do this in memory of me (IMMOM)

rccaulfield

lynski wrote: »

BTW you do know that now your child can't get out, even when they turn 18, the RCC has us all for life now.

Not true as said elsewhere- www.countmeout.ie In fairness if you want to bring your kids to that kind of made up stuff every week then you should be able to sit in it yourself for a day. Our morals are integral in our nature and can be confirmed by our parents teachings. The bible stole our morals obviously and gave us some rather strange ones in addition- eg thou shalt not think about xy and z? Your kids may hate you in the long run, theres no excuse these days its not compulsory we have a choice. Lying to children about the BIG questions is tantamount to child abuse.

FoxT

I was afraid there for a while that I was the worst & only 'hypocrite' in the country .

I agree with earlier posters about the 18 years age limit. It is arbitrary and may very well lead to unintended consequences. However, my wife & I did not make that decision in isolation, we talked through the whole thing & this is part of the overall solution that we came up with.

Even though I am a non-religious person myself, I think that religious education for children is not a bad thing, and may possibly be a good thing. There is a certain amount of humbug, but it does include sound social teaching about sharing, telling the truth, respecting others etc. Of course that is neither strictly necessary nor solely sufficient for a child's moral development, but I think it may perhaps reinforce it.

Due to limited availability of choices, for many families engaging with the RCC is a matter of convenience/path of least resistance/ accessibility to better schools/ fear of a child feeling left out or isolated/ etc.

For me these 'convenience' factors loomed large in our family decision. For my wife, it would have had much more to do with culture/conviction.

I could, perhaps, have insisted on our children not being baptised etc., but that would have left no room for my wife's beliefs.

I could steadfastly refuse to attend all masses & religious services.In fact, I attend very few. The occasional wedding/funeral, and mass with the family on Christmas day ( which all present understand is a gesture of solidarity with them on my part , and not done out of religious conviction). To not attend my child's holy communion would be bloody-minded on my part.

So, while nobody likes being called a hypocrite, I may well be engaging in hypocritical behaviour when I turn up at mass for my childs first communion/confirmation/ whatever. I don't believe I am though.

- FoxT

metrovelvet

FoxT wrote: »

I was afraid there for a while that I was the worst & only 'hypocrite' in the country .

I agree with earlier posters about the 18 years age limit. It is arbitrary and may very well lead to unintended consequences. However, my wife & I did not make that decision in isolation, we talked through the whole thing & this is part of the overall solution that we came up with.

Even though I am a non-religious person myself, I think that religious education for children is not a bad thing, and may possibly be a good thing. There is a certain amount of humbug, but it does include sound social teaching about sharing, telling the truth, respecting others etc. Of course that is neither strictly necessary nor solely sufficient for a child's moral development, but I think it may perhaps reinforce it.

Due to limited availability of choices, for many families engaging with the RCC is a matter of convenience/path of least resistance/ accessibility to better schools/ fear of a child feeling left out or isolated/ etc.

For me these 'convenience' factors loomed large in our family decision. For my wife, it would have had much more to do with culture/conviction.

I could, perhaps, have insisted on our children not being baptised etc., but that would have left no room for my wife's beliefs.

I could steadfastly refuse to attend all masses & religious services.In fact, I attend very few. The occasional wedding/funeral, and mass with the family on Christmas day ( which all present understand is a gesture of solidarity with them on my part , and not done out of religious conviction). To not attend my child's holy communion would be bloody-minded on my part.

So, while nobody likes being called a hypocrite, I may well be engaging in hypocritical behaviour when I turn up at mass for my childs first communion/confirmation/ whatever. I don't believe I am though.

- FoxT

Im baffled as to why this weighs so heavily on people. I know people who grew up in mixed religions and celebrated hannukah and christmas, or had a catholic and protestant parent. Often both were recognised and, yes you can have a briss if I can have a christmas tree compromises were made.