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martyos121

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Because thousands of people have to live in the area, their lives are already interrupted several times per year with GAA matches and concerts, which have agreed conditions and end times. Having a UFC night ending in the middle of the night to suit the US PPV market would be taking the piss completely.

Similar to the many nightclubs and late bars in Dublin whose noisy patrons already disrupt the local residents at silly hours?

You'd need a long ladder to get down off that high horse.

Axwell

Agreed, but if there is one to happen and McGregor is right you can be sure UFC will bend on the US PPV and have the event earlier. Theres simply no way it happens in Ireland otherwise.

Subcomandante Marcos

martyos121 wrote: »

Similar to the many nightclubs and late bars in Dublin whose noisy patrons already disrupt the local residents at silly hours?

You'd need a long ladder to get down off that high horse.

There's a difference between a few hundred people emptying out of a nightclub at 3am and 82,300 people emptying out of Croke Park at 4-5am to suit the US TV market.

Be realistic FFS.

Axwell

martyos121 wrote: »

Similar to the many nightclubs and late bars in Dublin whose noisy patrons already disrupt the local residents at silly hours?

You'd need a long ladder to get down off that high horse.

How many nightclubs do you know in Dublin in residential areas?

Subcomandante Marcos

I'd love to see a big UFC night in Croke Park with a big Irish card, but it's never going to happen.

martyos121

By no means do I think the event will happen, I want it to happen, but it really won't.

As far as me being realistic, I don't think it's so unfair to inconvenience the residents for one late night. Yes I'm aware damage may be caused, and that's not at all what I want to happen, but I just don't see why the curfew has to be adhered to so strictly for what's going to be a lot of money coming into the city.

And there of plenty of late bars (ok maybe not nightclubs, I'll admit defeat in that one) in and around estates, on the edge of the city. The city is full of drunks every night, it won't be anything new. Plus, if it were to take place, it would be over by 1 or 2 AM as a compromise, no way would it go until 4.

Subcomandante Marcos

martyos121 wrote: »

By no means do I think the event will happen, I want it to happen, but it really won't.

As far as me being realistic, I don't think it's so unfair to inconvenience the residents for one late night. Yes I'm aware damage may be caused, and that's not at all what I want to happen, but I just don't see why the curfew has to be adhered to so strictly for what's going to be a lot of money coming into the city.

And there of plenty of late bars (ok maybe not nightclubs, I'll admit defeat in that one) in and around estates, on the edge of the city. The city is full of drunks every night, it won't be anything new. Plus, if it were to take place, it would be over by 1 or 2 AM as a compromise, no way would it go until 4.

Your "logic" is ridiculous.

Sorry, but there's no other way to describe it.

martyos121

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Your "logic" is ridiculous.

Sorry, but there's no other way to describe it.

Well if you'd explain why it's ridiculous, we could have a worthwhile conversation about this. I'm not explicitly saying my ideas are correct, or my "logic", I'm interested in why you're looking for reasons for it not to happen, rather than look at the benefits of it.

Axwell

martyos121 wrote: »

but I just don't see why the curfew has to be adhered to so strictly for what's going to be a lot of money coming into the city.

The law and precedence are the simple reasons. Once they let an event go past the curfew then there is a precedence and the residents will be up in arms that other events will be allowed so there is simply a blanket ban on it. They need to keep the residents on side or they have another Gareth Brooks fiasco on their hands when it comes to having concerts during the year. We can all agree that there isnt a chance of a late night event happening and common sense says there wont be any bending on the rules, if an event is to happen it will have to end in line with the curfew the same as anything else. Im sure the UFC are looking at the fact if McGregor is champion and defending his belt they will still do decent PPV numbers in the US with the draw he has and that they would be willing to have the event at hours that suit and take the hit.

martyos121

Axwell wrote: »

The law and precedence are the simple reasons. Once they let an event go past the curfew then there is a precedence and the residents will be up in arms that other events will be allowed so there is simply a blanket ban on it. They need to keep the residents on side or they have another Gareth Brooks fiasco on their hands when it comes to having concerts during the year. We can all agree that there isnt a chance of a late night event happening and common sense says there wont be any bending on the rules, if an event is to happen it will have to end in line with the curfew the same as anything else. Im sure the UFC are looking at the fact if McGregor is champion and defending his belt they will still do decent PPV numbers in the US with the draw he has and that they would be willing to have the event at hours that suit and take the hit.

