing different. looks like we're hoping to sneak a goal or two

tok9

You know people are complaining about Lucas but he is working his arse out there unlike several players..

N'gog on for him now... He should have been on ages ago

Thanx 4 The Fish

Finally Lucas off.

Please Ngog,
Ngoooooo just score today.

Hank Scorpio

ngog on to save the day

ntlbell

flahavaj wrote: »

They were never this sh*t under Rafa though. This is the worst I've seen them in many years.

They were as **** in many games last season, if not worse

Mushy

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

Man standing right in front of the keeper in an offside position and the keeper did not see the ball until it was past him. Hard to argue with it really, he was definitely offside and the keeper could nto see the ball because of him.

While it can be said that this is the case, the ball did come through a large crowd of players. Saying Reina didn't see it late solely cos of Yakubu is looking for something that went against ye. Would've been flagged if wasn't as many players around.

Fromvert

It's all ok lads, Roy will put his nice cuddly arm around the players and use his fantastic man management to pull us out of this.

shotamoose

Rosco1982 wrote: »

You're agreeing with me essentially, we're dire at the moment.

It didn't happen overnight though

Look, it's really simple so I'll just spell it out for you. We are worse this year than we were last year, and that is largely down to the very different tactics we are employing, as others have patiently explained to you again and again.

There's only one person here I see making it all about Rafa, and that's you.