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Do MMA fans like professional wrestling.
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16-10-2010 4:29pm#1
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Devastator wrote: »Which is more for girls? I don't want to say what I prefer until ya tell me
i can only speak for myself but as a little boy i used to love the pro wrestling while girls liked soaps such as home and away, neighbours etc..
i know 1 girl who is a wwe fan so im sure there are plenty..Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.
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you've asked so i'll answer
Is it any worse than watching sweaty muscular half naked men fight for real? :pac:
well like i said each to their own, who am i to say which is 'worse'
....my only point was i can understand an 9yr old finding it fun....but how a grown up can watch guys pretend to slap each other, pretend to hate each other etc .....i just dont get it....but no judgement, each to their ownMMA just presents a better product at the moment
better 'product'? dont get that. the flashing lights, bells n whistles does nothing for me. its just the actual fighting im interested in.
Saying that the two have nothing in common is missing the big picture. Both at their heart are about building to a confrontation between two personalities who have a conflict to resolve.
glossing over the fact that in one scenario its fake/pre determined and in the other its 2 competitive athletes seeing who has the better fighting skills is missing the big picture imo.I know some people don't like to think of MMA as a promotional business and prefer to think of it as a pure sport
they would be naive imo. as soon as you are getting paid even 1 euro to compete then its not longer 'pure sport'...its entertainment.....however make no mistake the fighting is real and ultimately all that matters. you can have no personality not look the part etc etc....but if you keep winning you'll get to the top.if it weren't for the pushing of big personalities most of us wouldn't be watching MMA today because it wouldn't have reached the levels that it has
well i would...but i agree with your point.Any MMA fighter who has done pro wrestling (or the other way around) has invariably said that pro wrestling is tougher and harder on the body. I'm unaware of anyone with experience in both who has stated otherwise
i really dont get this point that is pushed by a lot of wrestling fans
so what?
most of the guys have serious problems with pain killers addiction because of the nature of pro wrestling.
but so what if its 'tougher' and leads to serious injury....if anything that makes the fascination with it even weirder for me. to enjoy watching men on a lot of various drugs pretend to fight and in the course of that get badly hurt...odd.There are many former pro wrestlers, guys who worked in the 50s, 60s, 70s, who say that MMA today is much closer to the pro wrestling of their days than pro wrestling today is
pretend is pretend
real is realSaying that MMA and pro wrestling are as different as MMA and soap operas is ignoring basic facts like all but three of UFC's heavyweight champions have done pro wrestling.
not sure what your point is? all have them have (real) wrestling backgrounds too....which do you think helped them become UFC champion more? throwing somebody into the ropes and catching them with a clothes line or practicing single leg takedowns?It's ignoring that MMA in Japan was built upon pro wrestling. Actually, not just built upon, but promoted as such and achieved it's greatest heights because of pro wrestling. Saying otherwise is either being ignorant of the facts or refusing to accept them
yeah thats true...not sure what it has to do with anything? i dont think i'll ever understand how grown ups can watch WWE and get excited about men pretending to hit each other in pre determined matches
just to clarify im not saying one is better than the other, just saying i dont get it...but each to their own 0 -
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Chaotic_Forces wrote: »I know you were quoting someone else hence the "..." but come on: a slap in the chest off a 300lb bloke, a slam through a table and a lot more will hurt more since you have less adrenaline in a scripted match.
Wrestlers generally get told "you win, you get the advantage and then the other guy suddenly gets a burst of energy". That can be as simple as to 6ft 200lb guys to something as body wrenching as 400lbs vs 150lbs. imagine being picked up and thrown through tables, against the ground (not padded, it does happen a lot without padded ground) and so on.
It might be "wow, that's amazing" when I'm 10 years old but 10 years later+ and I thing "the Hell did he get up from that".
i genuinely have no idea what your point is?
is it that because they are getting hurt or its painful its good?
somebody repeatedly smacking themselves in the face with a hammer would be damaging and sore...some might even think they are 'tough'....but i wouldnt have any interest in watching itChaotic_Forces wrote: »
It might be "wow, that's amazing" when I'm 10 years old but 10 years later+ and I thing "the Hell did he get up from that".
for me it was the same at 10yrs old...10yrs later i was wondering why any grown would want to see someone do that0 -
SBG Ireland wrote: »i genuinely have no idea what your point is?
is it that because they are getting hurt or its painful its good?
somebody repeatedly smacking themselves in the face with a hammer would be damaging and sore...some might even think they are 'tough'....but i wouldnt have any interest in watching it
for me it was the same at 10yrs old...10yrs later i was wondering why any grown would want to see someone do that
It's moreso out of entermaint really. I mean it's just a kind of... "the Hell do you do that" daily. Think of the fights Lesnar had in the UFC; compare it to him in the WWE (Pro Wrestling). It was less than 100 fights in over two years at least.
