General UFC Chit Chat/News

CurryFlavoured

He won't do anything at middleweight, and that'll just allow him to stay chubby. He needs to lose some of that flab and stay at ww to be competitive, I expect him to be forced up though.

MartyMcFly84

That is a crazy weight cut.

I know we are talking completely different levels of the sport, but to put that in perspective. I compete at welterweight - 77kg and I walk around 82Kg.

Hendricks is dropping from just under 100kg to 77kg. Its just silly and no wonder he is having problems. I know some big professional WWs who would drop from low 90s or high 80s but from 100kg is just asking for problems.

Subcomandante Marcos

But you have to remember, he's been doing this for literally most of his life. He's been doing the hardcore wrestler style cuts since he was like 15 years old. It won him two national highschool championships, it wont him two national college championships, it got him 4 all american honours, 3 big 12 conference wins and won him the world title in the UFC.

The only difference now is that he's older.
It was going to catch up to him eventually, he just didn't think it would be this soon.

The only adjustment he really has to make is not to turn into a fat feck between fights and keep his weight in under 200lbs and he'll be fine once he starts cutting at a decent distance from his fights and does it with a good dietician and coach.

I reckon he'll take 6 months, get to a "healthy" sub 200lbs weight and then book a fight and cut from there.

I don't see him going to 185 because he won't want to and Dana can't make him, to be frank.

Dtp1979

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

I don't see him going to 185 because he won't want to and Dana can't make him, to be frank.

Or Lorenzo

Mellor

MartyMcFly84 wrote: »

That is a crazy weight cut.
I know we are talking completely different levels of the sport, but to put that in perspective. I complete at welterweight - 77kg and I walk around 82Kg.

Hendricks is dropping from just under 100kg to 77kg

Yeah but you are actually cutting from 82kg to 77kg.
I cut from a similar 74/75kg to 70kg.

Johnny isn't cutting from 205-210lbs (95kg) though. That's the weight he was at the start of fight camp. Dolce knows that, he's just putting some spin on it. I met Dolce earlier this year, and he told me Hendricks cuts from about 190lbs or just above, or at least that’s where he should be coming into fight week. He said Thiago Alves (I think) cuts more, from 196lbs, with less difficultly.
Apparently, according to his coach, Johnys nutrition in his camp didn’t go as planned and he was over coming into fight week. But they won’t say how much over he was.

By still feel that Johnny isn’t cutting too much, and probably not more than other big WW’s. It’s that he gets too fat and has to focus so much on losing fat during camp. Coming into fight week he is half drained started his cut. Ans as he spend the last 8-10 weeks trying to shead fat, he is carrying less muscle than WW’s a similar weight.

MartyMcFly84

Yeah but you are actually cutting from 82kg to 77kg.
I cut from a similar 74/75kg to 70kg.

Johnny isn't cutting from 205-210lbs (95kg) though. That's the weight he was at the start of fight camp. Dolce knows that, he's just putting some spin on it. I met Dolce earlier this year, and he told me Hendricks cuts from about 190lbs or just above, or at least that’s where he should be coming into fight week. He said Thiago Alves (I think) cuts more, from 196lbs, with less difficultly.
Apparently, according to his coach, Johnys nutrition in his camp didn’t go as planned and he was over coming into fight week. But they won’t say how much over he was.

By still feel that Johnny isn’t cutting too much, and probably not more than other big WW’s. It’s that he gets too fat and has to focus so much on losing fat during camp. Coming into fight week he is half drained started his cut. Ans as he spend the last 8-10 weeks trying to shead fat, he is carrying less muscle than WW’s a similar weight

I would diet quickly to about 79kg and cut only 2Kg. As I compete at amateur I don't see the point in massive draining cuts. Maybe if I go pro I might move to lightweight again.

If he is actually cutting from 196/89Kg to 170/77kg its still 12kg of dehydration for not a very big guy, its a lot of water. I just don't see how you can cut 10kg+ without running into issues or having a pretty negative effect on performance.

