General UFC Chit Chat/News

Tigger

im pretty sure you could (can) iv rehydrate without using a drip
it would be a case of mixing the water and the salts/sugars in a glass container and then using a glass or stainless syringe with a leather seal
i'm an analytical chemist and i cant see how this would be tested for

Letsdoit

Not a ufc or mma question but anyone know how to watch the glory kickboxing tonight?

John_D80

I like Goldie. A lot actually. And I hope they never get rid of him unless he wants to go. In the early days, when he was gettng paid cash in hand on a show by show basis, he turned down some very big money contracts to go to the big networks and commentate on football. He also turned down several big money offers from the WWE as far as I know.

Some people may not like him but he has shown huge loyalty to the organisation at times when no one knew from week to week if they would be putting on another show, and is being justly rewarded now.

Guaranteed future hall-of-famer.

Gamebred

John_D80 wrote: »

I like Goldie. A lot actually. And I hope they never get rid of him unless he wants to go. In the early days, when he was gettng paid cash in hand on a show by show basis, he turned down some very big money contracts to go to the big networks and commentate on football. He also turned down several big money offers from the WWE as far as I know.

Some people may not like him but he has shown huge loyalty to the organisation at times when no one knew from week to week if they would be putting on another show, and is being justly rewarded now.

Guaranteed future hall-of-famer.

Hi Dana

Lukker-

Supposedly Cerrone doesn't have an IV tue and just planted false rumours to get a reaction from RDA.

Serious troll.

Lukker-

martyos121 wrote: »

Don't rate him hugely, but jesus SBG are going to have one hell of a team if it keeps growing at this rate. Conor, Gunni, Amirkhani, Parke, Holohan, there's more talent there than quite a few American camps, of course McGregor and Nelson make up most of that talent.

Is Amirkhani definitely in?

Parke will still be cornered by NextGen as far as I know, he's just gonna do a camp with SBG so he can absorb some different methods and spar different people. Kavanagh asked him to be one Conor's sparring partners for the Porier fight but he was in Mexico at the time so he couldn't. Who knows he could end up staying but it's only for the 1 fight for now.

Amirkhani isn't confirmed yet and won't likely be until after Kavanagh comes back to Ireland but I don't see why he wouldn't be for certain.

SBG are building a good stable for sure and it's class that they are attracting top talent globally. Some up and comers too who should be there or thereabouts in the UFC.

Beersmith

Tibau suspended by USADA, huge shock NOT!

ASOT

Beersmith wrote: »

Tibau suspended by USADA, huge shock NOT!

Said it ages ago he had to be juiced to the gills

Beersmith

ASOT wrote: »

Said it ages ago he had to be juiced to the gills

Well i think everyone knew it.

John_D80

Gamebred wrote: »

Hi Dana

Riiiiiight.

Dont really know what you're getting at here.

Mellor

Depp wrote: »

Usada have a fairly solid test for IV usage it picks up a particular plastic compound from the bags and tubes that are used for the IV fluid and also blood aswel. the test has been used and perfected in cycling and other sports for years.

They had a test, but I don't think it's usable, inc in cycling. The same plastic traces are left from food, water bottles, condoms, etc. They tried to use it to convict Contador but it was thrown out of evidence. (They got him on other grounds).
I can't see how it'll work in MMA as 50ml IV bags are legal, and obviously leave trace plastic too. Maybe there's a reference level. But I don't think it was on the blood results I seen.

Mellor

Beersmith wrote: »

Tibau suspended by USADA, huge shock NOT!

This another in a long line of obvious busts. If they do t catch somebody really unsuspected soon I'm going to start thinking the sport is cleaning up

ASOT

He said he didn't intentionally take epo.

Mellor

I wonder what he thought he was taking?


EPO kinda ruins the whole "obviously juiced to the gills" part though

DrPhilG

Wee warmup to next week's epic Vegas fight marathon, Chaos Fighting Championships 15 in Derry tonight.

dilapidating

Just checked the BT sports guide for the coming week.
VanZant v Rose doesn't seem to be on it, will this be updated or is it not going to be shown?

martyos121

dilapidating wrote: »

Just checked the BT sports guide for the coming week.
VanZant v Rose doesn't seem to be on it, will this be updated or is it not going to be shown?

Exclusive to Fight Pass. Should be on 3e on the Monday though.

dilapidating

martyos121 wrote:

Exclusive to Fight Pass. Should be on 3e on the Monday though.

I take it Mendes v Edgar is the same?

martyos121

dilapidating wrote: »

I take it Mendes v Edgar is the same?