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Chaotic_Forces wrote: »It's moreso out of entermaint really. I mean it's just a kind of... "the Hell do you do that" daily.
are you wondering 'how the hell do they put their bodies through that kind of punishment on a daily basis?
well the answer is probably they deal with a lot of injuries and take pretty serious amounts of pain killers
...but....so what? working in a mine is fairly hazardous i would imagine...doesnt make it interesting to me anywayChaotic_Forces wrote: »Think of the fights Lesnar had in the UFC; compare it to him in the WWE (Pro Wrestling). It was less than 100 fights in over two years at least.
that really doesnt make any sense to me?
are you stating that lesnar could do a lot more pretend fights than real ones? thats true...whats your point?Chaotic_Forces wrote: »
Now do you see my point?
im not interested in seeing people get hurt
being 'tough' in a fake fight doesnt impress me
i just dont get grown ups watching pretend fighting...but again i'll say each to their own, if watching someone getting put through a table is your thing then rock on
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SBG Ireland wrote: »are you wondering 'how the hell do they put their bodies through that kind of punishment on a daily basis?
well the answer is probably they deal with a lot of injuries and take pretty serious amounts of pain killers
...but....so what? working in a mine is fairly hazardous i would imagine...doesnt make it interesting to me anyway
that really doesnt make any sense to me?
are you stating that lesnar could do a lot more pretend fights than real ones? thats true...whats your point?
im not interested in seeing people get hurt
being 'tough' in a fake fight doesnt impress me
i just dont get grown ups watching pretend fighting...but again i'll say each to their own, if watching someone getting put through a table is your thing then rock on
now do you see my point?
One question: would you let a 5'10 bloke that's about 170lbs fight you or would you "wrestle" one bloke that's 6'5 and 400lbs in a "wrestling match" ?0 -
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But the current wwe champion is a pale ginger Irish man, go team Ireland :pac::rolleyes:
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chalk and cheese, better comparison would be coronation street and pro wrestling, both soaps but 1 more for girls and other for boysi can only speak for myself but as a little boy i used to love the pro wrestling while girls liked soaps such as home and away, neighbours etc..
i know 1 girl who is a wwe fan so im sure there are plenty..
How many more times are you going to insinuate that grown men shouldn't be watching pro wrestling? 0 -
SBG Ireland wrote: »....my only point was i can understand an 9yr old finding it fun....but how a grown up can watch guys pretend to slap each other, pretend to hate each other etc .....i just dont get it....but no judgement, each to their own
Do you feel the same way about acting? Do you look at a film like The Dark Knight and think, "I can understand how kids would enjoy it, but how can a grown man watch a guy in a bat costume pretend to fight a guy plastered in make up?". I've never understood why "pretend" is bad when it comes to pro wrestling but it's fine when it's literally anything else on tvSBG Ireland wrote: »better 'product'? dont get that. the flashing lights, bells n whistles does nothing for me. its just the actual fighting im interested in.
There was a time when I was the same. I would watch every single MMA event I could get my hands on. I'd usually post about them here too, often getting no replies because I was seemingly the only one watching them :pac: Same with pro wrestling, I'd watch everything from WWE, TNA, ROH, NOAH, and other various matches from Japan, Mexico and the US. Now I'm at a point where I just don't have that time, plus there are so many more MMA fights these days. So I have to pick and choose. UFC is presenting the best product right now. What I mean is that the stuff it puts out on tv has the most talented guys and it has the most interesting build up to fights. I can enjoy both MMA and pro wrestling, but right now what comes out of MMA is more entertaining to me. Nothing to do with flashing lightsSBG Ireland wrote: »glossing over the fact that in one scenario its fake/pre determined and in the other its 2 competitive athletes seeing who has the better fighting skills is missing the big picture imo.