Thanks for the info. Wasn't trying to be confrontational with anyone, just genuinely interested in why nothing could seemingly be done about the situation. It seems there isn't one suitable venue in Ireland for the event in that case, because regardless of the time of day/night, people will be coming out of it hammered, and I can't think of a suitable stadium not in a residential area in the country. What annoys me is that some people assume the drunkeness won't be there if the event finishes at 11pm. Of course it will, and it won't be significantly better than it would be at 2 or 3 AM, because they'll just start earlier. Of course there are other reasons than drunk and disorderly behaviour too.

As far as changing the hours to suit the US, the only way it could be done is to air it as a UFC on FOX card, and miraculously convince the networks executives that they'll pull in huge numbers, because the event isn't going to sell enough over there on PPV. They have a huge casual west coast fan base who won't be getting up in the AM to watch fights, and the more serious fans would be insulted by a tape delay PPV, especially one so big.

Axwell

martyos121 wrote: »

It seems there isn't one suitable venue in Ireland for the event in that case, because regardless of the time of day/night, people will be coming out of it hammered, and I can't think of a suitable stadium not in a residential area in the country. What annoys me is that some people assume the drunkeness won't be there if the event finishes at 11pm. Of course it will, and it won't be significantly better than it would be at 2 or 3 AM, because they'll just start earlier. Of course there are other reasons than drunk and disorderly behaviour too.

People coming out of it drunk isnt the concern in those venues, its the noise levels that late at night. Thats the reason it wont happen, people will be drinking and will be drunk regardless of whether its over at 11pm or 2am but thats not the reason these curfews are in place, its about noise levels in residential areas.

martyos121 wrote: »

As far as changing the hours to suit the US, the only way it could be done is to air it as a UFC on FOX card, and miraculously convince the networks executives that they'll pull in huge numbers, because the event isn't going to sell enough over there on PPV. They have a huge casual west coast fan base who won't be getting up in the AM to watch fights, and the more serious fans would be insulted by a tape delay PPV, especially one so big.

I guess you have to look at it this way, if McGregor wins then he will want a fight here in Dublin to defend his title. UFC will want to keep him happy and if that means taking a hit on PPV numbers I feel they will have to just suck it up. As you say then they might have to consider putting it on Fox as a compromise. But the only way an event happens is within normal curfew hours, there is no other option.

martyos121

Axwell wrote: »

I guess you have to look at it this way, if McGregor wins then he will want a fight here in Dublin to defend his title. UFC will want to keep him happy and if that means taking a hit on PPV numbers I feel they will have to just suck it up. As you say then they might have to consider putting it on Fox as a compromise. But the only way an event happens is within normal curfew hours, there is no other option.

I've always accepted that the event would have to take place under curfew, regardless of my objections to it, the residents will always get their way, even if people like myself think they're being a little harsh (I do have a better understanding though of their point of view, thanks to your post).

The issue is that I think this is the one reason it will never happen. Regardless of Conor's star power, they won't take such a huge financial hit for anyone on the roster, even Rousey IMO. A Croke Park event is extremely doable, which is frustrating, but I get the feeling it's PPV or not at all for this, because if Conor's fighting, it won't be a Fight Night and without him they won't come anywhere close to selling Croker out. The compromise is UFC on FOX, but that's a little more complex than they'd like it to be, due to ad revenue and target marketing for that time of day/morning in the US.

Now if they were to hold it in Slane......

:pac:

Mellor

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Because thousands of people have to live in the area, their lives are already interrupted several times per year with GAA matches and concerts, which have agreed conditions and end times. Having a UFC night ending in the middle of the night to suit the US PPV market would be taking the piss completely.

