Rooney not signing a new contract?

I wouldn't be taking Paul Merson's word as gospel.

He isn't the brightest chap at the best of times.

recylingbin

smodgley wrote: »

his poor form in the WC was because he knew the poop was about to hit the fan in his private life, i do believe there is some truth in what merson has just said in SSN and that he was tapped up, why would you want to leave the biggest club in the world ? DOUBLE YOUR WAGES IS WHY (IMO)

He isn't playing for Real.
There would be some poetic justice if he has been tapped up.

As to why he wants to leave, maybe he's looked around him and saw Michael Carrick standing in the same colour shirt and has realised the writing is on the wall.
Or maybe he went back to the dressing room and while putting something into his kitbag, he found that one of his new team-mates had moved in.

recylingbin

Fuhrer wrote: »

Can you even count

I can.
Can you?

MisterAnarchy

rarnes1 wrote: »

I wouldn't be taking Paul Merson's word as gospel.

He isn't the brightest chap at the best of times.

Last season he was saying that Van Persie was better than Messi .:rolleyes:

Fuhrer

recylingbin wrote: »

I can.
Can you?

Oh you can? Thats good, maybe you should use the ability then.

recylingbin

Fuhrer wrote: »

Oh you can? Thats good, maybe you should use the ability then.

I did.
You named a host of Ipswich players of the future and Macheda.
Macheda is not good enough for a top team.

That is what I'm saying about the youth development. It's good to keep a few quid coming in, but it's not producing players who will make the first team.


addendum: and if I remember correctly, Macheda didn't come through the man utd youth system. Though I'm open to correction on that.

Fuhrer

recylingbin wrote: »

I did.
You named a host of Ipswich players of the future and Macheda.
Macheda is not good enough for a top team.

That is what I'm saying about the youth development. It's good to keep a few quid coming in, but it's not producing players who will make the first team.

Apparently you cant even read either.

Show me the post were I named said players.

Mars Bar

recylingbin wrote: »

I did.
You named a host of Ipswich players of the future and Macheda.
Macheda is not good enough for a top team.

That is what I'm saying about the youth development. It's good to keep a few quid coming in, but it's not producing players who will make the first team.


addendum: and if I remember correctly, Macheda didn't come through the man utd youth system. Though I'm open to correction on that.

I named them, not Fuhrer.

I have high hopes for Cleverley, I think you may be right about Macheda not being a true youth developed by United but that's not to say we didn't give him what he needs to really step up. He's gonna be a cracking player.

Do you watch the United reserves or U18's?!

recylingbin

Fuhrer wrote: »

Apparently you cant even read either.

Show me the post were I named said players.

Mars Bar named them, then you picked up the baton. My apologies to you, I slipped up on your tears of vitriol/

Fuhrer

Fuhrer wrote: »

Can you even count

Fuhrer wrote: »

Apparently you cant even read either.

Ugh

BERBA

did vidic sign a long term deal this year? if rooney does go then you'd have to wonder about the better players that are left , will they become restless?

Fuhrer

recylingbin wrote: »

Mars Bar named them, then you picked up the baton. My apologies to you, I slipped up on your tears of vitriol/

You sure you slipped up? Maybe you lack the ability to simply put one foot in front of the other and walk, the evidence would suggest it.

Mister men

smodgley wrote: »

his poor form in the WC was because he knew the poop was about to hit the fan in his private life, i do believe there is some truth in what merson has just said in SSN and that he was tapped up, why would you want to leave the biggest club in the world ? DOUBLE YOUR WAGES IS WHY (IMO)

Top player wants to double his wages shocker from Merson.

MisterAnarchy

This whole thing stinks to high heaven.
On the back of his most successful season goals wise and performance wise Rooney decides that he wants to leave the club .
He won the Premiership player of the year and was voted the third best player in the world and had his best goals tally.
He is at one of the biggest clubs in the world ,certainly top 5 and it held in high regard by the fans .
Why would he choose to leave especially when the only bigger teams in World football dont really have any interst in him (Barca,Real,Chelsea) unlike Ronaldo who Real moved heaven and earth to sign.
It can only come down to one thing and one thing only,money ,the root of all evil.
Perhaps Rooney decided he should be the highest paid player at Utd (which he should ) and decided to play hard ball to get it.
He calls Utds bluff by saying he wont sign an extension to his contract ,he still has nearly 2 years left to run .
Somewhere along the line things have gotten out of control though and the contract negotiation strategy seems to have spiralled out of control into outright war.

recylingbin

mars bar wrote: »

I named them, not Fuhrer.

I have high hopes for Cleverley, I think you may be right about Macheda not being a true youth developed by United but that's not to say we didn't give him what he needs to really step up. He's gonna be a cracking player.

Do you watch the United reserves or U18's?!

Macheda will never be a cracking player.
He'll be a good sub, that's about it.

You can have all the hopes you want for Cleverly, but that won't make him a top player. He'll be at Ipswich, or whatever club Roy Keane is managing , in 4 years.

Mars Bar

BERBA wrote: »

did vidic sign a long term deal this year? if rooney does go then you'd have to wonder about the better players that are left , will they become restless?