Nope, TUF Finale is on BT Sport, just checked the guide. That's a pretty important card though, was always likely to make television.

Devastator

martyos121 wrote: »

Nope, TUF Finale is on BT Sport, just checked the guide. That's a pretty important card though, was always likely to make television.

Was always guaranteed to be shown on Btsport. It would be all kinds of stupid for them to show the whole TUF series then not bother for the finale

Wrongway1985

Devastator wrote: »

Was always guaranteed to be shown on Btsport. It would be all kinds of stupid for them to show the whole TUF series then not bother for the finale

The same applies to Setanta Ireland they are actually showing the Finale LIVE; Also listed directly after 6-6:30am is McGregor/Mendes if people want to watch that bout for the 17th time

KJ

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

The same applies to Setanta Ireland they are actually showing the Finale LIVE; Also listed directly after 6-6:30am is McGregor/Mendes if people want to watch that bout for the 17th time

They have the weigh in's live as well for UFC 194.

Zero-Cool

MMA Hour is stacked tomorrow. JK to talk Conor, Makwan to announce his move to SBG, Sean to big up Limerick and Chad to complain how he only had 2 weeks for 189. I really hope he doesn't mention Conor's name without Ariel bringing it up.

Tomorrow on #themmahour: @joannamma @chadmendes @John_Kavanagh @raylongomma @MakwanAmirkhani @SpaniardMMA & @guicruzzz vs. @SeanSheehanBA! Also Tyson Fury.

Paully D

Rogan's podcast with Mighty Mouse last week is a good listen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGp9bQzl1Wk

Paully D

Ronda's exclusive interview with ESPN below.

She confirms she's staying with Edmund and in what is a very bad look for her it's mentioned that she has been seeing Travis Browne since April, quite a bit of time before he and his wife split.

http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/espnwrousey/in-exclusive-interview-ronda-rousey-says-not-losing-holly-holm

Subcomandante Marcos

Paully D wrote: »

Ronda's exclusive interview with ESPN below.

She confirms she's staying with Edmund and in what is a very bad look for her it's mentioned that she has been seeing Travis Browne since April, quite a bit of time before he and his wife split.

http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/espnwrousey/in-exclusive-interview-ronda-rousey-says-not-losing-holly-holm

She ain't getting that belt back if she doesn't move camp.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Paully D wrote: »

Ronda's exclusive interview with ESPN below.

She confirms she's staying with Edmund and in what is a very bad look for her it's mentioned that she has been seeing Travis Browne since April, quite a bit of time before he and his wife split.

http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/espnwrousey/in-exclusive-interview-ronda-rousey-says-not-losing-holly-holm

'Believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear' ~ Bruce Lee.. I think the Edmond situation could change very quickly (I hope it does anyway).

As regards Travis Browne and his marriage, it must have been in a bad place if Rousey and Browne was doing the wild thing during it.. I really don't care about other peoples love/sex lives but it can't have been good for her camp if she was dating a man through a separation from his wife.

Depp

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

She ain't getting that belt back if she doesn't move camp.

dont think she will either way unless she moves to somewhere like jacksons (obviously not jacksons though) for at least a year or two, has a date been set for the rematch yet? Confident enough Holly will win in similar fashion she already has the blueprint to beat ronda and she'll only get better at it while ronda isnt learning any new tricks if she stays at glendale, wouldnt count her out 100% but this is basically a retirement payday for ronda in my opinion

Subcomandante Marcos

Depp wrote: »

dont think she will either way unless she moves to somewhere like jacksons (obviously not jacksons though) for at least a year or two, has a date been set for the rematch yet? Confident enough Holly will win in similar fashion she already has the blueprint to beat ronda and she'll only get better at it while ronda isnt learning any new tricks if she stays at glendale, wouldnt count her out 100% but this is basically a retirement payday for ronda in my opinion

No announcement but I'd epect it to be on the UFC 200 card along with McGregor vs the winner of the Mendes - Edgar fight for the title after aldo vacates it when he retires :pac:

Depp

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

No announcement but I'd epect it to be on the UFC 200 card along with McGregor vs the winner of the Mendes - Edgar fight for the title after vacates it when he retires :pac:

How would McGregor be fighting if he retires? was thinking itd be planned for that card alright, when is it again?

Subcomandante Marcos

Depp wrote: »

How would McGregor be fighting if he retires? was thinking itd be planned for that card alright, when is it again?

It's not Conor who's striking partner is talking about retiring.

Depp

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

It's not Conor who's striking partner is talking about retiring.