Nobody mentioned having it at 5am to suit US PPV market. Currently that's not an option. A ufc event is no more disruptive that an other event in Croker that have been going on since the 1880s.

What time will UFC 193 start Irish time?

martyos121

Deleted User wrote: »

What time will UFC 193 start Irish time?

Main card 3 AM, same as usual. They have it on in the morning/afternoon over in Australia to suit them since Pacific time is 19 hours behind Melbourne time.

Mellor

Deleted User wrote: »

What time will UFC 193 start Irish time?

No change at all. Fights start at 10.15 local time (sunday), which is also normal time in Australia for MMA.

10:15 a.m. – First bout begins on UFC FIGHT PASS™
12:00 p.m. – Prelims live on FOX Sports Australia
2:00 p.m. – Main card live on pay-per-view
6:00 p.m. (Approx.)– UFC® 193concludes

Paully D

Mellor wrote: »

No change at all. Fights start at 10.15 local time (sunday), which is also normal time in Australia for MMA.

Said it before the last time there was an early (local time) card, I think it was Japan, but that must be torture for the fighters used to EST or similar.

Fighting between 10:15am-12pm if you're on the Fight Pass prelims. Even the likes of Struve v Rosholt kicking off the main card at 2pm :eek: I wonder will it be much of an advantage for Whittaker against Hall for example with that fight kicking off at 2:30pm?

I notice it usually kills the atmosphere a bit too.

Mellor

It's always been that way for Australian events. So its not unusual for the 8 or so Aussie fighters who are more used to fighting on the Oz, NZ, Japan cards.
If anything, fighting in the afternoon would help performance rather than hinder it. As the fighters have a full day after weigh-ins to re-fuel and rehydrate. Then sleep, then a few hours to prepare. Rather than the reverse at a typical nigh event.

I honestly don't think it affects the atmosphere. Watching the UFC on a sunday afternoon in the pub is the norm here. The crowd in Japan was dull, just that's just the Japanese way. They were super quiet in old pride events too.

Jimmy Bottlehead

Cro Cop has had to pull out of not only Fight Night 79 but has announced his retirement as well

Zero-Cool

Jaysus Reebok just let him wear his chequered shorts FFS!

Professey Chin

Mirko nooooooooooooooo

Dtp1979

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

Cro Cop has had to pull out of not only Fight Night 79 but has announced his retirement as well

Sounds like a bad injury or something contractual

Depp

now thats upsetting news, was really looking forward to this fight

Paully D

I wonder how many people already have a strike due to the whereabouts rule or if anyone will end up coming unstuck because of a 3 strike violation?:

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/11/10/9704240/ufc-donald-cerrone-missed-usada-drug-test-violation-whereabouts-policy-mma-news

Donald Cerrone appears to have fallen victim to his own lifestyle.

The UFC lightweight title challenger revealed on the Pirate Life podcast that he failed his first drug test recently because he didn't report his whereabouts to the United States Anti-Doping Agency ahead of time.

According to Cerrone, sample collectors showed up at his doorstep shortly after he decided to take a spontaneous trip to Las Vegas, Nevada.

"In the new testing, you have to tell them [UFC/USADA] your whereabouts," Cerrone revealed. "F***, I don't know where I'm going to be. They show up to my house and are like ‘where are you this weekend?' It was on the weekend that I went to Vegas on a whim.

"They were like ‘where are you?' and I was like ‘I'm in Vegas'. And they were like ‘we're at your house'. And I was like ‘well that sucks.'"

"So I failed. I failed my drug test."

Cerrone received a 'whereabouts failure' for his decision not to report his projected location. Missed tests and filing failures are considered ‘whereabouts failures.' It should be noted that, according to the USADA website, "any combination of three whereabouts failures (filing failures and/or missed tests), declared by USADA, WADA or an IF, within a 12 month period = Anti-Doping Rule Violation".

However, given that this was Cerrone's first violation, it will not affect his title shot against Rafael dos Anjos at UFC on FOX 17.

