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Mellor · 06-12-2012 4:57am

SevereMMA wrote: »

Where are you getting these figures? Dana has stated a few times that they don't release the ppv numbers

They don't formally annou8nce them like the way they do the gate takings, and the bonuses.
But the numbers aren't a secret. They buys are process by outside companies, and external data analysts track the data too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay-per-view#UFC_.28Ultimate_Fighting_Championship.29
http://mmapayout.com/blue-book/pay-per-view/

Ush1 · 06-12-2012 10:01am

Read on twitter that Greg Jackson has confirmed the GSP camp is focused on Johnny Hendricks.

Andersons camp has come out and said they are moving on from the GSP fight as he has no interest in making it happen.

conor678 · 06-12-2012 10:10pm

Rousey vs carmouche to headline UFC 157 (http://mmajunkie.com/news/2012/12/ronda-rousey-meets-liz-carmouche-in-first-ufc-womens-title-fight-at-ufc-157) Not really sure about this. Nothing against women partaking in MMA but I don't feel the UFC is ready for this as it will just lead to a further dilution of cards and further boring cards with more fights people aren't interested in.

What's people's thoughts?

MrStuffins · 06-12-2012 10:12pm

Jesus! Having female fights in the UFC is one thing, but a Main event?

Dana might have just lost his marbles!

conor678 · 06-12-2012 10:14pm

I know. I wouldn't be buying it if I was in the states. They'd want to be putting a serious amount of other fights on it for me to be interested in it. As I say it's a further dilution of UFC cards and I don't think there's enough interest in women fighters yet to go ahead and start putting it on UFC cards

MrStuffins · 06-12-2012 10:19pm

conor678 wrote: »

I know. I wouldn't be buying it if I was in the states. They'd want to be putting a serious amount of other fights on it for me to be interested in it. As I say it's a further dilution of UFC cards and I don't think there's enough interest in women fighters yet to go ahead and start putting it on UFC cards

Absolutely not. Ronda Rousey is a star, granted! But what are they gonna do when Rousey is out of action?

Seriously, take Rousey & Cyborg out of the equation and there's not a lot going on. There's a MASSIVE difference when it comes to the top level in the female divisions, like we perhaps see in Invicta, and the very top level in men's competition we see in UFC!

Co-Main Event I don't mind. But putting this fight above even Hendo v Machida which will be the Co-Main is nuts!

p to the e · 06-12-2012 10:21pm

Be like Nutella wrote: »

Should this guy not get a shot in the UFC?
Mamed Khalidov, 31, 6' - MW

last 25 fights, 23 wins, 1 loss, 13 Subs, 10 TKO/KO finishes - only TKO'd once since 2004! Tough dude. Think he's ranked 13th at MW.
Wonder how he'd do at 185 in the UFC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQwysR-8XTE

I think I'd love to see Gegard Mousasi get a shot before anyone. He's fighting Mike Kyle in the final Strikeforce show in January so hopefully he gets transferred over.

conor678 · 06-12-2012 10:26pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

Absolutely not. Ronda Rousey is a star, granted! But what are they gonna do when Rousey is out of action?

Seriously, take Rousey & Cyborg out of the equation and there's not a lot going on. There's a MASSIVE difference when it comes to the top level in the female divisions, like we perhaps see in Invicta, and the very top level in men's competition we see in UFC!

Co-Main Event I don't mind. But putting this fight above even Hendo v Machida which will be the Co-Main is nuts!

Oh yeah I accept Rousey is a start but as you say it's going to be a very shallow division. I'm skeptical to say the least about this especially seeing how lack luster recent cards have been (granted there's this cracking one this weekend)

The Bored One · 06-12-2012 10:43pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

Co-Main Event I don't mind. But putting this fight above even Hendo v Machida which will be the Co-Main is nuts!

Rousey vs Carmouche is a Title Fight, Hendo vs Machida isn't. Regardless of whether people think the womens division is weaker than the others, a title fight is still something that has to be treated like a big deal, not a side show.

Mellor · 06-12-2012 11:06pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

Jesus! Having female fights in the UFC is one thing, but a Main event?

Dana might have just lost his marbles!

It's a main event purely by virtue of being a championship fight.
UFC 157 also hosts Henderson vrs Machida for no.1 contender.
I'm sure it'll be a strong card. Which ever fight is technically main event isn't a big deal.

MrStuffins · 06-12-2012 11:43pm

According to reports, GSP has asked for his next opponent to be Nick Diaz and it looks as though the fight will get the green light!

El Guapo! · 06-12-2012 11:45pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

According to reports, GSP has asked for his next opponent to be Nick Diaz and it looks as though the fight will get the green light!

If Diaz manages to show up this time.

MrStuffins · 06-12-2012 11:49pm

Dean09 wrote: »

If Diaz manages to show up this time.

Ah he will. He drives now apparently.

Here he is getting out of his car!

Xlami · 07-12-2012 1:24am

Heard the Diaz-GSP rumour. But also saw reports its a non title fight abs Hendricks and Matquart fight for an interm title which makes no sense so probably bull.

Also imagine for a second Rousey didn't exist. People think Tate - Carmouche headlines a PPV. Honestly can't see a woman's division lasting two years in the UFC.