Mellor

MartyMcFly84 wrote: »

If he is actually cutting from 196/89Kg to 170/77kg its still 12kg of dehydration for not a very big guy, its a lot of water. I just don't see how you can cut 10kg+ without running into issues or having a pretty negative effect on performance.

Cutting from 190lbs would be 9kg. That's where Johnny is supposed to cut from, apparently. I'd guess he tried to do 196 or so was ran into issues.

Alves was 196lbs walking around, but had more muscle mass than Johnny at north of 215lbs.

Surely Conor is cutting around the 20lb mark.

Paully D

This is a good read from Chuck Mindenhall:

http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/10/9/9431531/in-the-hands-of-a-judge

The many lives of Douglas Crosby, who aside from being a Hollywood stuntman with a bombastic personality, is the man fans love to hate as an MMA official.

SureYWouldntYa

Mellor wrote: »

Cutting from 190lbs would be 9kg. That's where Johnny is supposed to cut from, apparently. I'd guess he tried to do 196 or so was ran into issues.

Alves was 196lbs walking around, but had more muscle mass than Johnny at north of 215lbs.

Surely Conor is cutting around the 20lb mark.

Didn't Chael say he was 27 pounds over with 8 days to go before Mendes fight?

Imagine the hysteria if Conor was pulled from a fight a day before because of weight issues

martyos121

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

Didn't Chael say he was 27 pounds over with 8 days to go before Mendes fight?

Imagine the hysteria if Conor was pulled from a fight a day before because of weight issues

He's still young, he's more likely to get away with it but I hate seeing him cut that much, he looks like death at weigh-ins. I think after the Aldo fight, he's got maybe one more cut like that left in him, then it's up to lightweight, for a new challenge at a much more sustainable and healthy weight.

CurryFlavoured

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

Didn't Chael say he was 27 pounds over with 8 days to go before Mendes fight?

Imagine the hysteria if Conor was pulled from a fight a day before because of weight issues

Chael talking crap again. I doubt Conor goes 27 lbs over in the off season, never mind 8 days before a fight. I'm pretty sure Conor denied it too.

MrStuffins

CurryFlavoured wrote: »

Chael talking crap again. I doubt Conor goes 27 lbs over in the off season, never mind 8 days before a fight. I'm pretty sure Conor denied it too.

I wouldn't be too sure. Ever see him standing next to GSP and Weidmann? Conor's a big lad for the weight class!

CatFromHue

CurryFlavoured wrote: »

Chael talking crap again. I doubt Conor goes 27 lbs over in the off season, never mind 8 days before a fight. I'm pretty sure Conor denied it too.

On the embedded for the aldo v mcgregor press tour mcgregor told the politician his walking around weight was 170 or around that.

CurryFlavoured

CatFromHue wrote: »

On the embedded for the aldo v mcgregor press tour mcgregor told the politician his walking around weight was 170 or around that.

He wasn't in camp then.

He might go to 175-180 out of camp if he's really, really pushing the boundaries but there's no way he was 27 lbs over 8 days out. Conor has said in a few pressers that he's around 170 out of camp.

CatFromHue

yeah, so in his off season he goes 25lbs or thereabouts over his fighting weight

Subcomandante Marcos

CatFromHue wrote: »

yeah, so in his off season he goes 25lbs or thereabouts over his fighting weight

Which is fine.

In Hencricks off season he's going from fighting at 170 to 218... That's 48lbs.

Now, he's not "walking around" at 218, that's just when he's being a fat feck. And he's not training at 218. He's sub 200 when he's training. But if he didn't blow up at all, and just kept an eye on his weight, he'd have a much easier time come cut.

Mellor

CurryFlavoured wrote: »

He wasn't in camp then.

I think they were refering to

CurryFlavoured wrote: »

Chael talking crap again. I doubt Conor goes 27 lbs over in the off season.