For the fan, the premise is the very same. They'll pick one guy over the other, see them fight and one guy wins. Obviously the actual fighting is completely different, at least in the current form of pro wrestling (before we get onto UWFi and RINGS). But the way in which they hook fans is very similar. Another example of something that promotes itself in the same way that I know a lot here would be fond of is The Karate Kid. We get to know the kid (I'm so sorry, I've forgotten his name :pac:) and we get to like him. We don't like his opponent. We see them fight an exciting fight and our guy comes out the winner. That is the formula that both the MMA and pro wrestling industries are built upon. Without that there are a few people watching but nobody elseSBG Ireland wrote: »they would be naive imo. as soon as you are getting paid even 1 euro to compete then its not longer 'pure sport'...its entertainment.....however make no mistake the fighting is real and ultimately all that matters. you can have no personality not look the part etc etc....but if you keep winning you'll get to the top.
True, but you'll get to the top a lot quicker with a captivating personality and the understanding of how to promote yourself. Getting slightly off track here, but Mike Brown of the WEC, he was champion just one year ago. On the last show he fought in the prelims. I don't think that he's slipped at all in terms of skill, but one thing is for sure, he doesn't get the side of the business that I was talking about. Dave Meltzer has mentioned how he was backstage after Brown's title fight with Urijah Faber in Sacramento, Faber's hometown, and he was nearly in tears complaining about how the fans were booing him. Jens Pulver, who does understand that side of the game very well (the proof is in how much people still love him even though he's lost I think it's six straight fights), was explaining to him that it's a good thing, it means the people are reacting to him and that's what you want. That's something that MMA fighters can learn from pro wrestlers, the ability to connect with the audience, because sometimes that can matter just as much as your actual skills. I don't suggest learning from current WWE though, right now the UFC are the masters at getting people to connect with their fightersSBG Ireland wrote: »well i would...but i agree with your point.
I would too, just for the recordSBG Ireland wrote: »i really dont get this point that is pushed by a lot of wrestling fans
so what?
most of the guys have serious problems with pain killers addiction because of the nature of pro wrestling.
but so what if its 'tougher' and leads to serious injury....if anything that makes the fascination with it even weirder for me. to enjoy watching men on a lot of various drugs pretend to fight and in the course of that get badly hurt...odd.
I should have quoted an earlier post when I wrote that. It was one of the first posts, I was trying to give some evidence to what was said. I myself don't place any weight in which one is tougher and I cringe when I see pro wrestlers take unnecessary risks. I'm all too aware of the high death rate in pro wrestling and I do fear that MMA could end up with similar problems in 20 years timeSBG Ireland wrote: »not sure what your point is? all have them have (real) wrestling backgrounds too....which do you think helped them become UFC champion more? throwing somebody into the ropes and catching them with a clothes line or practicing single leg takedowns?
My point here was in reference to something cowzerp said about how MMA has as much in common with pro wrestling as soap operas. Clearly this can't be the case if so many top MMA fighters have done pro wrestling but none have done soap operas. I'm not suggesting that their pro wrestling skills (or lack thereof, most MMA fighters make dire pro wrestlers :pac:) helped them in MMA (except in cases of guys who came from UWFi and RINGS, guys like Shamrock, Funaki, Tamura, etc.). What I am saying is that they do have something in common, a huge amount of guys who have done bothSBG Ireland wrote: »yeah thats true...not sure what it has to do with anything? i dont think i'll ever understand how grown ups can watch WWE and get excited about men pretending to hit each other in pre determined matches
I'm glad that you're not denying how PRIDE was built upon pro wrestling. I remember cowzerp's reaction to that suggestion last time, even when bombarded with the facts. The Japanese fans don't distinguish between fake and real. To them everything is marketed as pro wrestling, but they obviously do know when fights are real and when they're fake. But it doesn't matter to them
I'm not trying to claim that they're the very same. But there are a lot more similarities in them than some people realise0 -
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Mr. Loverman wrote: »But he likes "true athletes" and "honest fighters".
UFC don't have anyone like that! You can only find them in hotels.
Brock Lesnar laughs at the idea of fighting in a hotel0 -
But the current wwe champion is a pale ginger Irish man, go team Ireland :pac::rolleyes:
And they say there's no Irish heavyweights!0 -
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The other day WWE was on so I watched it.
This is what I found happening:
I admired their physiques (lots of hard work to get that sort of muscle and visible abs)
I found the off-ring drama quite funny
I thought it had pretty high production value
But the lack of violence made me switch over.
I'd probably watch it if they got rid of the wrestling and just made it some kind of weird drama about dudes who take steroids. 0 -
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