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jcd5971

DrPhilG wrote: »

And the resulting fracture...

Jesus some pic

Zero-Cool

JJayoo wrote: »

I wish Mir would work on take downs to allow him to use his submission skills from dominant positions.

Ya, i'm always screaming at the telly for him to takedown whoever and work on a sub but naw, always gotta prove he can strike with the best of them. One of my favourite takedowns of all time and then a slip into mount.

jcd5971

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Ya, i'm always screaming at the telly for him to takedown whoever and work on a sub but naw, always gotta prove he can strike with the best of them. One of my favourite takedowns of all time and then a slip into mount.

Props to the ring maker, I'm surprised the foundations of the building held up

dulux99

The thing about the fitch choke, is that even if mazzagati left it go for another second or two, fitch would more than likely have been alright after waking up. Imagine the torque and pressure Mir generates on his knee bars, another two seconds of that and lesnar's leg literally could have snapped in half

EuskalHerria

Jimi Manuwa v Rumble Johnston at UFC 191

Huge fight for Jimi, best of luck to him.

Tobyglen

John Kavanagh didn't handle that particularly well for a guy of his experience, he had a lot of open goals that he missed out on (cases of deaths in boxing/rugby as opposed to MMA, reference to MMA of not being a gentlemanly game by Tom McGurk??, not mentioning the boom in participation numbers in gyms now where kids practice karate/martial arts and learn discipline, not remembering cases of guys being stood down for concussion/head injuries). He allowed himself to get bullied by Eoghan Corry who was just spouting the same rubbish about it being a fad. Look at rugby, imagine if it was an immature sport with recent cases of gouging, kicks/grabbing/squeezing testicles, headbutting, stamping etc, that would too be looked at alarmingly.

Depp

whole picture segment was rediculous aswel, just showed a few of the worst examples, could find you plenty of pictures as bad or even worse of rugby players after or even during matches it was annoying

Wrongway1985

Depp wrote: »

whole picture segment was rediculous aswel, just showed a few of the worst examples, could find you plenty of pictures as bad or even worse of rugby players after or even during matches it was annoying

Pictures were prob lifted from sherdog too

Depp

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

Pictures were prob lifted from sherdog too

More than likely! was surprised they didnt jump on rory and robbie after 189 aswel!

Tobyglen

Depp wrote: »

whole picture segment was rediculous aswel, just showed a few of the worst examples, could find you plenty of pictures as bad or even worse of rugby players after or even during matches it was annoying

Sensationalising, the program got what it wanted, everyone talking about it.

Shame Kavanagh didn't expose it, I can only imagine what McGregor would have done under that line of questioning.

Paully D

Tobyglen wrote: »

John Kavanagh didn't handle that particularly well for a guy of his experience, he had a lot of open goals that he missed out on (cases of deaths in boxing/rugby as opposed to MMA, reference to MMA of not being a gentlemanly game by Tom McGurk??, not mentioning the boom in participation numbers in gyms now where kids practice karate/martial arts and learn discipline, not remembering cases of guys being stood down for concussion/head injuries). He allowed himself to get bullied by Eoghan Corry who was just spouting the same rubbish about it being a fad. Look at rugby, imagine if it was an immature sport with recent cases of gouging, kicks/grabbing/squeezing testicles, headbutting, stamping etc, that would too be looked at alarmingly.

In fairness to Kavanagh he didn't really have the chance to jump on anything. McGurk was spouting shite and moving on to spout more shite before Kavanagh could respond to anything.

He was also led to believe the debate was going to be between himself and Corry. McGurk clearly taking a side in the debate said it all about the intentions of the "debate" really.

Tobyglen

Paully D wrote: »

In fairness to Kavanagh he didn't really have the chance to jump on anything. McGurk was spouting shite and moving on to spout more shite before Kavanagh could respond to anything.

He was also led to believe the debate was going to be between himself and Corry. McGurk clearly taking a side in the debate said it all about the intentions of the "debate" really.