CatFromHue

I don't know the ins and outs but I would have thought if he updated his itinerary as he was going to the airport he'd have been fine.

John_D80

Paully D wrote: »

I wonder how many people already have a strike due to the whereabouts rule or if anyone will end up coming unstuck because of a 3 strike violation?:

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/11/10/9704240/ufc-donald-cerrone-missed-usada-drug-test-violation-whereabouts-policy-mma-news

Article says its his first violation. Didnt he fail a test years ago as well?? For a masking agent/diuretic?

Pretty sure he did anyway. Apologies if I'm wrong.

ASOT

Article means first whereabouts violation. But I'm fairly sure your right re the previous failed test.

Mellor

CatFromHue wrote: »

I don't know the ins and outs but I would have thought if he updated his itinerary as he was going to the airport he'd have been fine.

Yeah I think that's all he needed to do.

John_D80 wrote: »

Article says its his first violation. Didnt he fail a test years ago as well?? For a masking agent/diuretic?

Pretty sure he did anyway. Apologies if I'm wrong.

Yeah, for a diuretic in the WEC

Paully D

CatFromHue wrote: »

I don't know the ins and outs but I would have thought if he updated his itinerary as he was going to the airport he'd have been fine.

Yep, very simple but Cowboy being Cowboy.....

Lukker-

If that was RDA there'd be a **** storm even though Cowboy is the one who's actually been caught trying to mask something.

Mellor

Lukker- wrote: »

If that was RDA there'd be a **** storm even though Cowboy is the one who's actually been caught trying to mask something.

That didn't happened, the trying to mask something part.
He was using a diuretic to help make weight.

And afaik when they rang Cowboy to a see where he was, he offer to meet somebody in Vegas to give a sample.

Lukker-

Mellor wrote: »

That didn't happened, the trying to mask something part.
He was using a diuretic to help make weight.

And afaik when they rang Cowboy to a see where he was, he offer to meet somebody in Vegas to give a sample.

Diuretic acts as a masking agent, so it's also plausible that he wanted to make sure he pissed clean for the post fight drug test.

Lukker-

I don't think he was cheating either but btw, just a bit stupid.

dave1982

Crazy that he has to report his whereabouts, like a criminal on a tag.He's a free man a professional athlete.If people want to test him for PEDs they should come to him where ever he is and have to sit at home waiting for them to call

Clive

dave1982 wrote: »

Crazy that he has to report his whereabouts, like a criminal on a tag.He's a free man a professional athlete.If people want to test him for PEDs they should come to him where ever he is and have to sit at home waiting for them to call

They do go to him, but they can't if they don't know where he is.

If USADA are anything like their Irish equivalent he could have phoned, texted, emailed or used an online system to update them.

Subcomandante Marcos

Clive wrote: »

They do go to him, but they can't if they don't know where he is.

If USADA are anything like their Irish equivalent he could have phoned, texted, emailed or used an online system to update them.

I know a few athletes who compete under USADA monitoring and they just need to leave a voice mail. If they're going to a city they only have to give the address they'll be staying at and the address they'll be training at and make sure their phone is on.

jimmii

dave1982 wrote: »

Crazy that he has to report his whereabouts, like a criminal on a tag.He's a free man a professional athlete.If people want to test him for PEDs they should come to him where ever he is and have to sit at home waiting for them to call

Same for most professional athletes these days it's even more ridiculous for track & field people. Once a sport commits to wada rules everyone has to commit to the process just the way it is. It's for the good of the game at the end of the day.

At least no ban has been dished out like has been seen in other sports. Good to see some sense.

Lukker-

It's a 3 strike system for WADA so that's strike one.

Paully D

It must have slipped Cro-Cop's mind to mention the fact that he failed a USADA drugs test prior to his retirement :rolleyes:

The first fighter to fail due to drugs under the new testing administration. Future table quiz question in years to come right there.

http://mmajunkie.com/2015/11/officials-recently-retired-cro-cop-first-ufc-fighter-to-fail-usada-drug-test?utm_source=fb-CROCOPFAILTEST&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=facebook

Mirko Filipovic might be officially retired from MMA, but it appears “Cro Cop” will soon be suspended from competing in the sport, as well.

