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Why are Irish people so divided on the issue of Irish Republicanism?

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  • #52
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,743 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    I think one of the dynamics here that can't be ignored is a reactionary right wing dislike of the concept of rebellion and the empowerment that it gives ordinary folk. The Republican movement not only opposes British Imperialism, it opposes the crony capitalism and corruption endemic in the southern elite.

    Some of the people posting that the IRA are inhumae killers were loud cheerleaders for the destruction of Iraq, so it isn't really a human issue for a lot of them, even though thats often the tack. Its a 'shut up and do what you are told' issue, and Republicans refuse to do that, to the point of being a major and significant threat to the failed political and econonmic arrangment in the south, and thats to me a source of great deal of the hostility.

    While lining it's own pockets with money from illegal activities like drugs, extortion, smuggling etc


  • #53
    Permabear
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  • #54
    OhNoYouDidn't
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    Eliot Rosewater wrote: »
    Though the issue of the Irish language has been deemed off-topic (listermint, if you want to talk about it you can send me a PM) I feel I have to respond this comment.

    I'm not saying I am prevented from reading English literature, of course (though if I were living sixty years ago I would have been ;)). What I am saying is that my own choice of culture is not considered. The nationalist will step in and tell me about how Irish is my culture and about how I have a responsibility to learn it for fourteen years. I disagree, but that doesn't matter: I still have to learn it. Hence, my own opinion about what is a worthy cultural pursuit is not respected.

    (My initial phrasing was far less precise, and I apologise for that.)

    Fair enough, but I still take with a grain of salt that at any point in your education or since you have in any meaningful way had your choice in literature criticised or limited by anyone, let alone 'nationalists'.

    Republicans were heavily critical of the censorship board's farcical decisions over the years.


  • #55
    OhNoYouDidn't
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    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    While lining it's own pockets with money from illegal activities like drugs, extortion, smuggling etc

    Any actual evidence of this?


  • #56
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,743 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    Any actual evidence of this?

    Oh go take your head out of the sand or out of your hole or where ever it is


  • #57
    OhNoYouDidn't
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    donegalfella wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    I'm not including you in any of that to be fair. Much as I disagree with you on a number of issues, I think you are at least sincere and conciencious in your politics. The same can't be said for a number of other posters.


  • #58
    OhNoYouDidn't
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    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    Oh go take your head out of the sand or our of your hole or where ever it is

    Has ONE member of any varient of the IRA ever been arrested for drugs offences, never mind convicted?

    I'm under no illusions about them, but I have a keen bullshít detector too.


  • #59
    Eliot Rosewater
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭Eliot Rosewater


    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    Fair enough, but I still take with a grain of salt that at any point in your education or since you have in any meaningful way had your choice in literature criticised or limited by anyone, let alone 'nationalists'.

    I thought I clarified the point. I said my general choice of preferred culture wasn't fully respected. I don't like Irish as a cultural pursuit, yet I didn't have a choice in the matter.
    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    Republicans were heavily critical of the censorship board's farcical decisions over the years.

    Fair enough. :)


  • #60
    OhNoYouDidn't
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    Eliot Rosewater wrote: »
    I thought I clarified the point. I said my general choice of preferred culture wasn't fully respected. I don't like Irish as a cultural pursuit, yet I didn't have a choice in the matter.

    But it wasn't a 'cultural pursuit'. It was a school subject, and I wonder how much of your objection AT THE TIME was simply you didn't like it / weren't good at it?

    To me the broader the education the better, and if Irish is in that, I have no problem whatsoever. It is our native tongue etc.


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  • #61
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,216 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Eliot Rosewater wrote: »
    Though the issue of the Irish language has been deemed off-topic (listermint, if you want to talk about it you can send me a PM) I feel I have to respond this comment.

    I'm not saying I am prevented from reading English literature, of course (though if I were living sixty years ago I would have been ;)). What I am saying is that my own choice of culture is not considered. The nationalist will step in and tell me about how Irish is my culture and about how I have a responsibility to learn it for fourteen years. I disagree, but that doesn't matter: I still have to learn it. Hence, my own opinion about what is a worthy cultural pursuit is not respected.

    (My initial phrasing was far less precise, and I apologise for that.)

    to a new thread to continue the debate.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=68622924#post68622924


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