Yeah, 4 years.

Mister men

BERBA wrote: »

any one think that NESV might throw all their eggs in one basket and make rooney their marque signing in Jan , Rooney would really hack old fergie off then.

God i hope not. Don't want him at the club tbh.

recylingbin

Fuhrer wrote: »

You sure you slipped up? Maybe you lack the ability to simply put one foot in front of the other and walk, the evidence would suggest it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHOf3s70w-c

davyjose

Mister men wrote: »

God i hope not. Don't want him at the club tbh.

Yeah, you guys are doing just fine without him.

Fuhrer

recylingbin wrote: »

Childish video

You get bullied a lot in school, dont you?

recylingbin

Fuhrer wrote: »

You get bullied a lot in school, dont you?

Don't let it worry your little head.
Now run along.

Mister men

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

I wonder has the ankle injury Rooney picked up against Bayern in the away leg any bearing on Rooneys state of mind ?
Did Ferguson force him back too quickly for the second leg ,Rooney has been atrocious since that incident.
Perhaps Rooney blames Ferguson for rushing him back and his subsequent poor form in the World Cup.
Just a thought .

Nah i think people are'nt giving Rooney the credit here he deserves. Why would he want to stay at a club in decline on and to a huge extent off the pitch when he can double his wages at another club who are more likely to be challanging for honours in the near future. It's a no brainer for him.

Quazzie

Cop the **** on the two of ye and take the childish tit for tat to PM.

I'll gladly take the ban/infraction for back seat modding if it gets ye to stop ruining this thread with your childish and immature name calling crap.

Grow up the pair of ye!!

Fuhrer

recylingbin wrote: »

Don't let it worry your little head.
Now run along.

Im good, cheers.

starbelgrade

I wonder how many managers are now thinking... "All I want for Christmas is Roo"?

Fuhrer

Mister men wrote: »

Nah i think people are'nt giving Rooney the credit here he deserves. Why would he want to stay at a club in decline on and to a huge extent off the pitch when he can double his wages at another club who are more likely to be challanging for honours in the near future. It's a no brainer for him.

So, by your same logic its a no brainer for Torres to up and leave at the end of the season as well? And it a lesser extent, Fabregas should be packing his bags.

Mars Bar

recylingbin wrote: »

Macheda will never be a cracking player.
He'll be a good sub, that's about it.

You can have all the hopes you want for Cleverly, but that won't make him a top player. He'll be at Ipswich, or whatever club Roy Keane is managing , in 4 years.

Whatever, I have faith in our youth system.

BERBA

mars bar wrote: »

Whatever, I have faith in our youth system.

yeah but fans want success now not in 5 years time.

recylingbin

mars bar wrote: »

Whatever, I have faith in our youth system.

Grand.
No-one has come through it for years.
J Evans maybe, but he's not been looking the best.

keane2097

starbelgrade wrote: »

I wonder how many managers are now thinking... "All I want for Christmas is Roo"?

/unsubscribes

Probably posted already

http://www.epltalk.com/wayne-rooneys-welcome-to-manchester-billboard-picture-25739

Mister men

Fuhrer wrote: »

So, by your same logic its a no brainer for Torres to up and leave at the end of the season as well? And it a lesser extent, Fabregas should be packing his bags.

Tbh i'd accepted Torres will be going months ago. Can you blame him with the manager we have. Will the ownership situation change that? Who knows. Fabregas i'd say is in his final season with Arsenal.

elvis jones

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/9107918.stm

Just replace everton with utd

scudzilla

If Rooney doesn't wanna play for the best club in the world then he can fcuk off.

We don't need players who don't appreciate our club

In SAF we trust

Mister men

elvis jones wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/9107918.stm

Just replace everton with utd

Manchester Everton. Yuck.

BERBA

Mister men wrote: »

Tbh i'd accepted Torres will be going months ago. Can you blame him with the manager we have. Will the ownership situation change that? Who knows. Fabregas i'd say is in his final season with Arsenal.

Torres and Rooney will go to chelski and city ....who goes where?

Mister men

Guy i work with has gone from "I actually think he will do better then Ronaldo. Sure he isn't as technical but he makes the team better and his English mentality is the stuff that makes him a future captain and current legend" to now "I wish he'd **** off to City, never liked him as a player.:pac:
It's why i love football tbh.

davyjose

rarnes1 wrote: »

Probably posted already

http://www.epltalk.com/wayne-rooneys-welcome-to-manchester-billboard-picture-25739

Next time United advertise a picture of a player celebrating a city goal, I'll buy everyone here a pint. Whatever the colour they paint it!

Dont be at yourself

mars bar wrote: »

Cleverley and Macheda will become first team regulars I would imagine.

In time we'll see Pogba, Eikrem, Morrisson and Keane maybe? and King.

That's a pretty good return in my book.

=

PHB, 2005 wrote:

Just so I am very clear, I think the following players will make it into the United regular team, and deservedly so.