Then why are you mentioning vacating the belt? only way aldo will still have the belt by 200 is if he pulls out again

Subcomandante Marcos

Depp wrote: »

Then why are you mentioning vacating the belt? only way aldo will still have the belt by 200 is if he pulls out again

I said conor fighting someone else for the vacated after [Aldo] retires

Depp

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

I said conor fighting someone else for the vacated after [Aldo] retires

but why would conor vacate his belt if aldo retires?

Subcomandante Marcos

Depp wrote: »

but why would conor vacate his belt if aldo retires?

Look, it was a bad attempt the first time you tried it.

Depp

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Look, it was a bad attempt the first time you tried it.

McGregor wins it in the second...you heard it here first!

Subcomandante Marcos

Depp wrote: »

McGregor wins it in the second...you heard it here first!

Hope you're as confident with your betting as you claim you are. Easy money for you. :rolleyes:

Depp

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Hope you're as confident with your betting as you claim you are. Easy money for you. :rolleyes:

have it in an acca with rockhold gunni jacare and chad

Mellor

Depp wrote: »

McGregor wins it in the second...you heard it here first!

That's certainly not the first time I've heard it


Anyway, It'll be the 4th round,

MagicIRL

I've been thinking about this a lot recently. If you watch any MMA event, it's incredibly common to hear about the "new wave" of fighter coming through who's training MMA as opposed to a single discipline like Wrestling, or Boxing, and transitioning over to MMA.

Do you think it's better to be genuinely world class at one aspect of the game, or have a broad spread over all areas? I'm thinking of how dominant Rousey was with her Olympic Judo, Holm and her champion boxing/kickboxing, or how fighters like Jacare/Nelson/Maia have their jiujitsu on another level to always fall back on or is it better to have a broad even base in all things MMA instead of standing out in one area?

Just a thought. Would love to hear what everyone thinks.

jimmii

MagicIRL wrote: »

I've been thinking about this a lot recently. If you watch any MMA event, it's incredibly common to hear about the "new wave" of fighter coming through who's training MMA as opposed to a single discipline like Wrestling, or Boxing, and transitioning over to MMA.

Do you think it's better to be genuinely world class at one aspect of the game, or have a broad spread over all areas? I'm thinking of how dominant Rousey was with her Olympic Judo, Holm and her champion boxing/kickboxing, or how fighters like Jacare/Nelson/Maia have their jiujitsu on another level to always fall back on or is it better to have a broad even base in all things MMA instead of standing out in one area?

Just a thought. Would love to hear what everyone thinks.

While the specialists in BJJ, Muay Thai, Wrestling etc will still excel in that area the average in each area is steadily increasing as more people start out with MMA instead of starting out with another sport and migrating. If you only train in one aspect of MMA then you have no chance now as virtually everyone has decent enough BJJ/MT etc. Its the transition aspects that are almost solely unique to MMA that make it important to have MMA training incorporated as opposed to just doing BJJ/MT/Wrestling separately.

MagicIRL

jimmii wrote: »

While the specialists in BJJ, Muay Thai, Wrestling etc will still excel in that area the average in each area is steadily increasing as more people start out with MMA instead of starting out with another sport and migrating. If you only train in one aspect of MMA then you have no chance now as virtually everyone has decent BJJ/MT etc. Its the transition aspects that are almost solely unique to MMA that make it important to have MMA training incorporated as opposed to doing BJJ/MT/Wrestling separately.

Yes, but for example, Rousey's striking/boxing is on par if not better than her divisions (bar Holm who specialises in it) but her Judo is better than anyone will produce from an MMA gym. Even Holm couldn't stop the takedown and she had been drilled to stop it over and over.

So, I guess, at what point does a broad MMA training system become enough to neutralize a specialised opponent? Or is it better to come from a specialised background and then round up your game? Which would make you more dangerous?

jimmii

MagicIRL wrote: »

Yes, but for example, Rousey's striking/boxing is on par if not better than her divisions (bar Holm who specialises in it) but her Judo is better than anyone will produce from an MMA gym. Even Holm couldn't stop the takedown and she had been drilled to stop it over and over.

So, I guess, at what point does a broad MMA training system become enough to neutralize a specialised opponent? Or is it better to come from a specialised background and then round up your game? Which would make you more dangerous?

It depends on the level of the division/opposition. Rousey could get away with just excelling in one area as the others didn't have good enough skills to overcome that over time that changes as people learn different disciplines and how to incorporate them into an overall game plan.