I'm 170-172. I'd say Conor is about the same between fights. Chael was just twisting the facts as per usual

JR6

Brendan Schaub has retired.. Is this news? Oh well here it is anyway...

http://mmajunkie.com/2015/10/ufcs-brendan-schaub-makes-decision-to-stop-fighting-i-wont-do-the-game-a-disservice

Paully D

JR6 wrote: »

Brendan Schaub has retired.. Is this news? Oh well here it is anyway...

http://mmajunkie.com/2015/10/ufcs-brendan-schaub-makes-decision-to-stop-fighting-i-wont-do-the-game-a-disservice

Hard to blame him really.

If his $10,000 v $100,000 argument in sponsorship under the Reebok deal is true then that's one reason, but he's also doing extremely well away from the octagon with his The Fighter and the Kid podcast along with selling merchandise etc. Not many fighters do so well for themselves outside the octagon that they can afford to take an indefinite sabbatical.

Fair play to him I say.

Subcomandante Marcos

I reckon he's trying to get himself cut by talking smack about rebok all the time, to be honest. Getting let go by the UFC means he can take his sponsors with him to Bellator.

John_D80

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

I reckon he's trying to get himself cut by talking smack about rebok all the time, to be honest. Getting let go by the UFC means he can take his sponsors with him to Bellator.

Yeah the one major hole in that though is that if he does go to the like of Bellator, his sponsors would lose a lot of interest in him and even if he managed to keep them at all, then he would be getting a lot less money from them. He is not a big enough name to be attracting big sponsorship money in a second tier organisation. He'd get decent enough money but nowhere near what he was on (pre-reeebok) in his prime in the UFC.

His stated reasons for stepping back from fighting are legit. Just doesnt pay him anymore.

Subcomandante Marcos

John_D80 wrote: »

Yeah the one major hole in that though is that if he does go to the like of Bellator, his sponsors would lose a lot of interest in him and even if he managed to keep them at all, then he would be getting a lot less money from them. He is not a big enough name to be attracting big sponsorship money in a second tier organisation. He'd get decent enough money but nowhere near what he was on (pre-reeebok) in his prime in the UFC.

His stated reasons for stepping back from fighting are legit. Just doesnt pay him anymore.

He'd make more fighting in Bellator than he does in the UFC, was my point. Or at least his potential earnings would be higher.

He's never going to be a world champion in the UFC, he knows that. He's never going to sell 800k ppv in the UFC, he knows that.
Because of that he relies on his sponserships to make money from fighting. The UFC took that away from him. Bellator wouldn't.

Axwell

Cant see him ever going back to fighting anyways to be honest. He took a few good beatings and that podcast with Joe Rogan has to have sunk in somewhat. Hes never gonna be a contender and his style of fighting means hes gonna take a few more big blows to the head where one more could be the one too many. Hes managed to carve a career path for himself outside of the UFC and at this stage it makes sense for him to just stick to that if hes going to step back from fighting in the UFC. While he says its about the sponsorship, and I am sure its a massive part in his decision as it just doesnt make getting punched in the head worth it anymore I think hes come around to the idea of knowing when to hang up the gloves too.

John_D80

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

He'd make more fighting in Bellator than he does in the UFC, was my point. Or at least his potential earnings would be higher.

He's never going to be a world champion in the UFC, he knows that. He's never going to sell 800k ppv in the UFC, he knows that.
Because of that he relies on his sponserships to make money from fighting. The UFC took that away from him. Bellator wouldn't.

I know what you were getting at but there is no way he would get anywhere near the same kind of sponsorship money he was on in the UFC. His old sponsors would have little or no interest in him anymore if he went to Bellator.

Going to Bellator would mean spending time away from his other business interests training for fights that pay him feck all compared to the money he is making at the moment. He has walked away but left the door open for himself. Best move for him.

MrStuffins

If he got cut, went to Bellator and signed up to fight Kimbo Slice, he'd make a hell of a lot of money from sponsors let me tell you!

John_D80

Really? How so? He's not a big enough name regardless of where he came from to bring in big sponsorship with the likes of Bellator.