Mellor · 07-12-2012 6:56am

Mr. Manager · 07-12-2012 9:43am

She could kick my ass any day :pac:

El Guapo! · 07-12-2012 10:10am

It's great that women's mma is finally in the UFC and hopefully it'll grow from here, but does anyone else think there should have been a tournament to determine the UFC champ rather than just handing the belt to Rousey?

OrgasmicBaz · 07-12-2012 10:30am

conor678 wrote: »

Rousey vs carmouche to headline UFC 157 (http://mmajunkie.com/news/2012/12/ronda-rousey-meets-liz-carmouche-in-first-ufc-womens-title-fight-at-ufc-157) Not really sure about this. Nothing against women partaking in MMA but I don't feel the UFC is ready for this as it will just lead to a further dilution of cards and further boring cards with more fights people aren't interested in.

What's people's thoughts?

I think they will have to hold a TUF competition to get more people interested and tuned into the women's division. Or get them to strip off for a calendar :pac:

califano · 07-12-2012 11:44am

Dean09 wrote: »

It's great that women's mma is finally in the UFC and hopefully it'll grow from here, but does anyone else think there should have been a tournament to determine the UFC champ rather than just handing the belt to Rousey?

Ah you have to fast track it i think, just get her in under a head of steam there currently is. With a pre tournament people would only be casting aspersions on the shallowness of the field and viewership of the tournament not to mind possible injuries if there was a tournament. Just get it started i say.

MrStuffins · 07-12-2012 12:21pm

Dean09 wrote: »

It's great that women's mma is finally in the UFC and hopefully it'll grow from here, but does anyone else think there should have been a tournament to determine the UFC champ rather than just handing the belt to Rousey?

It would be an absolute disaster for UFC if they held a tourney and Rousey didn't win the title.

Basically Dana is using the women's division as The Ronda Rousey Show. I honestly think he's a bigger Rousey fan than Women's MMA fan.

Mellor · 07-12-2012 12:21pm

Dean09 wrote: »

It's great that women's mma is finally in the UFC and hopefully it'll grow from here, but does anyone else think there should have been a tournament to determine the UFC champ rather than just handing the belt to Rousey?

Aldo and Cruz got automatic belts, so why not Ronda?

El Guapo! · 07-12-2012 12:26pm

Mellor wrote: »

Aldo and Cruz got automatic belts, so why not Ronda?

Yeah I know, and I think there should have been tourneys for those belts too.
If someone is a champ in another organisation, it shouldn't mean they're automatically UFC champ aswell, in my opinion. If they haven't even had one fight in the organisation then how can they be the champ?

07-12-2012 12:33pm

Mellor wrote: »

Aldo and Cruz got automatic belts, so why not Ronda?

Cruz fought Jorgensen for the UFC strap.

MrStuffins · 07-12-2012 12:47pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Cruz fought Jorgensen for the UFC strap.

Cruz fought Jorgensen in the WEC. It wasn't FOR the UFC strap, it was to be the last WEC camp and therefore the first UFC champ

El Guapo! · 07-12-2012 12:51pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

Cruz fought Jorgensen in the WEC. It wasn't FOR the UFC strap, it was to be the last WEC camp and therefore the first UFC champ

But when they fought, Cruz was handed the UFC belt, so technically they fought for it.

MrStuffins · 07-12-2012 12:53pm

Dean09 wrote: »

But when they fought, Cruz was handed the UFC belt, so technically they fought for it.

Technically, but it doesn't change the fact that he automatically became the UFC Champ by being the last WEC Champ.

After all, they didn't fight on a UFC card.

It's the same sentiment as Also & Rousey automatically being champ. Just a slightly different circumstance.

pauldoo · 07-12-2012 12:56pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

It would be an absolute disaster for UFC if they held a tourney and Rousey didn't win the title.

Basically Dana is using the women's division as The Ronda Rousey Show. I honestly think he's a bigger Rousey fan than Women's MMA fan.

this is the impression i get, constantly banging on about her, tweeting photos, big turn around after saying there wouldnt be women in the UFC. Kinda going off Dana, used to like him, but he talks a lot of ****e and lets his emotions get out of hand too frequently

El Guapo! · 07-12-2012 12:59pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

Technically, but it doesn't change the fact that he automatically became the UFC Champ by being the last WEC Champ.

After all, they didn't fight on a UFC card.

It's the same sentiment as Also & Rousey automatically being champ. Just a slightly different circumstance.

True.
I'd still like to see a tournament for the womens belt. I don't think anyone should be automatically handed a belt in an organisation they've never fought in.

07-12-2012 1:12pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

Technically, but it doesn't change the fact that he automatically became the UFC Champ by being the last WEC Champ.

After all, they didn't fight on a UFC card.

It's the same sentiment as Also & Rousey automatically being champ. Just a slightly different circumstance.

No use pointing out technicalities. Aldo and Rousey were handed it. Cruz was given his directly after a fight. Big difference.
http://mmajunkie.com/news/21775/wec-53-play-by-play-and-live-results

mmajunkie wrote:

Dominick Cruz def. Scott Jorgensen via unanimous decision (50-45, 50-45, 50-45) to retain his WEC bantamweight title and become the first-ever UFC bantamweight champion.

MrStuffins · 07-12-2012 1:15pm

Deleted User wrote: »

No use pointing out technicalities. Aldo and Rousey were handed it. Cruz was given his directly after a fight. Big difference.

Not really in fairness. the only difference is that he didn't have to wait for the belt.

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