Its like how you get footballers some might be exceptionally fast and make that effective like Walcott or you might have players who have exception ball control or goalscoring ability and they can all play at a very high level but the very best like Messi are exceptional at more than just one aspect of the game and that is what takes them to the next level.

weemcd

jimmii wrote: »

While the specialists in BJJ, Muay Thai, Wrestling etc will still excel in that area the average in each area is steadily increasing as more people start out with MMA instead of starting out with another sport and migrating. If you only train in one aspect of MMA then you have no chance now as virtually everyone has decent enough BJJ/MT etc. Its the transition aspects that are almost solely unique to MMA that make it important to have MMA training incorporated as opposed to just doing BJJ/MT/Wrestling separately.

This. The magic is in the transitions.

Subcomandante Marcos

MagicIRL wrote: »

I've been thinking about this a lot recently. If you watch any MMA event, it's incredibly common to hear about the "new wave" of fighter coming through who's training MMA as opposed to a single discipline like Wrestling, or Boxing, and transitioning over to MMA.

Do you think it's better to be genuinely world class at one aspect of the game, or have a broad spread over all areas? I'm thinking of how dominant Rousey was with her Olympic Judo, Holm and her champion boxing/kickboxing, or how fighters like Jacare/Nelson/Maia have their jiujitsu on another level to always fall back on or is it better to have a broad even base in all things MMA instead of standing out in one area?

Just a thought. Would love to hear what everyone thinks.

I agree with you almost completely.

The best coaches in the world are specialists in specific areas.

Wink is a kickboxer, Bang is a kickboxer, Zahabi is a BJJ coach, Kavanagh is a BJJ coach, Uriah Faber is a wrestler, etc, etc, etc.

Even in the places that claim they don't specialise in specific disciplines, they do and will have specific coaches for wrestling, bjj, kickboxing, boxing and whatever else.

Every single UFC champion at the moment and in the past has as specific base skillset or skillsets they work from and I don't see that changing.

Werdum's base is BJJ and muy thai, DC's is wrestling, Wideman is a wrestler, Lawler was an all state wrestler, dos Anjos BJJ and Muy thai, Aldo BJJ and Luta Livre, TJ is a wrestler, DJ is a wrestler, Even the intirm champ, Conor, is a boxer who has a broad BJJ background and Jon Jones is a wrestler.

All of them now train other areas as well, but the base allowed them something to begin with.

All of them have one area that they could use as a base and build off of, mostly grappling backgrounds, no surprise there though.

I don't agree with this recent jack of all trades approach to be honest. I think it's important to have one or two styles you can look to and say "I'm great at this" and then build the rest around those.

JoeyJJ

Tony Fergusion interview, he seems a little deluded, never takes classes, he might when he gets found out down the line.

mfceiling

I know very little about mma but is a good boxer likely to triumph more often? Rousey was kept at arms length and eventually ko'd. Gunnar (?) fought a guy who just stood off him and boxed his way to victory.
If you are kept at arms length and can't get someone to the ground are you more likely to end up losing?

cletus

mfceiling wrote: »

I know very little about mma but is a good boxer likely to triumph more often? Rousey was kept at arms length and eventually ko'd. Gunnar (?) fought a guy who just stood off him and boxed his way to victory.
If you are kept at arms length and can't get someone to the ground are you more likely to end up losing?

Not without takedown defence. See James Toney vs. Randy Couture. If you cant stuff a takedown successfully in the clinch, or if you cant sprawl, you wil be taken down.

Kicks also add an extra dimension for pure boxers that messes with their timing and distance.

Demetrious Johnson was on Joe Rogan's podcast recently talking about sparring/rolling etc with people from 'pure' disciplines, and he reckoned he could tell very early on whether they crosstrained in mma from their setups etc.

jimmii

mfceiling wrote: »

I know very little about mma but is a good boxer likely to triumph more often? Rousey was kept at arms length and eventually ko'd. Gunnar (?) fought a guy who just stood off him and boxed his way to victory.
If you are kept at arms length and can't get someone to the ground are you more likely to end up losing?

Having good stand up is obviously important as that is where the fight starts. Its rare for someone to do MMA and use a traditional boxing stance as the wider leg position makes it trickier to check kicks or stuff takedowns and the slightly lower head position means that you are more likely to be in the worse position at the clinch. Probably the common stance is a modified Muay Thai style which is more upright and a bit more square on than regular boxing.

Mellor

mfceiling wrote: »

I know very little about mma but is a good boxer likely to triumph more often? Rousey was kept at arms length and eventually ko'd. Gunnar (?) fought a guy who just stood off him and boxed his way to victory

Good boxing, and boxing alone won't get you very far. Especially if your opponent knows that's all you have.

Holly won via boxing, but it was her counter grappling that allowed her to survive long enough to get the KO.

Gunnar's only loss was a to Rick Story, he's a wrestler.