He was getting 100k sponsorship per fight in the UFC, according to himself. What could he seriously realistically expect with Bellator, even for a big fight against someone like Kimbo?

Even if he did get a decent 100k payday from a one off fight with the likes of kimbo, could he make that kind of money consistently enough to justify taking the time away from his other interests? Highly doubtful.

MrStuffins

Not consistently, no. But for a one off, sure! Is it worth his while? Definitely not.

The podcast is really great. I'm a big fan. And he seems to have a big future doing things that don't include him getting brain damage. He should stay away.

JJayoo

Schaud mentioned on one of Rogan's Podcasts that he had lazer eye surgery and lied about it to the UFC, so there was never a hope of him having another fight

ASOT

JJayoo wrote: »

Schaud mentioned on one of Rogan's Podcasts that he had lazer eye surgery and lied about it to the UFC, so there was never a hope of him having another fight

Yeah he was done after that, wouldn't have got licensed to fight. Surprised they didn't give him a ban for lying on a medical form especially with something like that.

Paully D

Travis Browne confirms on The MMA Hour that he's dating Ronda. Ugh.

Also, someone got into Faber's house the other night, locked herself in his bathroom, passed out, and vomited and shat everywhere. :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MM0Zn5q0wQ

ASOT

Northcutt heading to Tristar.

Subcomandante Marcos

ASOT wrote: »

Northcutt heading to Tristar.

With the skillset he already has, training at somewhere like TriStar could genuinely make that lad into a monster at light weight.

Dana's wet dream is Northcutt vs McGregor for the LW title in the next 24 months some time.

ASOT

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

With the skillset he already has, training at somewhere like TriStar could genuinely make that lad into a monster at light weight.

Dana's wet dream is Northcutt vs McGregor for the LW title in the next 24 months some time.

Totally agree, Zahabi is one if not the best coaches in the game, will turn him into a monster.

Subcomandante Marcos

ASOT wrote: »

Totally agree, Zahabi is one if not the best coaches in the game, will turn him into a monster.

Northcutt is that good looking clean cut jesus loving southern golden boy the UFC have been praying for for the last decade. They will basically turn him into the male PVZ and spend the next few years building the **** out of his brand to turn him into a household name.

He's got amazing marketing potential in the US, american corporations LOVE people like him. It's all about winning hearts and minds!

martyos121

He's the next Tebow for sure, but he also has the talent to back it up. Fair play to him, he will be an excellent role model for kids getting into combat sports, don't have a bad word to say about the lad.

Paully D

MMA Hour was very good today. Joe Duffy, Dillashaw, Northcutt, Travis Browne, Duane Ludwig (who is clearly a mental case, 10 seconds into his interview and he's kicking off with Helwani and he continues it for most of the interview :pac:), Hendricks, Cody Gardbrandt and others. Worth checking out.

http://www.mmafighting.com/mma-hour-full-episode

Mellor

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

With the skillset he already has...

martyos121 wrote: »

... but he also has the talent to back it up...

I hate to sound like the early McGregor doubters. But is this talk of Northcutts skillset a little premature. He is in great physical shape, striking is on point, but his background was in karate. How much grappling has he done? (for all i know he's a blackbelt in bjj and was a standout highschool wrestler).
He made his debut less than a year ago, he could have been training in MMA/BJJ/wrestling for a few years at this point, or maybe he was tearing up the local Texas scene on the back of his striking alone.



Edit: a quick google suggests his school is a Gracie Barra affiliate. And from the looks of things he's a competitive purple belt. So that answers that question...Back on the hype train guys

Subcomandante Marcos

Mellor wrote: »

I hate to sound like the early McGregor doubters. But is this talk of Northcutts skillset a little premature. He is in great physical shape, striking is on point, but his background was in karate. How much grappling has he done? (for all i know he's a blackbelt in bjj and was a standout highschool wrestler).
He made his debut less than a year ago, he could have been training in MMA/BJJ/wrestling for a few years at this point, or maybe he was tearing up the local Texas scene on the back of his striking alone.