Bardesly
McShane
Pique
Spector
David Jones
Ronaldo
Rossi
Rooney

United are producing another golden generation

killwill

BERBA wrote: »

yeah but fans want success now not in 5 years time.

No at United it is all about long term. Not just this season. Noone is doubting that United are below their usual extremely high standard at the moment, even with Rooney in the side. Noone is doubting that United are financially in trouble at the moment so can't go out and buy 5 new world class players in January.
But very few United fans doubt that our troubles on the pitch are long term. We will find a Rooney successor either at the club or somewhere. We do have alot of youth coming true that are extremely promising. And we do have the most successful PL club with the best manager to get us through these tough times.

Mister men

BERBA wrote: »

Torres and Rooney will go to chelski and city ....who goes where?

Torres most likely to Inter or so it's been rumoured and Rooney to City seems to be nailed on. Chelsea would have to offer us a ****load of cash for Torres to keep him in England i'd say most likely in excess of 70m.

Mister men

killwill wrote: »

No at United it is all about long term. Not just this season. Noone is doubting that United are below their usual extremely high standard at the moment, even with Rooney in the side. Noone is doubting that United are financially in trouble at the moment so can't go out and buy 5 new world class players in January.
But very few United fans doubt that our troubles on the pitch are long term. We will find a Rooney successor either at the club or somewhere. We do have alot of youth coming true that are extremely promising. And we do have the most successful PL club with the best manager to get us through these tough times.

Do you think fergie will be around in five years time?

Dont be at yourself

Mister men wrote: »

Torres most likely to Inter or so it's been rumoured and Rooney to City seems to be nailed on. Chelsea would have to offer us a ****load of cash for Torres to keep him in England i'd say most likely in excess of 70m.

Inter have Eto'o and Milito, they don't need Torres.

Mars Bar

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

=

3 players made it on the big stage from that list. Pity we couldn't have held on to Pique.

Here's hoping I get luckier than PHB!

GiftofGab

Utd will struggle to make the top 3 this season. As a liverppol fan I can (happily) say that Rooney is a traitor. Too big headed to make peace and let Baygons be baygons. Football needs managers like Fergie to give players a good kick up the ar$e, settle them down and just focus on football, not this high rolling celebrity life. Rooney you made a very bad decision leaving utd.

3hn2givr7mx1sc

elvis jones wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/9107918.stm

Just replace everton with utd

Silks at 1.24.:pac:

CoalBucket

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

Inter have Eto'o and Milito, they don't need Torres.

With the form both Rooney and Torres are showing at the moment they would be lucky to get a game with Shamrock Rovers

killwill

recylingbin wrote: »

No, apparently they've known since August.

Yes I am well aware they know since the 14th August, what is your point?

Dont be at yourself

mars bar wrote: »

3 players made it on the big stage from that list. Pity we couldn't have held on to Pique.

Here's hoping I get luckier than PHB!

Pique, Rooney and Ronaldo? None of them were products of the academy, though...

None of the big English academies are producing players like they used to. Dunno if that's down to the 90 minute rule, lack of investment or an increase in foreign players, but I reckon it will be a long time before we see another "golden generation" emerge from an English academy.

Pro. F

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

I have been watching him play week in week out for the last 6 years and I have always thought his first touch was his weakest attribute.
His touch is poor for a player supposedly in the top 3 in Europe.
He has 2 good feet,is strong on the ball ,reads the ball very well and is a good passer.
He doenst have much pace though and is a poor dribbler.


He is far from a perfect centre forward and his international and club scoring record would prove that.
If he is marked tightly by a fast centre back ,he will most likely get frustrated and lash out .
Rooney isnt a player who can create space for himself in a match ,he doesnt have the pace or trickery to do that.

His first touch is top quality. I'm amazed that such a big football fan can be so clueless.
As I said his goalscoring only properly came good last season so his career record wouldn't be that special yet. 34 goals a season not enough for you?
Rooney is very good at finding space for himself. His dribbling isn't great as you say and he lacks pace but his close control and his movement mean that he gets all the space he needs to score and assist.
Rooney's firey temper is a problem but it still doesn't stop him being a great centre forward.

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

I cant agree with that ,Utd have become very negative in away CL matches,Valencia this season ,Bayern last season (bar the opening 15 mins) ,they resemble Liverpool under Benitez in away matches.

United have been way less negative than they used to be when Ronaldo was around. The problem is the lack of quality in cm to implement the new plan. There were many boring, both teams being half arsed, early round CL games like the one against Valencia back in the days of United playing attacking football in the CL. It's what happens in the important games that matters. In the Bayern game after the first spell we were played off the park and went a man down.

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

On the flip side there are alot of Utd fanboys on here and EPL lovers on here who cant see a footballing world past Dover .
They base their opinions of foreign teams and players most likely on a few Champions league viewings per season.
There is a football world outside the circus that the Sun,Sky Sports News and the British and Irish media peddle every day.

Rooney is overated but perhaps then again so are 90% of footballers .
Anyway enough talk ,I must watch some ball.

Just because there are some idiots who overrate the PL doesn't mean that the idiots who underrate it are any less idiotic.