UFC officials today announced the veteran heavyweight is the first athlete to be flagged for a potential violation of the company’s new anti-doping policy, which is administered by the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA). The substance found in Filipovic’s system was not revealed.

Filipovic (31-11-2 MMA, 5-6 UFC) announced his MMA retirement – making no mention of a failed drug test – earlier this week. UFC officials today said his planned UFC Fight Night 79 bout with Anthony Hamilton (14-4 MMA, 2-2 UFC) has been canceled. Rather than seek a replacement opponent on short notice, Hamilton instead will be be rebooked on a later card.

UFC Fight Night 79 takes place Nov. 28 at Olympic Gymnastics Arena in Seoul. The entire event streams on UFC Fight Pass. “Cro Cop” vs. Hamilton was slated as the night’s co-headliner. A replacement bout hasn’t been announced.

In an announcement posted on his official website on Tuesday, Filipovic said a shoulder injury forced him to pull out of the fight.

“I tried to save a shoulder injury and repair in all possible ways: daily therapy, injections of blood plasma and various cocktails of drugs but didn’t work out,” the 41-year-old Croatian wrote. “The only cure would be a break of two to three weeks, and that I could not afford in the midst of final preparations. By daily trainings the injury gets worse. Part of the muscle is snapped, the shoulder is filled with a lot of fluids, and the great danger is that tendon ruptures and then go to operation again.”

“Cro Cop,” a former star in the now-defunct Japanese fight promotion PRIDE, made a long-awaited UFC debut in 2007 but went 1-2 and made a quick departure. He then returned in 2009 and went 3-4 and announced his retirement, but it was short-lived, and he returned to kickboxing and then MMA. In April, he joined the UFC for a third stint and earned a “Fight of the Night” bonus for his TKO win over Gabriel Gonzaga. It then led to the booking against Hamilton.

However, injuries – a constant nuisance in the second half of his career – again became an issue in recent years.

After a decorated run in combat sports, his career now carries an unfortunate footnote. The UFC launched its anti-doping initiative back in July, and though more than a hundred fighters had undergone tests, none had failed a USADA-administered drug test prior to Filipovic.

I wish they'd reveal the substance though. Is it going to be similar to the NFL in which the league can't declare what the player actually failed for, hence players claiming they'd just been taking Adderall when most likely they were taking something far more performance enhancing?

Mellor

dave1982 wrote: »

Crazy that he has to report his whereabouts, like a criminal on a tag.He's a free man a professional athlete.If people want to test him for PEDs they should come to him where ever he is and have to sit at home waiting for them to call

I'm honestly not sure if you are serious?


If Vitor was training somewhere in Brazil, would you accept that its up to the testers to "try to find him."

dave1982

Mellor wrote: »

I'm honestly not sure if you are serious?


If Vitor was training somewhere in Brazil, would you accept that its up to the testers to "try to find him."

Not sure if we on bout same thing, I made no mention of Vitor? I'll use Vitor as a example. Although not the best example as he has previous for failing testing and being allowed TRT.

Would I expect Vitor in the middle of his camp to attend a random drug test in America ? No I would not. I'd expect testers to contact Vitor and say " we need you for a test, We will be at gym in Brazil within the next 24 hours. Doubt he could flush his system in that time

Same goes for Conor, if they want to test him they come to him.

Whole point of random testing is surprise element. I don't think fighters should have to give testers their whereabouts for every hour of every day

Mellor

dave1982 wrote: »

Not sure if we on bout same thing, I made no mention of Vitor?

I never said you mentioned Vitor. I brought up Vitor as an example, the basic rules have to be the same for all fighters.

Would I expect Vitor in the middle of his camp to attend a random drug test in America ?

Who said he would have to go anywhere to attend a drug test? The testers always come to the fighter.
That's what happened with Cowboy, they came to him, he wasn't there.
And Vitor is based with Blackzillians in Florida btw.