He's still should have stood stronger for me, easy wins missed out on. He's not a novice at this stage and schooling them should have been easy pickings for him. Corry's points were actually farcical, every sport that's successful has got marketed to the 9s- look at the Premiership ffs? Originated because of the demise of boxing??? 3 months after the biggest & most financially successful fight of all time.

dave1982

Seen Fedor wants Werdum rematch, no way do he deserve

Zero-Cool

And werdum wants to co main the aldo mcgregor fight. A heavy weight champ fighting before a fw champ is mad but i guess with his ppv points, conor will make him a ton of money.

dickwod1

Personally I dont know why people even bother to appear on or give interviews to shows like that one on TV3, The MMA world doesn't need to make these people understand/like MMA,
Joe Duffy Radio1 for example, twice he talked about the UFC/MMA and both times he didn't listen to one word from the people who knew MMA, When Andrew from SevereMMA was on he was repulsed by the word "severe" before the interview even began ffs
Complete waste of time talking to these old farts, their regular viewers/listener's have the same mentality as the presenter too

Paully D

dickwod1 wrote: »

Personally I dont know why people even bother to appear on or give interviews to shows like that one on TV3, The MMA world doesn't need to make these people understand/like MMA,
Joe Duffy Radio1 for example, twice he talked about the UFC/MMA and both times he didn't listen to one word from the people who knew MMA, When Andrew from SevereMMA was on he was repulsed by the word "severe" before the interview even began ffs
Complete waste of time talking to these old farts, their regular viewers/listener's have the same mentality as the presenter too

Here's the link to the Joe Duffy piece with McGahon for anyone who missed it/wants to re-listen:

http://severemma.com/2015/04/audio-andrew-mcgahon-on-rte-radios-liveline/

It's hilarious :pac:

"Here's Andrew McGahon from SEVEEEEEEEEERE MMA as it's called" - :pac:

Duffy - "in a sport where you're allowed to kick someone in the head. Knee someone in the head"

McGahon - "you're only allowed to do that from a standing position"

Duffy - "oh well, that's reassuring"

:pac:

dave1982

I actually came across an interview with yer man from severe mma being interviewed by an American journalist bout conor during the Boston event. Great interview like seeing those who interview being interviewed

TimRiggins

If anyone hasn't seen Dominic Cruz on the MMA Hour I'd check it out, He fairly tears into TJ and Ludwig.

clever user name

TimRiggins wrote: »

If anyone hasn't seen Dominic Cruz on the MMA Hour I'd check it out, He fairly tears into TJ and Ludwig.

Never seen Cruz like that, must have been trying the McGregor method. He should worry more about getting that dodgy knee fixed.

Anyone think he will get a title shot straight away? He probably deserves it in fairness, albeit I don't think it's in his best interest to jump straight into that.

TimRiggins

clever user name wrote: »

Never seen Cruz like that, must have been trying the McGregor method. He should worry more about getting that dodgy knee fixed.

Anyone think he will get a title shot straight away? He probably deserves it in fairness, albeit I don't think it's in his best interest to jump straight into that.

He has too, Faber won't fight TJ and Assuncao is injured. I think Dom beats him to be honest. Can't wait for it.

Would love to see Thomas Almedia against Faber.

Does everyone think they'll put another title fight on with McGregor/Aldo? Cowboy against RDA on with it and it'd do huge numbers.

Mellor

clever user name wrote: »

Never seen Cruz like that, must have been trying the McGregor method. He should worry more about getting that dodgy knee fixed.

Anyone think he will get a title shot straight away? He probably deserves it in fairness, albeit I don't think it's in his best interest to jump straight into that.

It's hard to deny him if he wants it.
20-1, 11 straights wins currently,

clever user name

TimRiggins wrote: »

He has too, Faber won't fight TJ and Assuncao is injured. I think Dom beats him to be honest. Can't wait for it.

I think he beats him too, but straight after being out for a year and with 1 fight in god knows how long?! I'm not so sure! I'm hoping he takes a different fight first.

TimRiggins wrote: »

Does everyone think they'll put another title fight on with McGregor/Aldo? Cowboy against RDA on with it and it'd do huge numbers.

Absolutely, they would be mad not too. Would love to see that fight.

Any word on Chris vs Rockhold yet? I know he was holding out for New York but that ain't happening.

Pulse8

Werdum says he'd be happy to co-main McG v Aldo

http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/7/30/9074821/fabricio-werdum-wants-to-co-headline-jose-aldo-vs-conor-mcgregor-ufc

clever user name

https://twitter.com/DiegoSanchezUFC/status/626912081258741760

145?? Must be considering he says 'new division'. Crazy!! Who's the big name? Frankie? Chad? Lamas?