He's a nineteen year old purple belt in bjj. Hus grappling is pretty good.

Axwell

Mellor wrote: »

How much grappling has he done? (for all i know he's a blackbelt in bjj and was a standout highschool wrestler).
He made his debut less than a year ago, he could have been training in MMA/BJJ/wrestling for a few years at this point, or maybe he was tearing up the local Texas scene on the back of his striking alone.

Apparently a purple belt in BJJ, some high school wrestling. High level karate obviously along with tae kwon do and kickboxing. So his skillset is pretty one dimensional at the minute but TriStar will definitely fill the gaps.

Edit:

Here he is in a grappling tournament at 17. Thats his sister Colbey with the camera in the background who looks exactly like him with longer hair. Shes fighting at 135 pounds in MMA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls-2CsShwNI

Subcomandante Marcos

The style of karate he's a third degree black belt in also incorporates judo. Not sure how much exactly.

Mellor

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

He's a nineteen year old purple belt in bjj. Hus grappling is pretty good.

Yeah I found that out. (see the edit above)
A quick google turned up a bronze medal from an IBJJF tourney in Texas. Purple belt divisions. 11 entrants so he had to win 1 or 2 matches to get there too.

weemcd

Hardly big news but it's been confirmed Travis Browne is going out with Ronda. Must suck to be Schaub right now.

Also Ronda gonna get mega heat about the allegations against Browne beating up his ex wife.

califano

weemcd wrote: »

Hardly big news but it's been confirmed Travis Browne is going out with Ronda. Must suck to be Schaub right now.

Also Ronda gonna get mega heat about the allegations against Browne beating up his ex wife.

Whats the Schaub angle?

Dtp1979

weemcd wrote: »

Hardly big news but it's been confirmed Travis Browne is going out with Ronda. Must suck to be Schaub right now.

Also Ronda gonna get mega heat about the allegations against Browne beating up his ex wife.

A step down if u ask me. Browned ex was a stunner. At least ronda can defend herself

Zero-Cool

califano wrote: »

Whats the Schaub angle?

Schaub was tapping that.

Sage is ridiculously nice, I hope the UFC keeps him away from bold boys like Bones Jones who might influence him. Good episode of MMA Hour below. Sage kept thanking Ariel everytime he was asked a question Also, Ariel said someone in Ireland got his phone number and pranked called him pretending to be Conor, fess up, who was it? :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9fZxcysNrA

threeball

califano wrote: »

Whats the Schaub angle?

Schaub is her ex but in my opinion he's well rid.

MartyMcFly84

Schaub is her ex but in my opinion he's well rid.

She certainly likes the heavyweights.

I remember seeing her doing some media with Overeem when he was still on the horse meat and she was almost sliding off her seat.

threeball

MartyMcFly84 wrote: »

She certainly likes the heavyweights.

I remember seeing her doing some media with Overeem when he was still on the horse meat and she was almost sliding off her seat.

Makes her feel petite when in reality she's one pregnancy away from being Princess Fionas doppelganger.

weemcd

califano wrote: »

Whats the Schaub angle?

They used to go out. I remember before the Browne fight, Schaub mentioned that because Browne was now training out of the same camp as Rousey, this was a very good thing for him. I took it that he was hinting that he would have got some inside information from Rousey that would help him when it came to the match. Of course that didn't happen, Browne spanked Schaub and now Browne and Rousey are going out.

Imagine what a beast would be born with Browne and Rousey as parents.

John_D80

Paully D wrote: »

MMA Hour was very good today. Joe Duffy, Dillashaw, Northcutt, Travis Browne, Duane Ludwig (who is clearly a mental case, 10 seconds into his interview and he's kicking off with Helwani and he continues it for most of the interview :pac:), Hendricks, Cody Gardbrandt and others. Worth checking out.

http://www.mmafighting.com/mma-hour-full-episode

Excellent episode. Best in a long time.

Sage Northcutt is so many cheesy American stereotypes rolled into one, but its impossible to not like him. Very sound guy I reckon