No I would not. I'd expect testers to contact Vitor and say " we need you for a test, We will be at gym in Brazil within the next 24 hours. Doubt he could flush his system in that time

Probably not flush it. But he'd be able to get out of town and say "sorry guys can't make it, I'm not in florida, I'm training with Carlson in Rio while I visit my family". Or be anywhere else that's not his gym - like a trip to Vegas (Cowboy)

Same goes for Conor, if they want to test him they come to him.

That's exactly what does happen. But how can they come to him if they don't know where he is?
They turn up in Dublin, ring Conor to arrange a test. "I'm actually in Iceland with Gunnar"

Whole point of random testing is surprise element. I don't think fighters should have to give testers their whereabouts for every hour of every day

They don't have to give there whereabouts for every hour of every day.
It's basically home address and gym address, updated every 3 months. If you go out of town, you let them know where you are staying.

Sounds like you are either misunderstanding what happened with Cowboy, or what fighters are being asked to do.

Lukker-

Cowboy was in a different state. It wasn't like he was visiting his granny a couple of hours away he had to board a plane and fly somewhere else. WADA even have an app that you can log your whereabouts with. He's in fight camp and this isn't a new procedure so you'd think an experienced fighter like him wouldn't have forgot.

Lukker-

Paully D wrote: »

It must have slipped Cro-Cop's mind to mention the fact that he failed a USADA drugs test prior to his retirement :rolleyes:

The first fighter to fail due to drugs under the new testing administration. Future table quiz question in years to come right there.

http://mmajunkie.com/2015/11/officials-recently-retired-cro-cop-first-ufc-fighter-to-fail-usada-drug-test?utm_source=fb-CROCOPFAILTEST&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=facebook



I wish they'd reveal the substance though. Is it going to be similar to the NFL in which the league can't declare what the player actually failed for, hence players claiming they'd just been taking Adderall when most likely they were taking something far more performance enhancing?

Cro Crop said this in a recent interview:

“I tried to save a shoulder injury and repair in all possible ways: daily therapy, injections of blood plasma and various cocktails of drugs but didn’t work out,”

I think I've asked this before but is blood spinning legal under WADA?

Mellor

Lukker- wrote: »

Cowboy was in a different state. It wasn't like he was visiting his granny a couple of hours away he had to board a plane and fly somewhere else. WADA even have an app that you can log your whereabouts with. He's in fight camp and this isn't a new procedure so you'd think an experienced fighter like him wouldn't have forgot.

Exactly. It's really basic info. If you aren't at home let them know. They have an app for it, or you can text it in.

Cowboy isn't even complaining, he messed up. It's not an issue unless he does it again.

Lukker- wrote: »

Cro Crop said this in a recent interview:

Just read that now. "in all possible ways" and "cocktails of drugs” is fairly evident of what happened.

I think I've asked this before but is blood spinning legal under WADA?

Currently legal, it's injecting blood without the red blood cells.

maximoose

Teaser trailer for EA UFC 2, anyone else looking forward to this?

First one was flawed but I actually quite liked it. Just hope they flesh out the roster.

Edit: Oops, hadn't seen the dedicated thread

Zero-Cool

maximoose wrote: »

Teaser trailer for EA UFC 2, anyone else looking forward to this?

First one was flawed but I actually quite liked it. Just hope they flesh out the roster.

Thread here for it as people didn't want game chat in the General UFC thread - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057458360

Big reveal happening tomorrow showing off the new features. Ultimate Team has been spotted so it looks like you make a Gym, create a group of fighters and build your rep. Mad to know more about that.

darced

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Petermc83

if it was RDS missing a drug test..how different would we all look at the situation?!!!!!

califano

Was watching OneFC from Singapore earlier when i came across an interesting scoring concept. Think it was a womens straw weight fight over 3rds but it wasnt to be scored rd by rd but rather by a cumulative performance total.
Was wondering could this be considered and possibly taken on more widely in mma?.