MrStuffins

clever user name wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DiegoSanchezUFC/status/626912081258741760

145?? Must be considering he says 'new division'. Crazy!! Who's the big name? Frankie? Chad? Lamas?

Someone mentioned Frankie but Diego replied saying he's not "there yet".

redmicky

clever user name wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DiegoSanchezUFC/status/626912081258741760

145?? Must be considering he says 'new division'. Crazy!! Who's the big name? Frankie? Chad? Lamas?

Heavy weight, a return to the glory days of early UFC.
Sanchez v Fedor, it would break all PPV records.

John_D80

Can he really make 145? At his age thats a big ask.

martyos121

clever user name wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DiegoSanchezUFC/status/626912081258741760

145?? Must be considering he says 'new division'. Crazy!! Who's the big name? Frankie? Chad? Lamas?

Sanchez vs. Guida 2, I'm sure of it.

Mellor

John_D80 wrote: »

Can he really make 145? At his age thats a big ask.

He's a small WW, and a little soft. If he cleaned up his diet he's be there in no time.
If he needs it, there's the option of Dolce or somebody else to help him out.

MartyMcFly84

He's a small WW, and a little soft. If he cleaned up his diet he's be there in no time.
If he needs it, there's the option of Dolce or somebody else to help him out.

He looked pretty drained making 155 I am not sure if 145 is such a great idea for him. Less is not always more.

weemcd

Mark Hunt tweeted earlier he's fighting at 194 in Melbourne, any idea who against? He's been training with Soa in AKA Thailand so hopefully he'll be in a bit of shape and not cut ridiculous amounts of weight like he usually does.

xtal191

MartyMcFly84 wrote: »

He looked pretty drained making 155 I am not sure if 145 is such a great idea for him. Less is not always more.

Thats from his last fight, doesn't look that bad.

Ken Shamrock

xtal191 wrote: »

Thats from his last fight, doesn't look that bad.

He doesn't look too bad, but that's at 155, 145 Is a different story.

CurryFlavoured

That's going to end badly. He's Conor's height and more bulky/not as lean. He doesn't know how to exert his size either since he doesn't really wrestle at all anymore. He might win against Guida but if he fights anyone half decent he hasn't a hope.

clever user name

CurryFlavoured wrote: »

He doesn't know how to exert his size either since he doesn't really wrestle at all anymore..

That's something I've always found puzzling. His wrestling is decent, at least it was when he used it early on. Why doesn't he use it more? His striking defense is shocking. No head or foot movement whatsoever. Sure, he's got a hell of a chin, but any decent striker will easily out-point him. If you ask me, he's actually lost his last 5 fights.

In saying that, if he can make 145 without completely f**k himself I reckon he could do OK.

John_D80

Mellor wrote: »

He's a small WW, and a little soft. If he cleaned up his diet he's be there in no time.
If he needs it, there's the option of Dolce or somebody else to help him out.

I really think 155 is his limit. Didn't he miss weight a few times as well at 155? Maybe im wrong there.

Worst thing is though, Sanchez is the kinda guy that will kill himself to get to 145 if he has to. For better or worse. I'd genuinely worry about his health come fight night if he was fighting at 145.

MrStuffins

clever user name wrote: »

That's something I've always found puzzling. His wrestling is decent, at least it was when he used it early on. Why doesn't he use it more? His striking defense is shocking. No head or foot movement whatsoever. Sure, he's got a hell of a chin, but any decent striker will easily out-point him. If you ask me, he's actually lost his last 5 fights.

In saying that, if he can make 145 without completely f**k himself I reckon he could do OK.

I agree with this.

I really don't want to see Sanchez in the cage any more. He seems like a good dude and each time we see him he's more and more punch drunk. He can barely string a sentence together and the fact that his style of defense is to block punches with his mush isn't doing him any favours.

Mellor

weemcd wrote: »

Mark Hunt tweeted earlier he's fighting at 194 in Melbourne, any idea who against? He's been training with Soa in AKA Thailand so hopefully he'll be in a bit of shape and not cut ridiculous amounts of weight like he usually does.

He put up a photo earlier looking lighter than usual, said he is aiming to get down to 115kg ahead of the fight.

Mellor

John_D80 wrote: »

I really think 155 is his limit. Didn't he miss weight a few times as well at 155? Maybe im wrong there.

Worst thing is though, Sanchez is the kinda guy that will kill himself to get to 145 if he has to. For better or worse. I'd genuinely worry about his health come fight night if he was fighting at 145.

155 might of been his limit at based on his mass at that point. He he wants to get to 145 he'll just need to lose mass, it's fairly easy. Ideally most will be fat, but it doesn't all need to be. It's not unheakthy at all, just needs to be done ahead of time.

clever user name

MrStuffins wrote: »

I agree with this.

I really don't want to see Sanchez in the cage any more. He seems like a good dude and each time we see him he's more and more punch drunk. He can barely string a sentence together and the fact that his style of defense is to block punches with his mush isn't doing him any favours.

Exactly! The Melendez fight was epic, but he's had far too many of those type of fights...can't be good for the head. He's basically become a punching bag that endlessly punches back.

reganreggie

With tougher and more regular ped testing and the iv ban I'd imagine there will be lots of fighters changing weight classes

JJayoo

How could you possibly enforce the IV ban? I mean how would you test for it?

Depp

JJayoo wrote: »

How could you possibly enforce the IV ban? I mean how would you test for it?

From what everyones saying its something to do with plastics from the bag showing up in the blood, other than that all i can think of is checking for needle marks

John_D80

Mellor wrote: »

155 might of been his limit at based on his mass at that point. He he wants to get to 145 he'll just need to lose mass, it's fairly easy. Ideally most will be fat, but it doesn't all need to be. It's not unheakthy at all, just needs to be done ahead of time.

I'm not so sure tbh. In theory yes you're absolutely right but everyone has there limit i think, and I reckon 155 is his. No doubt he'll have a good go at it anyway (if it is 145 he's talking about that is).

Crazy to think him and Kenny Florian contested the TUF final as middleweights!

jcd5971

clever user name wrote: »

Exactly! The Melendez fight was epic, but he's had far too many of those type of fights...can't be good for the head. He's basically become a punching bag that endlessly punches back.

Good ol giblert

Hercule

Was on the same flight as Alastair Overeem today - was coming to Dublin from Heathrow, had a quick chat with him about his next fight and he was smiling and laughing about how JDS is avoiding him - not sure why he's in town, sound lad nonetheless

Mellor

Depp wrote: »

From what everyones saying its something to do with plastics from the bag showing up in the blood, other than that all i can think of is checking for needle marks

But it's not a total IV ban. They are allowed to use 50ml. So needle marks will show, and their will be some plastic traces too. Plus a glass IV could be used. There will also be some from other environmental factors.
They were unable to establish a threshold for plastics in cycling as its so variable.

I honestly don't think they'll actively be testing for it. I think it's simply to remove a plausible excuse for plastic traces after blooding doping.
They will enforce the rule and checking on fighters in the hours after the weighin is probably the best way to catch them.

Zero-Cool

I was never a fan of Jake Shields but im actually a bit worried about his safety tonight.

colmkelly2015

I was looking at the fight schedule of UFC 190 and am disappointed.

Rousey will destroy Bethe (Who mysteriously went up the BM ranks just before the fight [nothing new there Dana])

The Nog's will both lose IMO, and bouts like Bruno v Franca uninteresting.

In fact, the entire card is built on Ronda, and the rest of the fights just fillers.

Even from an objective POV, 189 was outstanding, with a crazy main card and a heap load of highlight reels. It is sad that the next showcase event is this.

John_D80

colmkelly2015 wrote: »

I was looking at the fight schedule of UFC 190 and am disappointed.

Rousey will destroy Bethe (Who mysteriously went up the BM ranks just before the fight [nothing new there Dana])

The Nog's will both lose IMO, and bouts like Bruno v Franca uninteresting.

In fact, the entire card is built on Ronda, and the rest of the fights just fillers.

Even from an objective POV, 189 was outstanding, with a crazy main card and a heap load of highlight reels. It is sad that the next showcase event is this.

You can't compare this to 189 on any level in fairness, nor can it be called a showcase event because it's not at all.

Cards like 189 come around maybe once every 3 years. Not to mention that it was the headline event of fight week. Aldo/McGregor might be big and UFC 200 should be big but other than these it's back to normal for the foreseeable.

So far as I can see, this card is deliberately tailored to the Brazilian market, which to be fair is probably the biggest, outside of the USA.